Babolat first generation

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  1. Dave M

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    Everything Marratsafin says is All correct nice frames not often seen these days.Is it actually longer than the 27" stad racquet length?I only ask because the only gen one i've seen in "XL" form was really std length.
    Sure there are a few of us in here who'd be willing to offer you some pennies for it if you did decide to sell, must be worth at least £20 plus p and p these days.............:wink:
     
  2. MarrratSafin

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    Hey Dave, no low-balling please...;) This is interesting, any ideas why they marketed XL but the one you saw was standard? Perhaps it was customized?
     
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    The original pure control wasn't too bad, nor was the pure drive. I played with the Pure Drive for awhile back in '99 I think. But, since the cortex versions I can't stand playing with Babolat. The only racquets I feel that I can find the court with is the Pure Storm Tour and more so with the Limited. More of a Wilson man myself.

    However, brings back good memories of playing with those sticks. Definitely classics despite what anyone may think of Babolat today :)
     
  4. Dave M

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    shhh i was leaving room to negotiate!
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    I don't know actually, at the time i played well with what i had and used it, didn''t pay much attention to others stuff.I only knew of this because the guy who had this was the one who got me into babolats early stuff.He had 3 or 4 but one was marke dup xl.Could of been that he cut it down to match the others in his bag.I never ended up with a + untill the swirly range (and that was because i ticked the wrong box!)
     
  5. Richard Parnell

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    Hi Ericson,
    In the first post of this thread you mention first generation frames. I think you will find that the pure power that you have there is actually a second or third as that one was around in '97 and before that there was a small head pure power in silver/green and the soft power in 94/95 was a orange and purple affair. I also have a Babolat string demo frame but mine is in black with Babolat VS on the side. There is also a soft control in red that someone has posted that in fact was available in blue before that one, it was made in matt and in glossy.

    Take care
     
  6. ericsson

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    Hi Richard, thanks for chiming in, i never saw that pure power in silver green... strange, i will go look for it ;-)
    Feel free to post pics, i know you had great connections with Babolat, i once saw a pic of you stringing with the first babolats on the background.
    Gracias.
     
  7. ritton07

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    ...maybe it is due to the fact that english is not my mother tongue (sorry..);
    but I still have to understand if, concerning early Babolats, there was a Pure Drive....and also a Pure Drive XL...
     
  8. Richard Parnell

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    The smaller head pure power was deemed to be (and was) too low powered to be called "pure power" and for this reason the model was changed and the large head power frames were launched. I take it the photo you are talking about was with Lucien Nogues at one of the ATP events in about '95/96 ? I was involved in the launch of the frames here in Spain in '95.
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  9. ericsson

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    Yes indeed Richard, together with Lucien and your beloved machine ;-)
    About the pure power, they may increase the headsize but still it is no power stick as we know them today, i have playtested that frame and found it very solid and quite heavy with a good SW, it can produce a heavy ball but the power level of the frame is actually not that high compared to a pure drive IMO.
    Fact is, the frames you talk about were probably not in production long and were very limited...
     
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    Yes, like Marrat already said, it is just a longer handle, same racket, same value. There were a few pro's that played the XL like Alex Corretja, he played the Pure Drive generation I under various paintjobs.
     
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    Here are a couple of pics of a Pure Control XL, don't know the weight yet, the previous owner has stuck a $#1tload of lead under the bumper. It now weighs 380 grams.

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    The pure power was play tested by Rafter in '96 however terms were not agreed otherwise he would have won the US Open with a Pure Power !! So, as you say not a power racquet. The first gen frames were only ever available in France from '94 and Spain from '95. I was the first to have the frames here in Spain (July '95) and sold about 40 in the first 2 weeks and have never really looked back since then. Once the racquets were introduced in these two countries, then the others countries were targeted. The first pure control was 16 mains and then they changed it to an 18 mains and made it even more low powered and hard to impart spin. I still have a couple that are floating around.
    I am really replying from memory ( and my memory isn't as good as it used to be) as I threw out all the old racquet catalogues a few months ago. So bear with me. I did take a photo of the old pure power and will see if I can hang it somewhere. I also took a couple of photos of the Moya frame as well as the Rafa aero and the Agassi Rad.

    Take care
     
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    Great info as usual, never knew this about Rafter! looking forward to see some pics.

    ps: Richard, what paintjob you have on the Moya's stick?
     
