Azarenka cheated against Stephens?

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Did Azarenka cheat?

  1. Yes she cheated, she knew Stephens might catch up

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  2. No she did not cheat, it was an emergency

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  1. Francis27

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    An article via (Yahoo!)

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/te...y-azarenka-cheated-tennis-163407592--ten.html

    In the video of that article basically Azarenka admitted that she left the court because she was falling apart mentally and needed a minute to recoup. Saying she could not breathe and needed some time. This would be the equivalent of a quarterback driving down the field in the AFC Championship, tied game, and calling a 10 minute timeout because he wasn't sure he could handle the moment.

    How many of you agree that she took the time out to settle down a bit or it was an emergency?
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    It was all gamesmanship. She was choking and needed some time off the court to settle her nerves.
     
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  3. woodrow1029

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    How many agree that all 5,000 of these threads should be merged?
     
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  4. jaydog23

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    Sure, she 'cheated' by our standards, but we have to realize that timeouts should be equivalent to injury breaks because it's not only in tennis that one occurs when we think it's the other. Football, basketball, what have you, the truth is a person becomes a jerk by saying "I don't believe your head is actually hurting right now; keep playing, or you'll forfeit." Maybe tennis hate the idea of an opponent being able to take a fatigue break (I know, a five minute break in a psychological one-on-one sport can make a big difference), but even if she were injured she'd be getting in addition to medical attention some time to think about the game. It's not like she got a longer break because she wasn't injured. Stephens should have done the same thing herself once or twice if you want my honest opinion. I think it should be three breaks amounting to a total maximum of 15 minutes, and not more than a total of 8 minutes can be taken within a span of less than, say, five games.
     
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  5. t135

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    Too bad. Stephens will get her chance
     
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  6. tacou

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    That's absurd. If you take a medical time out and are still injured afterwards, either retire or play through injury. What is the point of conditioning and being a mentally strong competitor if the opponent can repeatedly pause the match?
     
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  7. veroniquem

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    Given the agitation that this thing triggered on the board, I decided to rewind my taping of the match and watch the relevant parts again.

    1- Azarenka did tweak something in her leg during the match. It was plain to see for everyone and Shriver and co commented on it.
    2- Aza did have an exchange about breathing difficulties with the trainer and Shriver said that she suspected it was a rib (that was before Aza's own comments on it)
    3- The commentators didn't blame Aza at that point (Aza was not breaking any rule, she was entitled to the time out). They even hinted that Aza was rattled and that it was a great opportunity for Stephens.
    4- Sloane herself didn't show any annoyance or outrage (that TV cameras captured at least). It was something like 105 degrees out there. The kind of excruciating conditions when a few extra minutes in the shade could be felt as a bit of a relief
    5- When play started again (everybody was calm including commentators and players ), there was no distinct difference between this game and Sloane's other service games. Sloane can't have been too traumatized by the break because she had a game point for 5-5. She failed to convert (like she had in numerous previous service games) by hitting a passing shot out.
    6- The match ended without incident, players shook hands at the net. Sloane had lost her service game exactly the same way she had lost it the other x times in the match- after having opportunities to win it- and the outcome was not exactly surprising.
    7- AFTER Sloane's loss, the American commentators (fishing for excuses) suddenly started making a bigger deal of the injury break.
    8- During on court interview, Aza (whose 1st language is not English BTW), to a question about her leaving the court replies she was nervous, couldn't breathe and didn't want to lose the match and fails to mention her leg. And BOOM it's on that basis alone that all hell breaks loose. It is interpreted as a shameless admission of cheating, a bunch of people (who mostly hated Aza beforehand and would pounce on any opportunity to trash her) scream "scandal" and Aza is the biggest monster around since Jack the Ripper.


