Discussion in 'Strings' started by Fedace, Mar 17, 2011.
On tv they said nadal has hit with as much as 7800 rpm before
for starters, Hurricane Tour is a better string. Pro Supex Big Ace, Lux Alu Power, Rough, Timo, genesis black magic, typhoon, pro line 2, etc, etc, etc,
your numbers are way off. But any-how, I think Sampras using a small headed, underpowered frame, strung with natural gut over 70lbs got more spin than nadal does with an over-powered, spin friendly frame, using a supposed "spinny" string.
actually, you are the one missing the point. Please go back and read my initial post. (the first one you responded to).
and again, what does any of this have to do with my initial post where I say RPM is about average in the spin department, and loses tension WAY too quickly compared to other strings, and then add that less expensive sythetics offer more?????
The reason pros don't break strings, is because they are using fresh string jobs for every match, and nearly every practice session. They rarely, if ever use the same string job twice. Couple that with the fact they have 4-7 freshly string frames that they use for about 30-40 minutes during a match, and this is the reason you don't see them breaking strings.
I would know, being that I have strung for pros. At the Delray ATP we string over 500 frames. Not one came back with a broken string. NOT ONE.
Here is a thread on pro's gear and stringing at the Delray I started in case you are interested:
Lastly, although RPM will not break as quickly as a less expensive sythetic/multi, fact is, the second time you take it out for a hit, it is already dead, so you need to cut it out anyway. Of course, most people don't realize this, and continue using it for weeks on end, and repeat the same things you are saying here.
I playtested RPM twice before it hit the market. Once when TW sent out samples (b-432-c????), and before that, when it was named Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour BLACK.
Both times, it lost a ton of tension within 24 hours, went dead on the second day, and didn't last much longer than multis. Approx 8-10 hours of use.
For what RPM claims to be (a giant in the spin department), it actually isn't. It is average, on course with many multis, which have more power, comfort, and last nearly as long, and in some cases longer,,,,,,,,and yet cost 3 times less.
To finish, their isnt many pros we strung for that were using RPM. For the most part, they were using Lux Alu Power.
Most still have stuck to Alu Power that is true. I like both but still prefer the Luxilon.
What I meant by breaking string is that before you got the odd break here and there when pros were using gut strings, they'd always fiddle with their string savers in between points and so on, not anymore.
I remember the first time I played with Kirschbaum Super Smash, talk about tension loss. When I switched to Alu Power it was like heaven. Poly's have never been good with holding tension you are right. Alu does a very good job of it being a poly but the others are mostly terrible. Other good ones I've tried are Signum Poly Plasma I think it was. Truth is though a lot of players don't care, or mind and keep playing with the dead poly's. I've seen guys rackets over in Europe, especially juniors who are training full time having poly's in their rackets till it breaks and they do break it.
I think we might be arguing the same thing here, just different ways of saying it. Like I said before poly isn't for everyone and when I said RPM has good spin I was comparing poly to poly. A multifilament will give you more power and spin, I think someone else was arguing that earlier.
Rule of thumb: never trust the pro commentators once they discuss aspects of gear and/or stats like this. The former pros are an amazing source of knowledge when it comes to mechanics, technique, strategy, placement, etc etc... but as soon as they start blabbing about strings and racquet technology, most of the time they end up spouting out tennis myth as it has perpetuated all over the place.
Martina Navratilova calls poly/co-poly strings nylon.
Tracy Austin has been quoted to say natural gut loses tension faster than all other strings on the market.
Now Shriver is pulling a number, 7800 RPMs, out of thin air... was probably just some kind of comparison she was trying to make, who knows.
I'd love to see some kind of documentation showing these player RPM facts, honestly. :lol:
not true. talked to a touring pro that uses full poly. said he broke strings in like 5 hours. practices 2-4 hours a day.
And what pro player plays a match that lasts 5 hours and only uses one racquet????
Go back and read my post. I've strung at a *PRO* tounamemt for PROS, including tipsarevic, Blake, delpotro, Isner, etc. Not one came back with a broken string. In fact, of the 500+ racquets that were strung, not one was broken.
where did u read in my post "one racquet"?
to post this for all pros is a bit...hmmmm.
maybe Steady Eddy can point out the flaw in your logic.
Drakulie, do you see more pros using power or power rough?
I switched from Luxilon Alu Power Big Banger to RPM Blast 17. I found RPM has that bit more bite (especially strung @ 35lbs). It definitely isn't as powerful as Alu.
For some strange reason, while the RPM feels softer, I now feel more muscle strain/tendinitis symptoms than with the Alu BB. It may be I'm trying to hit with more top spin or because of less power, I'm trying to hit harder to compensate.
Hands down Kirschbaum's Pro Line II is better than both PRM or Lux alu power for playability, control, and comfort! Comes pre-stretched too! Check out TW's buy 2 get 4 offer and you'll find out for yourself.....
Drak,,,, not sure the numbers were correct but Pam Shriver did definitely say Nadal produced Highest RPM of topspin EVER produced in pro tennis ever in history. and that included Sampras with gut. I think Sampras only came in about 4th or 5th place....
Drakulie and tennis_balla is pretty much saying the same thing here.. And I agree.
