Babolat E-Sense Frames (PD mold)

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  1. Bud

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    I was at Sports Chalet yesterday and noticed these recreational Babolat frames. It's basically a Pure Drive without the cortex. It also has side woofer grommets only... none in the head or throat. The price is $85-$99 (online)

    Here are the specs:
    Babolat E-sense Comp (blue)
    Length: 27"
    Stiffness (unstrung): 65 (62-63 strung)
    Head size: 100 sq. in. (appears to be PD mold)
    Pattern: 16x19
    Material: 100% graphite
    Weight: 9.7 oz. unstrung (10.2 strung)
    Balance (unstrung): 335 mm or about 2.5-3 points HL (even balance strung)

    With the low static weight and HL balance, a frame like this is perfect for customization. I'm wondering if the drill pattern is the same as the PD (so I can install and try new Woofer grommets as well).

    There's also an e-sense lite (yellow) that is 0.5 oz. lighter and 3 points more HH ◄◄

    Anyone know if these frames play similarly to the original Pure Drive being it's the same mold and composition with no cortex?

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  2. Fedace

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    why is it so flexible ? 65 SI. Pure drives are 72 SI index. They should have made it that stiff.
     
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  3. Bud

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    It's quite a bit less stiff than the PD and contains nothing besides graphite. The fact is also has no cortex makes me wonder if it isn't very similar in feel to the original PD.

    I think I'll buy one and customize it to the same weight and balance as the original PD then try it with the regular throat and head grommets and then the full woofer grommets.
     
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  4. flashfire276

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    I've had my eye on these since it was announced earlier this year. I think you're onto something Bud. If it's built decent, and we can mod it correctly, we can probably recreate the Pure Drive non-Cortex.
    I just hope that the racquet materials are decent quality to give a nice feel. It's flexy, which is a good sign.
     
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  5. Bud

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    I agree. I can tell you the stock grommets are lower quality than normal Babolat grommets. They look thinner and flimsier. That's why I was wondering if the Woofer grommets would fit the drill pattern.

    However, the body and paint look decent. I can't imagine quality control is too much different for these versus the professional frames... which really probably aren't even the same frames the real pros receive.

    I'll have to bite the bullet and buy one soon... then really examine it closely and determine how close the stock specs are to the printed specs.

    I also notice that MW Sports sells a FO edition of the E-Sense Comp.

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  6. dgoran

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    Back to the future this is like soft drive reincarnation :)
     
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    What was the biggest difference between the original Pure Drive and the Soft Drive... stiffness?
     
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    and balance. SD was more HH/less HL...
     
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    for sure let us know how it goes! i'm excited to hear your responses! PD TEAM REVIVAL hopefully!
     
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  10. BobFL

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    Good stuff Bud! I think I saw them in my local SA. I will definitely check it out tomorrow and report back. Btw, the key here (apart from the mold which appears to be incredibly similar to say the lest) is the layup. Given the price I am kind of skeptical but hey! with a few yards of lead tape, it could be very close to the pre-cortex pd ...
     
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    Lol... shouldn't take that much... just an ounce or so :)

    Well, yeah maybe a few yards now that I calculate it ;)
     
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  12. Virtua Tennis

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    Those racquets are not 100% graphite. The racquet industry is not the FDA where they have to tell you exact percentage used.

    Also I have tried the E-sense racquets along with Pure drives before and after GT tech. All I can say is you get what you paid for. Pure Drives play more solid like a $200 racquet compared to the E-sense frames.
     
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    So, when they say 100% graphite, they're lying :confused:

    I'd find it hard to believe there's really that much difference in the frame quality between these and a Pure Drive. The PD layup is more complex in that it contains tungsten weave... not to mention the name and player endorsements.

    BTW, some people think Pure Drives feel like hollow plastic toys so I'd have to try it for myself to see if there is really any quality difference between the E-Sense frames and the Pure Drive frames ;)
     
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  14. flashfire276

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    I certainly hope so. But let's remember, this is Babolat's range for mass-production racquets. Just like those low-class third-party retail racquets with dorky names like Head Liquidmetal Genesis, Wilson K Rage, and Prince Triple Threat Lightning, we'll probably have to expect the worst-case scenario. Sure, it's still graphite made. But it's going to be a lower-class graphite, which is not a good formula for our kind of taste.
    If I remember correctly, the starting price on the E-Sense line is around $100. Worst case scenario, we use that money to find a cheap used Pure Drive non-Cortex right here on the TT Classifieds. BUT, if this thing really is a hidden gem, Babolat might have a new selling point (maybe not since the Rafa hype has died down a bit).
     
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    I've seen this at ***** too.
     
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  16. BobFL

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    Guys, I failed :) SA is selling something similar but not the same.
     
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  17. Bud

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    I saw them at sports chalet
     
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    Going to customize one

    I finally got my hands on one of these (the yellow E-sense Light) from a friend who is looking for more weight and pop from the frame.

    I'm going to match it to the specs of a stock Pure Drive :)
     
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    Photos? :)
     
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    Waiting for the silicone in the handle to set...

    Will post them when I finish it later :wink:
     
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    Final Stats and Pics

    Babolat E-Sense Light

    Stock Specs (strung):
    Weight: 10.2 oz. 290g
    Balance: 2-3 pts. HH

    Modified Specs (strung)
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    Weight: 11.5 oz. 325g
    Balance: 5-6 pts. HL

    Specs are with overgrip and dampener ◄

    Added 20g of silicone and lead fishing weights inside the butt cap. Added 6g of lead at 3/9 o'clock.