    Excuse me folks but in terms of "storm in a tea cup" this is WAY out there. What did she do??? She took a time out she was allowed to take and she answered a journalist's question awkwardly. That's IT. You want me to give you a list of players who took MTOs (long or short, for reasons obvious or not) during a match in the last few months ? Male or female? Before opponent's serve? Oh no you don't. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary happened in this match. The most hilarious is that if Sloane had converted that game point for 5-5 and had proceeded to win the set, no one would have given a fig about the MTO. It only mattered because Stephens happened to lose. That shows to what considerable lengths sore losers will go to blame a loss on something else than their fav player's game or lack of.
     
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  8. Mike Sams

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    :lol: :lol: Renka-****!
     
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  9. Polaris

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    Sounds reasonable enough to me. I'm inclined to agree with your assessment of the situation.
     
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  10. Leelord337

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    The more I see of Azarenka the less I like her. Its not only that she abused the medical time out rule to slow the momentum of the match...but she also has had one of the most annoying people in her box the past 2 weeks..Red Foo from LMFAO, lol. She's not a class act and I guess the way she abused the rule in that match suits her character as a person. It'll always be a tainted win if she wins the AO much the same as Gonzo's bronze medal against Blake in 2008 when he claimed the ball didn't hit him (which clearly did in the replay) that gave him match points.
     
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  11. roysid

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    Just 1 point:

    Last year during Doha tournament, radwanska accused Azarenka of faking injuries to take break and compose herself. After that they don't see eye to eye.

    So it's not 1st time that Azarenka did this.
     
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  12. emilyhex

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    Veronique, I don't buy your argument. You seem to imply it's circumstantial that Azarenka had wasted 5 match points when she called the medical timeout. I think our suspicions are reasonable she needed a psychological timeout versus some purely physically that was wrong. It's hardly a stretch of our imagination to think her breathing problems were perhaps attributed to hyperventilating over the fact she gave up 5 match points and the big baby hates to lose. She told us she hates to lose. And she lacks the maturity to lose gracefully when it happens (even just one set!!), which even at her level is part of the game. Serena also falls in this camp, another big baby racquet smasher. The last time Serena lost was in Cincy and she trashed another racquet.

    There's no need to further minimize the situation by placing the blame on the commentators. They were only doing their job, which is to speculate to no end before, during, and after the match. That's how they get paid. I think they were very fair to Azarenka and gave her alleged injuries a fair shake as to their legitimacy. Hey, I've heard Azarenka talk to the English-speaking press on numerous occasions, she's not a complete doofus. She is usually pretty competent in English.

    I agree that Sloane didn't lose the entire match due to that one game. And these "medical timeouts" are a part of the game. But, the gravity of this particular game, and the fact that she was gaining momentum, makes it more unfair. And as a spectator, I like seeing a good match, and this was a huge letdown.

    But it's over and done with, the tournament officials are the only judges that matter. Azarenka won the match and Sloane will have other opportunities. The fans have spoken: win for Vika and huge loss for Sloane and the spectators.
     
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  13. volleygirl

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    I agree totally and dont understand why some people are whining that this is only a big issue because the girl who got "screwed" was an American. I would feel the exact same way if Sloane had pulled a BS move to try and upset Azarenka.
     
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  14. volleygirl

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    Yea and she refused to shake Azarenkas hand at the end of that match. They were good friends before that match and I have heard that has changed since then.
     
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  15. Emet74

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    Yep I agree as well; I suspended judgement until I saw the full match in replay late last night and I saw what you did.

    Maybe an explanation for Vika's awkward initial interviews was her instinct to minimize any injury issue given that she's still got the final to play? Seems like the back issue has been bothering her for a few days now.
     
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  16. pjonesy

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    Well, it certainly was gamesmanship at its finest. This specific manipulation of the rules is different than the masters of the past. But it's in the same spirit. Connors, Mcenroe, Lendl, Nastase etc. They pulled this kind of garbage all the time to break momentum, recover or just annoy their opponent. Not a huge deal, IMO. Just typical gamesmanship. If they changed the rules to stop this kind of stuff, players would just have to be more creative, at how they can disrupt play.
     
