babolat lite or wilson blx lite for advanced 10 year old ?

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  1. dannythomas

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    My daughter is an advanced 10 year old and I am thinking of upgrading her to a full size from her existing 26+ Prince Hybrid. She is an attacking player who comes to the net a lot , even with some serve volley. So she needs a racquet with feel.

    I am thinking of either the Babolat Aeropro Lite Lite GT or the Babolat Drive Z Cortex Lite or the Wilson BLX Six One Lite. All are similar weight around 9.5 strung , the Babolats are 4-5 head heavy , the Wilson is even balance.
    Problem is that she will need a 0 size grip which you can't get on a demo and I think taking them on demos on grip sizes 3 or 4 will not give a true picture.

    Anyone with advice ? Also a good soft string with feel ?
     
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    Looking at the specs I would go with the Aeropro Lite. Good head size and flex will enhance the feel. The only thing is that the balance won't be as maneuverable on volleys as the even balance, but will have more plow through on ground strokes. I guess if she is looking for more a baseline frame I would go with the Aeropro, however if she wants to rely more on volleys to put points away I would go with the Wilson.
     
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    I was going to tear apart your OP but did not. I gave you the best advice you will ever going to get but since you decided to get cute and nasty here it goes:twisted:.

    First you have no clue what your daughter needs. A 10 year old looking for a racquet/string with feel is laughable, protecting her arm is a different matter. But since you insist she needs feel you suggested three stiffest frames which flex 68-70 and when I suggested a "softer" frame you dismissed my advice as non constructive:confused:

    You asked for string advice and I gave it to you. Had I suggested 15g POLY at 70lbs then I can understand your silly comment. Since you insisted on FEEL, NG has lots of feel and soft on your arm strung at low tension and the Legend for $20 is a great price for what you get. You are paying $175 for these frames so paying $20 for a natural gut string job is worth it.

    Lastly, the PDGTLite is the most maneuverable (HL) of them all (zero grip) and easier for a 10 year old to volley with.

    Sorry i gave you this advice. You surely did not deserve it.
     
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    First I apologise for misunderstanding your advice. I thought your post was a wind up and that you were talking about the racquet being on some kind of crazy special offer. When I read it again I realise it was the string you were talking about.

    As for protecting my daughters arm that is exactly what I am trying to do by moving from a racquet that is a little too light for her ( around 8.3 strung ) to a racquet like the Wilson at about an ounce heavier. The 3 racquets I mentioned were suggested by someone at T-W. I am not a racquet expert , that is why I am asking for advice. Especially when there are no demo racquets in a 0 or even 1 grip size.

    As for the question of feel she has excellent touch , loves to end points at the net and is working on occasional serve volley. That is all a little unusual in most girls on the pro tour let alone a 10 year old junior. I know she could change to another slightly heavier junior racquet but I have been told that is a waste of time since she would change it again soon .

    So I am being a little over cautious about her making this change and looking to get it right. Thanks for the advice about the strings.

    But at 10.5 ounces is the PDG Lite not a little too heavy ?
     
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    I have to say that the suggestion was a good one. I also would agree on the string suggestion of gut and for that price you can't beat $20. And you need to look at the stiffness as a important spec to consider. However, IMO you can go a bit higher on stiffness if you use an arm friendly string setup like gut.

    As far as the weight being to much...well the added weight will take some getting used to but will have its advantages: more stability on volleys and ground strokes, better for the arm, and will add more pop to stokes as well. Also with the Pure Drives being great serving frames, it will compliment a serve and volley game well.
     
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    They are both a bit stiff for a 10 year old, take a look at the Aerostrike it is on sale for $119. My ten year old is using it and he likes it...
     
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    No idea about a frame, but the gut recommendation is a great one.

    Because she's a young girl, she likely won't break many strings. So the gut job would probably last her quite a while.
    ANd everyone knows gut's amazing.
     
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    Two Cents

    I have an 8 year old son (big kid and ranked in the 10s) who plays with the Aeropro Drive Lite. Loves the racquet and can handle the weight which btw, I think actually is safer for him than hitting with a lighter racquet against fairly well-paced balls. I also felt that the racquet was really too stiff (72) so I have a HYBRID string set up with Babolat Syn Gut in the mains @ 55 lbs and Gut in the crosses @55 lbs. The tension seems a little high to me still so we're experimenting but it seems to work.

    My 2 cents...
     
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    Nothing under 11 ounces, OK?
    I would suggest staying within the Prince lineup..
    Actually I was going to suggest a few racquets but I won't.
    She should just demo a few racquets and gets the one she likes.
    If you really need a size O grip then maybe a 4 1/8 or a 4 1/4 will be enough.
    If she has a regular coach then you should seek advice there.
     
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    Did you mean nothing under or nothing over 11 ounces ? Not a bad idea to stay with Prince - she has always played with them. I couldn't find anything light enough but your suggestions on individual racquets would be welcome. I guess staying with an adult version of the 26+ hybrid might make sense ? The EXO3 hybrid 100 is 10.7 strung , 4 points head heavy. The O Shark Hybrid is 2 points head light.
     
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    And I am sick and tired of people who have no manners and can't answer questions without resorting to insults. My friend if you have some kind of attitude problem go and seek professional help.
     
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  14. Parker512

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    Go with the drive z light thats the one i use it has improve my game by 300%.
    You do mean the new one right. A good string is the mantis.
     
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    I also agree with that if you can find a small demo size 1/8 or 1/4 it may not be the perfect fit grip size wise, but she can get a decent feel for the frame and how it fits into her game.
     
