Babolat Pure Strike Tour vs. Pure Control Tour

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  1. GringoLatino7

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    Specs are pretty close.
    String pattern is different, flex is similar, swingweight is probably the biggest difference.

    I prefer to know your thoughts on "feel." I don't live close-by to a store where I can demo. I played with the first Pure Control + back in the day, I like the Pure Storm Tour GT, and I don't care much for the current Pure Strike 100, I figured the Strike Tour would feel the same just different specs, agreed?

    I want a more traditional feel like a Prestige...which would you go with?

    Thanks,
     
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    we can't always give you the best feedback on a particular racket. our feedback doesnt always give the best idea because we have preferences in things.

    Like Lukhas said, the best way is the demo the two racket and experience the rackets yourself. You just have to pay for the shipping and try it out for a week.
     
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    The two sticks aren't really comparable and won't feel or play alike. If you want something with the "feel" like an old (non-Graphene) Prestige, you're better off with the Storms instead of either the Control or Strike in my opinion between the three. Newer isn't necessarily better. But if you had to choose between the Control or Strike in terms of being closer to traditional "Prestige" feel, it'd probably be the Control. Frankly, "feel" is probably most subjective aspect about a racquet, and it's tough to rely on others opinions rather than just trying it out for yourself. As others have mentioned, you should be able to take advantage of TW's demo program which will deliver the demo sticks to your door.
     
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    Pure Storm Tour/Pure Control Tour Specs

    So I drove to a local pro shop today and grabbed the sticks. I am blessed enough to have a RDC machine and I want you to know that the specs listed on TW and the specs that my RDC machine gave me are off:

    TW specs for the Pure Control Tour - 334.5g, 63-RA, 32.08cm, 317sw
    My specs for the Pure Control Tour - 336g, 64-RA, 31.9cm, 304sw
    My specs = no vibration dampener, no overgrip, strung with full nylon

    TW specs for the Pure StrikeTour - 340, 65-RA, 32.39cm, 330sw
    My specs for the Pure Strike Tour - 336g, 67-RA, 32.2cm, 305sw
    My specs = no vibration dampener, no overgrip, strung with full nylon

    The Pure Control Tour swings easier. I know that may sound weird with the same static weight, same swingweight.

    The weather is calling for snow for the next two days!! But I'll post personal reviews, (and maybe a YouTube video) when I get done hitting.

    Stay posted (no pun intended)
     
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  6. joaosoaresvieira

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    how can your sw be so different from tw's on the strike tour?
     
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  7. Babolat Official

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    We find that RDC numbers vary depending on how often it is calibrated, age of parts, etc. Best to establish a baseline reading on one machine and then only compare adjustments on that same machine. If you are as picky as us ;)
     
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  8. joaosoaresvieira

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    Daniel,

    I've been playing with the strike tour for a couple weeks now but, because it is borrowed, I can't customise it to make it more HL like I'm used to (mine is a PD 2009 10pts HL).

    Based on 20/30 hours hitting with the strike tour I'm inclined to believe that the pure control tour is a better solution to achieve the desired balance (10pts HL) without weighting it to much - correct? TW measured it at 7 pts HL strung.

    It's surely a plus that the swing weight is (in theory) much lower on the control tour...

    Can you confirm the strung balance and swing weight on both?


    Thanks in advance
     
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  9. Babolat Official

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    Can you demo the PCT before. The flex is noticeably different from the Strike to Control line (not sure if that is a big concern, but it's something I am always cognizant of, probably to a fault).


    In terms of customizing, going from 5 pts to 10 or 7 pts to 10 is largely the amount of weight you put in the handle (so yes, less weight need with the PCT to get to 10). Shoot me an email with the question and I can forward it to our expert dbecker@babolat.com

    We do our official stats unstrung and ungripped. TW is good to use, as they independently test a variety of rackets in their strung form. (Unofficially) Here are the RDC readings I just got from my two strung demos:

    Strike Tour (grip 2)
    -RPM 17 + VS hybrid
    -Syntec pro undergrip (no overgrip)
    -no damp
    static weight: 339 grams
    swing weight: 329
    balance: 6 pts HL

    Pure Control Tour (grip 2)
    -PHT 17 + VS
    -Syntec pro undergrip (no overgrip)
    -no damp
    static weight: 337 grams
    swing weight: 315
    balance: 7 pt HL
     
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  10. joaosoaresvieira

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    I will test the pure control non-tour soon, because it's the one available to demo here in Lisbon (for now I suppose), but i'm guessing it's going to be too far from my usual specs

    Based on your reading the control tour is definitely a better option for me, considering that I have tested the strike tour and found it too head heavy or, possibly, was feeling the extra swing weight

    I'll email you soon

    thanks!
     