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  17. Relinquis

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    it was games(wo)manship for sure, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Azarenka was the better player on the day.
     
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  18. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    True.

    Well said. Post of the month, as this gaggle on the Stephens bandwagon invested all of their hope into a "Williams killer" (nevermind that SW was injured since RD1), but the only way to justify their agenda was to hope that she would get past Azerenka. Even halfway through set 1, it was clear which player posessed the greater ability, and her name was not Stephens. So, the moment her cheerleaders believed the tides were turning in Stephens' favor, anything--including a legitimate MTO--must be a lie, gamesmanship or flat out cheating, when anyone watching azarenka realized something was not quite right.

    Now, we have arrived at the fork in the road:

    Path A will reveal some keeping the "cheating" fantasy going if Stephens fails to win another big match/.

    Path B will reveal how quick some will abandon her after a few months, when her purpose (defeating an injured player/the object of their hatred) is no longer possible to maintain, so she will be kicked to the curb in the same manner as Oudin. by the end of 2009.
     
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  19. jaydog23

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    My whole point is that you can't actually tell what is/isn't a true "medical time out." Also, with regard to your question about what the point of conditioning is, how is the situation different when someone DOES take a true medical time out; the 'injured' person is still getting a break even if he just has an eyelash in his eye.... Finally, if by "repeatedly" you mean three times maximum in a match that could easily last three hours, then that's a repeatedly I'm willing to take. Conditioning and endurance definitely help in tennis, but don't for a second compare it to something like cross country or cycling. It doesn't have to the exact system I suggested; I just think it's time to stop pretending that every one is a good sport (Lance Armstrong...) and will only take injury timeouts when injured; by the way, how would you account for differences in pain tolerance? These are all issues that I think support the admission that injury timeouts should just be timeouts.
     
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  20. sureshs

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    If the umpire allows it, it is not cheating.
     
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  21. jokinla

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    Of course she cheated, initially she took a rib/knee timeout, then in 2 post match interviews she said it was breathing/choking, and then 90 minutes later in the press room, after her team told her how awful the situation was, she says she misunderstood the question, not once but twice, and that her back was causing the problem.
    If you believe that this mto was legit, then I've got a fantastic piece of property for sale that I'd like you to consider purchasing, if you could just send your banking info via email or text, and I will immediately send you the details, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.
     
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  22. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    what part of:

    ..do you have difficulty understanding? The umpires and every other official did not take any action against her, as she did not commit any act considered illegal/cheating, etc. That is the fact of the match. You--and the rest of the TW teary-eyed set--can go on and on about it, but know this: Stephens and Azarenka were not good enough to outplay Azarenka.

    Even on their best day, they are not known for grand performances, so let's not keep inhaling certain fumes which leads to the notion of "cheating" or a final where Azarenka would not overcome Li Na. The idea of Li Na beating her that day is comedy gold.
     
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  23. pvaudio

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    Want some yeast? Might help with how dense you are.
     
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  24. TMF

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    Based on the poll results, 90% of the people believe that she cheated.

    I'm glad I'm not one of the minority. Integrity >>>>>>> dishonest
     
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  25. jokinla

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    Azarenka outplaying Azarenka is what I have difficulty understanding.

    And you forgot to leave your banking info, we can do it in private if you want, I can understand you not wanting to make it public.
     
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  26. NLBwell

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    If she cheated, how did she do it?
    She said she had problems breathing - I don't see that as an indication of cheating.
    Everything she did was permitted by the rules.
    The staff evaluated her and decided on proper treatment, then administered the treatment they thought appropriate.
    If you don't like it, lobby the tour to change the rules.
     
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  27. ivan_the_terrible

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    The '80s called, they want their Betamax back.
     
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    OJ didn't do it.
    Neither did Lance Armstrong & Marion Jones.

    Your logic = fail
     
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  29. NLBwell

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    All of your above examples ended up being punished in some fashion for their misdeeds.
    Also, the acts they were accused of doing were illegal and/or against the rules and so were hidden. Nothing Azarenka did is even being accused of being against the rules and nothing is hidden.

