Babolat first generation

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  1. tototouri

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    Very interesting stuff here. The specs on my Pure Control are as follow:
    P42 C58 M65
    335g unstrung
    Flex. 63
    Equ. 31
    Swing 300

    It is a 16x18 string pattern.

    You are probably right about the mass of the racquet being what makes it so hard to get around.
    I did have leather grips on them and I'm sure that helped a bit.
     
  2. ericsson

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    Well like i said, there are two different first generations Pure Controls; the early ones are 335gr unstrung and the "later" ones are 330gr, both essentially the same stick and yes they are less maneuverable then the 2nd gen's controls. I had both the 335g and 330g in the exact same paintjob, i also had a Pure Control 1nd gen in + (extra length)
    (the first gen PC comes from the famous Pro One mold by Donnay)
     
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  3. Dave M

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    I've just realised that!
    I wasn't aware they used their own frames for any of the first gen but i did not realise it was a donnay mold.Thanks Ericsson
     
  4. flashfire276

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    What the?? There was a Soft Control??? I knew about Soft Drive, but never saw that before?
    Anyone ever seen that racquet before?
     
  5. Dave M

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    Originally for each family there (control, Drive and power) was a soft and a pure frame.They added to this as the year went by, one of my favourite and I havent seen one other than the ones i had was the VS family the drive looked a bit lik a pd but was lighter and had interchangeable bumpers for more weight.
     
  6. MarrratSafin

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    LOVE the paintjobs on both the VS Drive and Control.:twisted: The VS Drive is a good way lighter than the VS Control though.
     
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  7. MarrratSafin

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    Thanks ericsson, I don't think I will be able to handle even the lighter (330g) first generation Control consistently. Maybe on a good day! The plus length first generation must be an absolute beast. I seen one before and it is 28.5 inches IIRC, not like the later plus lengths which are only 0.5 inch longer!:shock:
     
  8. ericsson

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    Yes, a soft control, soft drive and soft power, pics will follow as soon i have the time...
     
  9. raging

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    Thanks for pics and thread...great to see rackets from the past.
    Do you know if the original Pure Drive was based on a Donnay Pro One or the Pro Kennex Destiny series?
    If so, which factory/company made the first Babolat rackets?
    The history is interesting...
     
  10. ericsson

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    Hi Raging, you're welcome.
    I am VERY sure that the mold used for the first Pure Drive was a Pro Kennex Destiny, for the Pure Control a Donnay Pro One Supermidsize.
    Like i've mentioned i have first generations made in Taiwan, Thailand and China, i don't know in which order though...
     
  11. Virginia

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    I have four nice Destiny's now, ericcson and that's as close as I'll ever get to a Babolat. For some reason, I don't like them - Babolats that is - the Destiny's are nice, especially the Graphite Destiny - very cool paintjob. :)
     
  12. jimbo333

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    I also had a PC 1st Gen in XL:-?

    And also had a PD 1st Gen in XL (with 2nd Gen paintjob):)
     
  13. jimbo333

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    I have a Bronze Destiny:)

    The Destinys aren't exactly the same mold as the 1st Gen PD's though!

    Although Ericsson may know about the absolute original 1st Gen PD with exactly same mold as the Destiny?:)
     
  14. ericsson

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    Well Virginia, many people don't like them and i know a lot has to do with Pure Drives changing the game and stiffness etc... but i know there are many that actually like them too, i'm not sponsored by Babolat nor i play with one but i really like the old Babolat models, machines and strings.

    Really, how interesting ;-)
    why dont you post some pics here.

    Well actually it's not the exact same mold, Babolat used the destiny mold but trust me it is not the exact same racket nor lay up.
     
  15. jimbo333

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    Yes the PC 1st Gen XL that I had was exactly identical to yours:-?

