Babolat first generation

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  1. ericsson

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    Hi Matt, keep your usual, 52 is good as i wouldnt go much higher on these...
    these are stable enough, no lead needed unless you want a different balance.
     
  2. Matt G

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    Thanks for that.

    Do these play to the 63 flex or softer/firmer??

    I see there is a +-3 on the frame

    Also, chinese made any different??
     
  3. jimbo333

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    Have you got the +1" or the +1.5" version?

    The +1.5" version takes some getting used to definitely:shock:
     
  4. Matt G

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    im not too sure, havent measured, but put against my other frames it seems only a but cap worth or extra length.

    One of the best serving frames i ever owned was a Head TGT 260.3 XL so im hoping the extra whip continues
     
  5. ericsson

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    They play true to flex but they feel quite solid and massive.
     
  6. Matt G

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    These are just under 28 inches in length

    Time to string them up and give them a go!

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  7. jimbo333

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    ^^^Nice photos:)

    Well I just measured mine and it is actually a ridiculous 29" long, even longer than I thought!

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  8. Matt G

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    Looks like yours has slightly different paint to mine. On the throat area. Maybe an earlier / later model with a longer length. The pallets of mine have a serial number. Both the same. Not too sure what it means, maybe a batch number

    On a closer look, your frame has white inside the hoop and the logo has longer lines which I think is an earlier version. Different from my two. Someone who knows more will be able to tell you no doubt.

    Either way 29" is long!!
     
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    Yeah mine on the photo is an earlier one. I've realised I've actually got three different Pure Control XL's (with slightly different paintjobs), all different lengths. They are 1", 1.5" and 2"'s longer than standard. The 1" longer version I have is the same as yours.

    The 29" version above is the one I played with once and it is too long to get used to quickly!
     
  10. Dave M

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    I only thought there was one XL length, (I only ever saw pics of one anyway), unusual decision from a sales point of view to have 4 lengths of the same frame.Or were they destined for a particular pro I wonder?
     
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    I will check the rackets again next week. They are from different years, 1995,96 and 97, and have slightly different cosmetics, so I suppose it is possible, anyway I will post the results here.
     
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    ^ I didn't mean to imply they don't exist, I've seen some in fact I was offered one in France recently but wasn't sure about the XL "ness" of one.
     
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    ^^^Here is the 1996 +1.5" version:)

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    Beauty!! But I liked the one with white inside more, have not seen that before.:)
     
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    Cheers, you have though:twisted:

    It is the exact actual racket on page 6 of this thread. I got it from Rorsach 2 years ago. I think it dates originally from 1995 and I've never seen another one!
     
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  16. Matt G

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    Strung up a frame tonight with a hex poly at 48 and a multi cross at 50.

    Very solid frame, good spin, nice plow through.

    The thin beam cut well

    The added inch of length allowed a good whip to the ball and didnt effect my one handed backhand as much as I thought

    The length was noticeable on the serve though, but did have some added whip. Felt like it could use some lead at 12 o'clock to help it through on the serves.

    Overall a great frame with solid feel. Nothing like babolat have produced in a long time in my opinion
     
  17. MarrratSafin

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    Looking at it now, it is true I never noticed the white difference on page 6.:oops:

    Now that is another frame added to the want list.:twisted:
     
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    Sorry for double pics... My Pure drive first generation and my Soft drive first generation. Both are in mint condition.
     
  23. Don't Let It Bounce

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    A question from a Babo-n00b: Why were Soft Drive and Soft Power called "soft" when their stiffnesses, according to specs, were in the high 60's and low 70's? Was it just because they had a softer flex than the "Pure" versions?
     
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    For the first generation the soft versions had a lower stiffness rating (although for the Drives the difference was minimal 65RA vs 67RA), had a different composition (the Pure were 100% graphite while the Soft were 80% graphite and 20% fibreglass) and where lighter with the balance shifted more towards the head (less head light if you prefer).
     
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    i recently bought 2 of these beauties =)

    What string Setup do you use in yours?

    Anyone any idea, how much one of these is worth?
     
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    I just have to bump this because I found something fantastically peculiar. I was looking at a few auctions when I saw something with a crossbar and thought "that's not a Babolat..." Until I looked at a few pictures of it, which made me go O_O

    The auction number is 181274539302, Is it first gen, some rec stick perhaps? I'd love to know...
     
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    It looks very much like a POG, but I doubt that they've put something out like that...
     
  30. vsbabolat

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    I miss the real VS Gut! I hate the BT7 garbage!
     