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  11. mawashi

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    Thanks for the info, I'm really curious why the sw for the PST is so different, 305 vs 330 is huge.

    The PCT should swing lighter anyway, 7 vs 6 pts and 16x20 vs 18x20.
     
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  12. doccao

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    I demo'd both racquets, and found the Control Tour to be more easier to swing, way more felt plush on the arm, and had plenty of plow through. Compared to the Control Tour, the Strike Tour felt stiff as a dead board with a hollow pinning metallic sound. In stock form, the Control Tour is easily Babolat's most arm friendly racquet.

    I'm ordering the Control Tour strung with Babolat Xcel Power @ 55lbs.
     
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    That good to know and from some of the other posts, the PCT seems to be the successor to the PS series.

    That's not a good thing for me as I could not connect with the PS series and 16x20 patterns.

    Babs traditionally are not known to have the best feel so that's a real concern.
     
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    GL, if you want a traditional feel like a Prestige then...buy a Prestige Classic...there is no other. It was/is a fine racket.

    I remember when we first discussed Babolat making such a racket some years ago and everyone agreed it was NOT the intention to make a Prestige.
    Even at last year's Coach's Conference it was discussed again how such a racket/frame might feel. Now we have got it.
    Some posters and Babolat Official has already written that feel is indeed individual and not to be distracted by RDC measurements.
    What Babolat has done is produce 2 very different frames in the PCT and the Pure Strike...good luck making your pick.
    They are both great rackets.:)
     
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  15. mhkeuns

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    Hated the Pure Strike Tour at first. Now, I almost prefer to the IG Prestige MP. What a great racquet with unreal power. Just took me around three sets to figure out the racquet. One of the best serving racquet I've ever used. To me, though, I had to slow down my strokes and hit more with flat strokes. It feels kind of like the IG Prestige or Vcore Tour 89 with more pop, which is a big plus in my opinion.
     
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  16. Bartelby

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    TW averages several racquets so it depends on how many you sample.

    Your measurements are actually close to the April edition of Tennis Industry magazine for the Control Tour, which probably only measures one.

    They measure the PCT at 304 and the PST at 320.



     
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  17. richsox

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    For what it's worth _ I demoed the PC (non-tour) and the Strike 305 18 x 20 (as well as the other 2 strikes, 100 and Tour).....

    I mainly used a Pure Storm GT in recent times (as well as PD's), and although I feel the Pure Control, gave me that instant "connected feeling" it lacked plow through for me.

    The Strike 305, although took some getting used to, it just keeps giving me winning results. It is also is a serving machine - precise and pacey. Hit the sweetspot with the Strike, and you will do some damage to your opponent.

    The Pure Control standard was much too light - some 16g less than my 305 strung, and I know the Tour would be too much for me (based on my experience trying the Pure Storm Tour-which I found way underpowered)....

    I bought the Strike 305. Strung it at 55lbs VS Team (Gut) and put on a new excel gel grip -- happy days indeed :)
     
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  18. mhkeuns

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    The Pure Strike Tour is my main stick now. I will be demoing the Tour 330G soon, but I'm seriously loving the Pure Strike Tour more and more each time I hit with it. It 's a precision oriented stick, and the stability is second to none. I can hit the ball harder with less effort with awesome plow through. I'm just at the final stage of fine tuning, controlling, and having the racquet act as the extension of my arm. My serves have not been so effective since the Pro Staff St. Vincent days. It does feel like the beloved St. Vincent Pro Staff with better stability and much more controllable power. I love the IGPMP so much, but this racquet tops it... easily. It just took me about a week's worth of playing to realize how great this racquet is... I understand how some people may have hated it at first because the racquet does have some unique playing characteristics that the players probably had to get used to. After the learning period, though, this racquet is helping me win in style... with some intimidating and blazingly hard shots. Love the Pure Strike Tour!
     
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  19. TimothyO

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    But TW data still contains errors.

    TW Retail shows the Pure Storm GT with a SW of 327.

    Other retailers, TW University, and the five that we own all came in around 318. The highest one that we own was 320.

    For that 327 to represent an average of several frames the sample would have to include some with truly massive SWs. Furthermore, TW retail shows that 327 value for both the 2009 and 2011 PJs. Either it's a typo or, as Daniel pointed out, their RDC was completely out of calibration on the day they took their measurements.
     
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