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    Depends on how strong she is, how good she is, on how heavy a frame she can actually wield. The babs are better for ground game bashers.
     
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    She has tested out the Wilson today for 2 hours and really liked it. Seemed to get more meat on both ground strokes and volleys. We managed to get a demo in a grip size 2 - most of the others are only possible to demo in a 3. It is only 9.3 so some will say it is still too light but it seemed to take away the ooccasional wobble she had on her forehand groundstrokes with the junior Prince. For the first 10 minutes she was hitting groundies a little short but after that she was really hitting them with more force than usual. Her coach thought it might be a good change for her.
    So far nobody here has suggested it except Pheonix 6579 but it seems like it might really suit her net game. Serves and overheads looked solid too. Early days and she will try it a couple more times. If we go with it then I will take up the suggestion of gut stringing.
     
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    Seriously, don't take offense but I think it is crazy for a ten year old to play with a 70 RA frame, and extended length at that.
     
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    no problem, I apologize for over reacting as well, for a second as well I thought "hope this guy did not think I am suggesting a frame for $20" :confused:

    anyway, look at the SW, the PDG lite swings lighter than the aero Lite, the BLX lite swings a little lighter because it is a little longer plus it is very stiff. Something I would not recommend for a 10 year girl.

    We have tested all the newer "zero" frames including the strike and came to the conclusion that in terms of POWER,maneuverability, arm friendly, feel and control, the DP GT lite came up on top. There is also the VOlKL 10 Jr. that is 26.8 which has better feel, very soft and very arm friendly only it does not have the power nor the control as the PD GT lite.
     
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    yes the Strike is a good suggestion. However, we did put a strike on the RDC machine and it was around 68 just like an aero GT lite only with "older cosmetics":| OTOH the PDGTlite was around the mid 60's. If dad wants to save money, and the kid is secure enough and does not mind an old cosmetic frame then your suggestion is excellent. But having seen many competing youngsters, it is very important for them to have the latest cosmetics :)

    I agree,
     
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  21. dannythomas

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    I have decided to order the PDG Lite as well as the Wilson. She can practice with both for a while. I can't get the PDG Lite on a small grip size demo so what the hell ? If she is comfortable with the Babolat great. If she finds it a little heavy we can always hold it back for a while. I take your point about the swing weight. Someone posted that most of the Babolats are good for baseliners , the Wilson may be better for a net player. Don't know what you think about that ? The Wilson is being directly marketed as a transition racquet from junior to full size. I will get both strung in natural gut and at the end of it all she will make the choice !
     
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    You are a good Dad and your daughter is lucky, I am glade you got her the PDGT lite as well, let us know how she likes them, she should take her time with them......few months, if she does not like the babolat, we will buy it if you like. If she can serve and volley more comfortable with the wilson then go with the wilson. But in the end it is all about power and the babolat is more powerful

    Another choice but more of a baseline player is the Head radical light but it does not come in zero grip, I would get the 1/8 and sand it down.
     
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    Thanks for the advice and the kind offer. I would like to throw 2 more into the mix. The Head Youtek Mojo seems to tick a lot of boxes especially flexibility . Might be good for her game. Also on special at $109. Plus her coach has suggested that if she likes the Wilson she might be better off with the BLX Surge, a little heavier but he prefers the smaller head size and racquet length.
    Any thoughts on either of these ?
     
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    Tennis Warehouse by the way are recommending to me the Pacific X Force Lite which is even more flexible . They told me Pacific and Fischer are basically the same but I don't know if anyone out there knows about that racquet ?
     
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    Basicly this whole post, get the Pure Drive Gt lite, had a quick 15min hit today with one and loed it despite liking the heavier rackets such as the KBlade tour
     
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    oops double post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
     
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    you want smaller head size go with the http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Dunlop_Aerogel_4D_300_3Hundred_Lite/descpageRCDUNLOP-D4D3L.html which is smaller than 98 But all these do not come in zero grip so 1/8 might do the trick, here is a comparison of all three in terms of power


    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/storepower2.cgi?racquetA=YTMOJ|100|Head|YOUTEK:Moj%20o|RCHEAD|x&racquetB=WSBLX|100|Wilson|BLX:Surge|RCW%20ILSON|x&racquetC=PXFL|98|Pacific|X:Force:Lite|RCPA%20CIFIC|x&racquetD=none

    you can plug in the wilson lite and aero lite head lites but in the end from all the lites the pure Drive GT lite is the most powerful of the "lites" and that is what Jr.s need IMO, by the time they can generate massive head speed and need more control then I would go with Prestige MP's etc...
    I like flex but she has to generate her own power, if she can do that successfully they yes this is a good option but again issue with 1/8 grip
     
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    This week she has been playing with the Aeropro Lite, the PD Lite and the Wilson. She really seems to have got attached to the Aeropro. For some reason she doesn't seem to like the PD - she doesn't seem to generate as much power from the ground and is not as confident on the volley. In the beginning I thought it was just that the yellow racquet looks pretty !
    For the first 30 minutes she found the Areopro a little heavy but she has played with it 3 or 4 times now and it seems to suit her. She is definitely generating a lot more power off the ground and it seems stable on serve and at the net with no lack of feel.In fact last night she was doing a difficult serve volley drill with it without any problems.
    We are supposed to demo the Pacific this week and her coach has recommended we also try the Z drive lite but I am inclined to let her keep playing with the Aeropro and see how she feels about it in matchplay.
    I know the Aeropro is a little stiffer but since she seems happy with it.....
     
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