  31. ericsson

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    That racket is not a Babolat by any means, totally fake.
     
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    It sold on Fleabay for quite a bit of money from Racket24 (I think that's the name)
     
  33. Sanglier

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    This one really intrigues me. It's obviously way too old to be a "real" Babolat, if we go by the official timeline of 1994 being the birth year of Babolat frames. However, what could possibly motivate a factory to go through the trouble of creating a fake racquet that had never existed?

    A 1994 French news article indicated that Babolat contracted two Taiwanese factories to make all of their frames, one was Kunnan, the other was Inhan. The Kunnan link is beyond obvious, but I have not been able to find anything on "Inhan". There is however a Taiwanese company called "Inhon" that specializes in graphite products, but it was founded in 2006 according to its website - more than a decade after the birth of Babolat frames. My guess is that Inhon was a subsidiary of some graphite material supplier that worked together with Kunnan to make the Babolat frames, and didn't become incorporated as a standalone company until much later. This would mean that Kunnan Lo essentially had the entire Babolat contract to himself from the very start, even as his overstretched empire was falling apart in a rather spectacular fashion.

    During the boom years of the mid-to-late '80s, Kunnan Lo spent a lot of time in Paris, where his prized computer company Arche eventually went public. Is it possible that he also made some side trips to Lyon at the time to entice the Babolat folks to make OEM racquets through him (like everyone else already did)? Maybe this strange beast that we are looking at (quite likely a Kunnan-made POG under the skin) is a product of one of those earlier efforts, which set the stage for the collaboration that took many more years to come to fruition?

    To my way of thinking at least, this scenario would make (slightly) more sense than some random factory creating a fake racquet that had no genuine counterpart, at a time when the brand itself was not known to be engaged in any form of racquet-making.

    It's really too bad that racquet-hoarders don't typically track provenance! The answer could have been quite straight forward otherwise.

    Hopefully the person who bought this thing would visit here and share with us his/her firsthand observations...

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    ^^^^
    Babolat did have TEST racquets for strings in 1989 and 1990. So they were definitely dabbling in racquets before the 1994 release.
     
  35. Hannah19

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    Sanglier may be right.
    This "Babolat" model reminds me of many rackets made by Kunnan for the Dutch Rucanor Sporting Goods Company.
    They had several boxframes with crossbars in their collection during the mid to late 1980's. One of those models was black with red stripong such as this Babolat.
     
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    Can someone who has a 1st gen Pure Drive help me out with the swingweight? Believe it is printed inside the throat?
     
  37. ericsson

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    Tricky question, even the first generations PD has three different versions :)
    1994 edition (the Original, 280gr unstrung)
    1995-96 double line edition (290gr unstrung)
    1997 edition (300gr unstrung and most common)

    ps: will give you some more info asap...
     
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    Wow didn't know there are so many... I was looking at an ad on the bay and it's definitely not the double line (babolat logo) if I understand this correctly
    It's the one with some side plastic bumper

    Of cos Ericsson if you got data to all 3 do share here
     
  39. ericsson

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    They all have the side plastic bumper, all the same mold, only the specs and slighlty different paint.

    As soon i'm home and have the time i will give you the SW...
     
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    BREAKING NEWS!

    I finally have a very first Pure Drive from 1994!
    I've been looking for one a long time and finally have it and guess what, it is 280gr unstrung :)

    This one is VERY rare, never saw one (even on photo)


    More info and pics to follow as soon i have the time...
     
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    Great find! Congrats! :)
     
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    Guys, question - what was the beam and headsize on the Pure Powers.
    The Pure Power Zylon was 102 square inch and straight 22.5mm beam.
    What about the swirly version and the 1st generation?
     
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    Hi Auto, can you be a bit more specific, what version pure power are you talking about? The very first one (1994-95) or the black one (1996-97)...
     
  44. Automatix

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    Sent you an e-mail. ;)
     
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    Here's the very first Babolat Pure Drive (1994)
    Finally ;-)


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    1994 collection

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    A rare sight indeed.
    Congrats mate.
     
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    How much did you paid for the Soft Control? how does it play, is it too low powered, and what is the head size?
     
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    It plays very sweet with great touch, the head size is 95 sq. (same mold as PC)
     
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    Figured I'd ask this here instead of the Bonjour Babolat thread - ericsson, would you happen to know the actual stiffness of the 2001 Pure Control? It's been rated at 72 by TW but I've also seen it marked as significantly lower. More of a point of curiousity than anything!
     

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