    Yes, the rules are silly and probably need reforming.
     
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    Before I say the bulk of what I want to, I would just like to confess, I do not know if Azarenka was actually cheating or not, so I guess I retract my initial statement. Now:

    This is foolish and does not provide any evidence whatsoever. The truth is we don't know for whom the timeout was an opportunity, and you never can.... That's why medical timeouts make no sense. It's simply too hard to know what sort of effect they might have on the match, while they advertise a very specific goal: to assess an injury and fix it if possible, no more, no less. Gamesmanship is the key word here, my friends. As another user had already stated, breaking momentum is nothing new. Many of the greats have done it, and people will continue to do so. We might as well just give them their timeouts and warn them that if they're actually injured they might want to still have some time saved up. Too many discrepancies exist between injuries; (I've repeated this) pain tolerance, who benefits more from a break... these are things that make it impossible to have a litmus test for whether or not someone can take an injury timeout. What if you're dehydrated? What if you have an eyelash in your eye? There's no way we can all agree on these scenarios, and even if we can no one is exactly the same as another.
     
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    Once again, the umpires and every other official did not take any action against her, as she did not commit any act considered illegal/cheating, etc. That is the fact of the match. You--and the rest of the TW teary-eyed set--can go on and on about it, but know this: Stephens and Azarenka were not good enough to outplay Azarenka.

    But you keep on crying if that makes you and this little TW pity party feel good. Meanwhile, the real world--the official world of tennis accepts the results of the AO which concludes Azarenka did not do anything wrong, and handed both Stephens and Li Na their walking papers with superior skill.

    Need Kleenex?
     
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    So, you base your opinions on emotionalism, not the conclusions of fact, law or the officials.

    Any wonder why the world does not work that way?
     
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  33. bluetrain4

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    The poll options are a bit misleading. It didn't necessarily have to be an emergency for it not to be cheating.

    Anyway, I don't think it was cheating, and I'm no big Azarenka fan. Gamesmanship, maybe. But not cheating. If she was being completely honest after the match about taking the break for nerves, its certainly not the classiest thing to do, but still, not cheating. I really don't know what happened. She seemd to cite her rib and ankle or some other body part to get the timeouts, then later referred to not being able to breathe and nervousness. Her wanting a break could have simply overlapped with legit medical issues, such that while she didn't absolutely need to take an MTO, there were real medical issues present, so why not?

    I was rooting for Stephens, or at the very least, rooting for a longer match, but, even with her saving 5 match points, didn't see her coming all the way back (though admittedly I can't be sure of that). Azarenka was outplaying her for the most part, and Sloane never really stopped spraying balls, though she hit some timely winners when he was down.

    Sure, I would have liked to have seen what Azarenka would have done without taking a break. But, whatever. That's tennis. Sloane has to learn to deal with such situations - it happens.
     
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    Taking 2 time outs totaling 10 minutes is NOT permitted by the rules. The fact that the spineless officials allowed it does not change the fact that the rules were broken.
     
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    TAKING 2 TIMEOUTS TOTALING 10 MINUTES IS PERMITTED BY THE RULES!! I think I have already corrected you on that once, but maybe it was someone else.
     
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  36. dafinch

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    Doesn't look like it is permitted to me: http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2013/01/injury-timeouts-tennis

    "Tennis players are allowed to request medical timeouts for non-acute injuries at changes of end, or between sets. Once their injury has been diagnosed, they are then allowed three minutes of treatment. (A player cannot have two timeouts for the same injury during a match.) By contrast, timeouts for “acute” injuries requiring immediate assistance (such as falling during a rally and twisting an ankle, as Li Na did twice during the final) are permitted at any time."

    YOUR move...
     