    I'll have a hit with it, later this evening


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  22. user92626

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    Looks awesome. Better if you burried the lead under bumper. What string is that?
     
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    Gosen Micro 18 mains at 52# and Isospeed Baseline 16g crosses at 42#

    BTW, no bumpers at 3/9 ;)

    Yes
     
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  24. Up&comer

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    10 pounds of difference?
     
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    Hey, do the mains run/move alot in this hybrid? I'm debating whether to use synth gut with my isospeed Speed. I use gamma synth gut with polylon ice, which is a very slippery string, no?, and the gamma mains do not snap back straight :(

    I truly hate mains staying split apart. Let me know.
     
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  26. Bartelby

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    There's a blue e-sense comp that is 10 grams heavier.
     
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    Wow! It looks awesome! Thanks Mr. Bud :)

    Waiting for a review now ;) Btw, I would REALLY like to know what the RA is lol
     
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    The mains move great along the crosses and snap back into place (that's why I string them 10 lbs. heavier than the crosses). I also spray the stringbed with silicone after every 4 hours of hitting, so that definitely helps as well.

    Yeah, that frame would be even better to customize, IMO. I had to make due with what was available, however :)

    It plays great. It feels very much like an original PD. It's so much more flexible in the hoop versus the current PD and APD's. The stringbed has a nice pop (sound) with this string hybrid. The frame also had excellent spin, most likely due to the string hybrid and extreme polarization I set it up with.

    Overall, the quality of the finish and the feel from the stringbed is comparable to Babolat's high-end frames.

    My friend picked it up brand new for $35 and I charged him $35 for all the customization and the stringjob. Great frame for $70 ;)
     
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    More play

    Played another hour tonight with the frame. Yep, definitely reminiscent of the early PD's. Nice plush, soft feel on contact. The feel is not muted like the current PD as the frame has only side woofer grommets and no cortex.

    IMO, those who liked the original would like this frame weighted and balanced to stock PD specs.
     
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  30. flashfire276

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    Another epic project Bud. Really, mad props to you.
    Now, let's stock up on these "cheapo Babolat" frames!
     
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  31. Bud

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    I'd be interested to discover the stiffness of these frames from someone with a RDC machine.
     
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    The drill spacing is EXACTLY the same as on my pro stock PD (Moya's frame)! There is more space in the sweet spot area and the last cross is closer to the bridge. :) Good stuff!

    Where did he find it for $35? :)
     
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    Some scalper was selling it for $50 at the tennis courts. He hesitated and the guy immediately knocked off $15 from the price :)

    I'd be curious to hit with these back to back to see how much different they really are.
     
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    That looks amazing. If I come into some expendable cash soon I'll definitely pick one up for modding. Love my coach's PD Swirly but can't stand the new PDGTs.
     
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    Sorry to bring up this old thread. Would current pure drive grommets fit this? Thinking about getting a pair of the current model and bringing up to PDR specs in a polarized setup. Thanks.
     
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  37. SFrazeur

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    I have an E-Sense Comp, I will check if the holes line up tomorrow morning. Central Time.
     
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    Thank you so much!
     
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    What a fascinating thread recently bumped up again... anyone else 'done a Bud' and played with one of these lighter cheaper flexier Babs care to comment on their findings?...
     
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    Relatively stable and maneuverable the E-Sense Comp 2012 has a smaller sweet spot than Pure Drives, PD Roddicks and Drive Z. It has a bit of a hollow feel that the Team and Cortex pure drive versions suffered from. It only has woofer grommets at 3&9 and lacks that woofer feel that I enjoy but others hate. In some ways it feels like an older 100' racquet.
     
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    As for the grommets from a pure drive fitting. I would like to usr Pure Drive woofer throat grommets.
     
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    Could you use the new pure drive grommets(woofer) on a first gen pure drive(no woofer)?
     
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    Sfrazeur did you check out the grommets?
     
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    They are different. An entire Pure Drive grommet set will not fit. You might be able to exchange the bridge grommet piece but I cannot tell if the drilled holes are large enough. I do not get why they used a different drill pattern.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I could have woofer grommets at 3, 6, and 9.
     
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    Are the grip size/shape the same as the PD? Also, any more thoughts on this frame? Thanks
     
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    The buttcap is different: cheaper, lacks a trap door, flatter bottom, lacks the angular bevels of the quality buttcaps. In the hand it does not feel the same either. The handle shape feels the same however.
     
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  48. KYHacker

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    I bought some of these a while ago and sold them to a friend of mine who was looking for a softer-flex Pure Drive. They are a Pure Drive without cortex and with a little less weight in the handle and a little more weight in the hoop. SW was somewhere around 320-325 if I recall. Cosmetics on the frame weren't great, but it played like a champ.

    Does have the cheaper buttcap without a trapdoor and a truly horrible factory grip. Grip is an easy fix of course.

    I did take it into a local shop to compare to the Pure Drive grommets and the string spacing is slightly different from current Pure Drives but it looked like Pure Drive Light grommets had the same spacing. Of course, this was just eyeballing it and they might not work.
     
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  49. nkjwlf

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    Pure Drive and Pure Drive Light have the same spacing. The grommets are interchangeable. Pure Drive original grommets should fit since the E Sense came from that mould.
     
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  50. KYHacker

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    I don't think original Pure Drive grommets were woofer grommets. I could be mistaken, but I think there is a slight difference in the string spacing on the PDL versus the PD.
     
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