    I don't have any photos of it unfortunately, and also my camera isn't working at the moment anyway as I managed to break it:cry:

    As for the Destiny, I wondered if there was ever a PD with exactly the same mold, but you've made it clear that there isn't, and you would certainly know:)
     
  16. Dave M

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    Having recently heard back from a friend about a first gen 7 ish out of 10 PC, i've ben offered it fo a bit north of £100, think these are worth it?
    I'm tempted because i'd like to have a go with one so many years after my first sampling of them but equally if i buy it, hate it and want to sell it i'd rather not loose bucket loads of cash!!
    I've just sold most of my frames, in fact i only have a nearly new mizuno pro classic now not in storage, sp I need to buy some frames, just not sure what, then what if i love it and can't get another........was the layup similar to the donnay?
    THOughts please people.:confused:
     
  17. jimbo333

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    Dave, if it was 9/10 then yes definitely £100, but I personally think this is a lot for 7/10, just my opinion though!
     
  18. Dave M

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    It's what i was thinkg, what really gets me is that i was only paying around 450 french francs for them direct, why didn't i keep my first ones!
    There was an early pure drive on 'bay end of last year, i watched it for days got distracted by a visitor and it ended by the time i'd remembered, £30 it went for, not seen one since!:confused:
     
  19. raging

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    Thanks Ericcson!
    well my bet would be Kunnan's factory in Taiwan first with the prototype Destiny mold/Pure Drive but I have no proof, witnesses. Pierre Babolat would be able to tell me (he has sadly left us) or somebody at Babolat France who has been there since the start of racquet production, although Eric had just started so maybe he would know...it may be a history that they don't want to reveal...racquets were new for them in the early 90s and a lot has happened since then...
    Great you have such a nice collection...I gave mine away
     
  20. ericsson

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    Pure Control 1st gen. Made in Thailand:

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  21. Dave M

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    Was there more than 1 string pattern, the one i have here is a 16 by 18.
     
  22. ericsson

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    Yep, only the very early ones were 16x18, then they drilled a 18x20 pattern.
    Dave, where were yours made?

    ps: if you have a 16x18 you can try put in a Pro One SM grommet set, it might fit.
     
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  23. Dave M

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    http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp259/davem78/babolat/DSC_0307.jpg

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    I havent had this one from back then, I just thought that the ones i first tried had a more dense string pattern than the pure drives i had and you photo and comment explains that may of been the case. It's made in sticker is gone but it's warranty shiney one is still there and the number is just about readable, it's only 5 digits long so assuming they were in order it must be fairly early.
    Thanks Ericsson.
     
  24. zeeksmith

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    The racquet mold Babolat used in the late '80's/early 90's to demonstrate their stringing machines was the same mold (perhaps same specs) as Gamma's 95 P+ racquet ('90-'92). Interestingly, Tennis Mag gave the 110 P+ one of the best ratings in the Racquet review issue (I think it was '92). The 95and 110 P+ racquets literally put Gamma in the [racquet] game...up until they copied and launched a Prince staggard-string knock-off collection two years later.
     
  25. flashfire276

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    I wonder what PCM stood for. Those numbers probably stand for recommended string tensions.
     
  26. ericsson

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    No, those numbers come from the RDC machine that measures weight, balance, stiffness, dynamic inertia (SW), stringbed stiffness and manueverability, letters stand for Power Control Manueverability.
     
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    Post pics?
     
  28. ericsson

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    Sorry for the delay but here is the beautiful first Babolat Soft Drive, this is Carlos Moya's first Babolat racket. (Paris-Bercy 1996)



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  29. ericsson

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    Note the two with "double line"
    these are the oldest ones.

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    The double line cover (very rare)

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    i like the looks of the pure controls.

    when i was a youth, the only thing i bought from babolat was
    head tape and gripsy. not even a reel of gut for me...still.
     
  31. Lakers4Life

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    I just strung an Aero Pure Control the other day. 98 sq. in.

    Did the Pure Drive ever come in a 110 sq. in.? I'm only familiar with the PD 107.
     
  32. ericsson

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    The cortex version came in 110 sq.
     