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  37. woodrow1029

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    Ok. My move. I like it when it's my move. You're picking the wrong poster to get into an argument over what the rules are, by the way. LOL. :) But I will make sure I highlight all of the relevant parts, so you can skim through and find out where you are wrong. My recommendation, is that people actually research the rules themselves, or ask someone who knows the rules, before reading it from an article that is usually written by someone that doesn't know anything about tennis, or written by someone who thinks that the WTA, ATP and ITF Grand Slam rules all apply interchangably, or are just clueless in general (but I'm not talking about Bodo, right now). From the 2013 ITF Grand Slam Rulebook:

    b.
    Medical Evaluation
    During the warm-up or the match, the player may request through the
    Chair Umpire for the Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer to evaluate
    him/her during the next change over or set break. Only in the case that
    a player develops an acute medical condition that necessitates an
    immediate stop in play may the player request through the Chair
    Umpire for the Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer to evaluate him/her
    immediately.

    The purpose of the medical evaluation is to determine if the player has
    developed a treatable medical condition and, if so, to determine when
    medical treatment is warranted. Such evaluation should be performed
    within a reasonable length of time, balancing player safety on the one
    hand, and continuous play on the other. At the discretion of the
    Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer, such evaluation may be performed in
    conjunction with the Tournament Doctor, and may be performed offcourt.


    c.
    Medical Time-Out
    A Medical Time-Out is allowed by the Referee in consultation with
    the Grand Slam Supervisor or Chair Umpire when the
    Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer has evaluated the player and has
    determined that additional time for medical treatment is required. The
    Medical Time-Out takes place during a change over or set break,
    unless the Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer determines that the player
    has developed an acute medical condition that requires immediate
    medical treatment.
    The Medical Time-Out begins when the Physiotherapist/Athletic
    Trainer is ready to start treatment. At the discretion of the
    Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer, treatment during a Medical Time-Out
    may take place off-court, and may proceed in conjunction with the
    Tournament Doctor. *

    The Medical Time-Out is limited to three (3) minutes of treatment.

    A player is allowed one (1) Medical Time-Out for each distinct
    treatable medical condition. All clinical manifestations of heat illness
    shall be considered as one (1) treatable medical condition. All
    treatable musculoskeletal injuries that manifest as part of a kinetic
    chain continuum shall be considered as one (1) treatable medical
    condition.

    A total of two (2) consecutive Medical Time-Outs may be allowed by
    the Referee in consultation with the Grand Slam Supervisor or Chair
    Umpire for the special circumstance in which the
    Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer determines that the player has
    developed at least two (2) distinct acute and treatable medical
    conditions. This may include: a medical illness in conjunction with a
    musculoskeletal injury; two or more acute and distinct musculoskeletal
    injuries. In such cases, the Physiotherapist/Athletic Trainer will
    perform a medical evaluation for the two or more treatable medical
    conditions during a single evaluation, and may then determine that two
    consecutive Medical Time-Outs are required.
     
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  38. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    lol Woodrow, use a bigger font, man! You can't expect him to read that!
     
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  39. dafinch

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    I interpret the above as follows: you're allowed 2 MTOs, 3 minutes apiece, so, how that morphs into 10 minutes is unclear. Furthermore, "trouble breathing" and "rib cage problems" that are never heard about again, would strike the majority of people as being sketchy, IMO-and, btw, what were the TWO "injuries," since you cannot get 2 timeouts for the same injury? Part of all of this is that, you tend to NOT get the benefit of he doubt when you have a dubious history, something many fans of Nadal seem to have difficulty in understanding, and Vika is very quickly acquiring exactly such a reputation, i.e., her dust up with Rad and the fact that more than one prominent tennis person believes her shrieking is cheating.
     
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    That settles it for me. Azarenka was evaluated by a trainer AND a doctor, and if they didn't think anything was wrong with her, they wouldn't have granted the medical timeouts. It LOOKED bad, and what Azarenka said afterwards on court and on ESPN certainly SOUNDED bad, but no rules were broken.
     