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    Didn't Nadal start out with the Soft Drive as well?
     
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    I've wondered this because i had heard that the earliest frames he had came from Moya to test (i don't know if that is true though) if that were the case then i suppose his first ones would of been pure drive paint jobs like Moyas?
     
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    Yes, Nadal used the Soft Drive in his early juniors days.
     
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    What's cordage?
     
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    Cordage is the French term for strings, as Babolat is France based.
     
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    No Probs ...
     
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    Does anybody have infos on the "Pop woofer"?
    Beginner's racquet i suppose...
     
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    Yes more of a recreational racket, mostly black with Woofer decals in the hoop, quite light and stiff if memory is correct...
     
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    Richard, i think there is something wrong, links dont work...
     
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    I have clicked on the link and get to the image..... one of life's mysteries. I will repost again tomorrow
     
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    (...in case it was useful.......I can see the pictures without problems;
    had never seen, before, that paint job.....)
     
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    Yup, guilty as charged
     
  33. ericsson

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    Nevermind Richard, i can see them now (strange)
    Anyway, earlier in this thread Tototouri posted the pics already http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=4653413&postcount=40 , i knew about this pure control though i've never see them retail, did you?
     
  34. Richard Parnell

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    Hi Ericsson,

    Yes these were the first pure controls and were around at the time of the launch in France and Spain. These were the first ones available and were the ones we sold until the second generation came out in about '96
     
  35. Dave M

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    was that the 2nd gen ones that were still the same pro one shape?
     
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    Well that must be in limited quantities cos i never saw them around in shops...

    yes same mold...
     
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    There weren't any limits on the quantities put on the market, however, with this type of frame there were limits to the type of client who would stock it. I had them and sold them quite well, but I also had the provincial number 1 and 2 ranked players using them (under contract) which helped. But yes, a frame that would be d¡fficult for a multi sport retail outfit to move thus the limited exposure.
     
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    Yes that explains it but i had the first Babolat catalogue here and the first post in this thread had all these rackets in, i dont remember there was a earlier catalogue so my post were mostly based on the catalogue. Too bad i cant find it no more :(
    Anyway, i think that must be around 1996 but i'm not too sure about that, it's been awhile ;-)
     
  39. MethodTennis

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    shame you cant find that catalog ericsson, could someone tell me what pass means because someone commented on it being on the 2nd gen pd and it got me wondering?
     
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    had a pure drive + swirly from '99 played awesome favorite frame to this day! and thats why roddick still uses it haha
     
  41. Hotrocks

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    VS Test Cordage

    To a collector....what would you value this Rare racquet at? Thanks..........
     
  42. vsbabolat

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    I would say it's up there with the Chicago, St. Vincent and Belgian Pro Staff. But more rare because there were not many that were made.
     
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    VS Babolat

    Thanks VS! I just picked one up on the big auction site for $66.00. The gentleman I purchsed it from said he found it in a old sporting goods store and they were happy to get rid of it for $30.00, unbelieveable. I have the all black VS test cordage racquet, that Ericsson posted for me a few months ago. I just ran across another, will add to collection. Will post some photo's when I receive. Need to figure out how to post pictures. THanks again.......
     
  44. MethodTennis

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    some people have all the luck :(
     
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    If you consistently watch the big auction site, you will be very lucky at least once in your life or more.

    That Babolat was there on the auction site for eveybody to see.
     
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    Your absolutely right! Was there for a week and Sold for $66.00??? What does that tell you....??? I visit this board often and there are many with conciderable knowledge, Ericsson & VS Babolat to mention a few, that I have learned from. I believe most that visit the big site are uneducated when it comes to the rarer items. Plus look how many continue to buy FAKE Babolat's. In the same week another showed up for buy it now($119.00). another great price for a rare racquet. Two in one week, could not believe it! PS- Would like to post a few photo's, but still having some difficulty.
     
  47. MethodTennis

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    Here in the UK there isnt quite as much stuff on the bay and the shipping costs can be expensive on shipping a racket from somewhere like the US.
     
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    Any chance there are more great pics?
     
  49. ericsson

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    Hi, yes as soon i have more time, more pics will follow.
    I will post a pic of the oldest pure drive i have which has different specs then the ones posted here...very rare racket.
     
  50. Dave M

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    Is this an extra special early one that I could of seen promo photo's of but for example there were not many avalliable to the public?:shock:
     

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