  33. ericsson

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    Babolat first generation Soft Control:

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    What version are these 2 Pure Drives?:

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  35. chrischris

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    I have 2 Soft Controls 1 gen and 1 Pure Control also 1st generation up for sale in that section here at TW. they play very nicely.
    I think they were made using a Donnnay mold. Is that in fact so Any one out there knows the lowdown on that ?
     
  36. Dave M

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    If i'm honest i never truely thought of these as pure drives, i think those were the "360" or "zylon" ranges, they did them around 8 or so years ago for quite a while, they had a "contest" hich was similar too, never felt as good in my opinion as the regular blue P' D's
    YEs out of the pro one mold, different to the limited but it was a nice frame to say the least. there was IIRC a 16 by 18 and later an 18 by 20 tring pattern for those.
     
  37. chrischris

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    YEs out of the pro one mold, different to the limited but it was a nice frame to say the least. there was IIRC a 16 by 18 and later an 18 by 20 tring pattern for those.[/QUOTE]

    Ok, that what i was thinking too.They play awesomely.
    Thanks for your information.
     
  38. ericsson

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    Hi VS, i will post some pics soon of another testing cordage racket from Babolat (pre-pure drive)
     
  39. ericsson

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    Here you go:

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    (courtesy Hotrocks)
     
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    I have the Pure Control in this picture.It plays very very solid.Will move it though for i am into Head.
     
  41. vsbabolat

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    Very Nice ericsson! Your TEST Cordage frame looks like the same racquet with different cosmetics. I would say that these are the first tennis racquets to have Babolat on them. Yours looks like it came after mine because they had dropped "Babolat VS" from your frame.
     
  42. mctennis

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    Great thread ericcson. I never knew there were so many different models of these racquets out there. The club pro where I play had some of the originals when he was a touring pro from SA. He had them stolen from him after he joined the club ( not at our club but where he was doing an exhibition event). The only place at that time that you could buy them in the USA was from a place in Chicago. I know he wasn't happy with the ones he had to end up buying there. Now it makes sense he had the really early originals when he played. He complained after he bought those that they just didn't really feel like the ones he had been using. Only one other person had those at the club at that time they were so rare to have in our area.
     
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    Yes, it's really just a pure drive, but Bab apparently designed the APD to suit Nads strokes. Complete cr*p I say. It came out without the Cortex one time, but has always had the woofer.
     
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    VSBabolat-Or maybe mine was first and they added the VS later? Yours with yellow inside the frame would be an upgrade in cosmetics, just a thought. Very nice racquets VS.
     
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    VSBabolat- Or possibly mine was first and they added the VS later? The cosmetics on your racquet(vs) has nicer graphics. Just a thought and a very rare find.
     
  46. vsbabolat

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    In the late 80's Babolat branded everything "Babolat VS". In the early 90's they switched branding to just Babolat with the stylized racquet head with two stripes logo.


    Check out these two old Babolat string packages.
    From 1989
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    From 1992
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    On the 1992 "VS" has been dropped from the branding of all Babolat products.
     
  47. MarrratSafin

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    ^^^ Uh I still have that VF DuoChrome string in one of my Head Elektra Pro's.:cool: Did an online search before but couldn't find much info on it!
     
  48. ericsson

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    VS is right, the BabolatVS was earlier in the line...
     
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    ...for ericsson and ... other Babolat experts that may help me:
    I have a mint Pure Drive, like the one seen in the first pics of the thread, but it's an XL version...
    sorry for my...ignorance, does that XL have to do with its length, or its oval?
    Is this model less valuable, than the standard one?
    And did any pro players use this XL version?

    Thankss :)
     
  50. MarrratSafin

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    Way cool, your XL PD is of course just as valuable as the regular length?:) The XL only means a longer handle, everything else is the same with the regular length ones. Also if you are thinking of selling it someday, please let me know! (roddick_2711 at hotmail dot com). I've never played with the XL version before and would love to try it.
     

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