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  41. woodrow1029

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    Regarding the bolded part:
    Read my previous post regarding Medical Evaluation. You are allowed "reasonable time" for medical evaluation. So, time to walk off court, time for medical evaluation, time for the trainer to get ready to treat, time for 2 3 minute medical timeouts can easily morph into 10 minutes.

    Unfortunately, as there are no cameras in the off court medical area, the public does not get to see what she is being treated for. The broadcasters said right away that there was an injury treated in her knee and one in her back. That information comes directly from the trainer just as she finishes.

    Yes Azarenka said it was a rib, or breathing, or knee, or back or whatever she said. I'm not saying that I believe it was legit necessarily, and I have said this multiple times that I think it was most likely a BS medical situation by her. However, there is definitely a language barrier between Azarenka and the interviewers, as English is not her first language, so who knows exactly. But the trainer is not going to let her take a medical timeout for "mental struggles" or anything like that. If the trainer diagnoses 2 treatable medical conditions, she can take 2 consecutive medical timeouts.
     
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    Six minutes for the medical treatment, four minutes to put her clothes back on and walk back to the court. What's not clear about that?
     
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  43. woodrow1029

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    Yep, and time for Azarenka to get re-dressed too! :)
     
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    She has lived in the US since, what, 16? The "no speak-ee English" card is weak, particularly when we heard 3 stories in about an hour and a half. You say "if" the trainer diagnoses 2 treatable medical conditions, do we know what those 2 conditions were, as opposed to her rambling, changing-by-the-hour declaration.

    The "if you ain't cheating, you ain't tryin" and "If the official allows it, it wasn't illegal" attitude is, unfortunately, all too common nowadays, and, IMO, is very revealing. About the only good to come from all of this is that Vika is likely to be under very close scrutiny from now on.
     
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    As an official, you know better than anyone else here that players use the rules to their advantage whenever possible. They'll use a challenge on an obvious out ball to gain extra rest between points. They'll use a bathroom break after getting smoked 6-1 or 6-2 to stop their opponent's momentum. Heck, John McEnroe picked fights with umpires to gain an advantage. As long as the rules allow for wiggle room, the players will use that wiggle room.
     
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    I already said that there are no cameras, but the info that the broadcasters got from the trainer immediately after the MTO's was that it was a back condition and a knee condition that was treated.

    And, yes, there can still be language barriers for someone that has lived in the US for an extended part of time. If you find it necessary to not be reasonable, there is nothing I can do to help you there.

    I also said that I don't necessarily buy the fact that they were legit injuries either, but it's hard for the trainer to determine if someone was lying.

    The trainer determined that there were 2 treatable conditions that warranted consecutive medical timeouts.

    IT'S OVER NOW. It's getting close to a week that it's over now. I've pointed out the legality of 2 medical timeouts consecutively, and that your interpretation is wrong. What can be done about it now? LOL
     
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    Absolutely. There's never going to be a perfect system to make it so that everyone does everything 100% morally and ethically. The rules are there to limit the gamesmanship as much as possible. There are always going to be people that stretch the rules like a rubber band to the point of almost breaking, but they stay within the letter of the law.
     
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  48. darrinbaker00

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    One for the knee and one for the back, as Woodrow stated in the post you quoted.

    Unfortunately, Azarenka didn't cheat in this instance. If you're saying that Azarenka was cheating, then you're also saying that the doctor and trainer who evaluated her were in on it. I sincerely doubt they would risk their jobs for any player.
     
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    Guys, can we please put this thread to rest?

    The Open is over. Azarenka won regardless if you agree or not that she cheated. If you don't want like her (like me) don't watch the matches. Remember, the ITF isn't going to do anything about it, so if she does it again, the same people her on TT are going to jump on her again..

    Beating a dead horse here...
     
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    Thank you for such a timely response which brings this to a deserved end. If you do not mind, this should be reposted in any thread where this foolish "cheating" crap is posted in reference to Azarenka. Its funny how certain TW members want to alter the rules to suit their agenda, when said agenda was D.O.A.
     
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