What some ppl dont understand about polys, is that low level and mediocre club players with slow swing speeds, will not get more spin out of a poly compared to synthetics, in fact its the other way around. But for players with good technique and racquet head speed the poly does allow you to really rip the ball and put more spin on it than you can with normal synthetics. The question is.. are you good enough to use the advantage poly provides you with?, if not you better leave it alone!.
Some ppl use poly because of its durability, but unless you are a serious stringbreaker its the wrong reason to use them. If you are not a stringbreaker the poly will go dead long before you would break any synthetic string and then theres no point of using it!.
Im a cronic stringbreaker, I use thin gauge polys - 1.10-1.20, sometimes 1.25, but I break them in 4-6 hours so I never have to cut them out. I used multis for many years but hated the fact that I could sometimes break several strings during a single match . Now with poly I rarely break more than one when playing tournamenst or team matches.
Here is your post:
You said you talked to "A" touring pro.......meaning, ONE. You also added that he broke strings "in like 5 hours".
Now, would you like to clairfy how many string jobs he broke in 5 hours???? From your post, anyone would conclude it is one.
Is it two? Five? eight hundred????
I didn't say "all pros". Rather, gave a factual testament, based on my experience and knowledge, as to why pros typically don't break strings during matches.
James Blake has TWO racquets. He uses one for practice, and one solely for the match. He has them strung every day fresh. Again, he uses only ONE for matches, and he rarely, if ever breaks the strings. I'm sure you are aware he is one of the hardest hitters on tour, and again, doesn't break that one set of strings on that one racquet during a match.
The reason I know this, is because I have participated on the string team that strung for him during the Delray.
Pam Shiver is a total idiot and has no business being a commentator, or speaking about anything related to tennis. If you are getting your knowledge from her, you are in trouble.
^^ are you saying she pulled out the number 7800 rpm out of thin air. That number must have come from somewhere
it wouldn't surpirse me if she read it from a pre-teen poster on these boards.
Seriously though, many times commentators have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. As someone else said, especially related to gear and equipment.
drakulie - your logic and reading comprehension are beyond description. lol
the main criteria for the strings is the power, durability, string movement. Alu power to fully satisfy me. PRM good strings for the first time, but need more frequent replacement. Not for me
Yeah. OK. :roll:
I think the commentators and network are getting paid to talk about specific brands of strings (e.g., Babolat strings at the French Open last year) and now, indirectly, about racquets. For example, the talk of Woz's idols being Selles, Hingis, and Kournakova (sp?). These are all former Yonex players that became known with Woz's switch to Yonex. Sure, Woz and Co. may have fed this to them but its hard to believe the network is not a willing (or bought) cooperator. Given the reputation that tennis marketing has (i.e., paintjobs, etc.) I'd listen to Drak more than Pam or anyone in the "business".
By the way, I think the rpms Pam is talking about are more the result of Rafa than the strings, particularly compared to the rec player.
Agree on both. Well said. Rafa would generate as much spin using ALU, PHT or Gosen Polylon.
Just moved from RPM, full bed, to Alu power mains and Wilson NXT crosses - and I have to say that I prefer this mix.
I generate alot of topspin naturally due to the way i swing the racket and i have tried RPM and ALU Power rough. I can tell you that ALU has more power and more spin than RPM. what this mean is i can drive the ball deeper and with more spin which means my opponent dislike. alot of time the ball clipped the base line and bounced high.
the cost of this more power and spin is shoulder pain so i hvae to hibrid with Babolat VS guts.
Yea but when Alu power goes dead, what do you do ? do you cut it out ? do you break the string-probably the gut before Alu goes dead ?
You cut it out when it goes dead.. same with RPM... which in my experience goes dead more rapidly than ALU Power.
I like ALU Power much more because of the fact it is more powerful, so I can apply more spin but still hit a big shot. RPM, for me, just felt like plastic. I didnt like it at all, and that was before I saw the price. I'd rather play with MSV Focus Hex than that, and that's saying something.
I like Alu's power as well but it is very harsh string and feel is not good. feels like metal wire. RPM when fresh feels much better. It only feels plasticky when it goes dead.
I feel High level college tennis is a pretty good litmus test since:
A. The players don't pay for the strings
B. The big schools can afford whatever
C. The players aren't be paid to use one string or the other
I'm still seeing A LOT more Alu Power than RPM Blast. Like Six or seven Alu Power to one RPM Blast.
I've been a long time user of either Luxilon Alu power or Luxilon Original mains at 46 pounds in a Babolat Pure Drive. Out of curiosity I strung up a set of RPM Blast 16 at the same tension. RPM was noticeably lower powered, and hurt my arm alot more. I felt like I had to take the cut of my life to generate the pace I normally get with either of the Luxilon strings. So for me, the two Luxilon strings were quite a bit better. Can't comment on durability or tension holding as I only used the RPM for one 3 set match. Again these were all hybrids with basic syn gut crosses at 46 pounds.
How can RPM hurt your arm more ?? 99.9 % of the users say, RPM is much better for the arm. Less power,,we all agree but RPM is definitely softer and easier on the arm. RPM has some nice pop on the serves also. If i have a good day with placement on my serve, i serve alot of Aces even against 5.0 college level guys.
It feels softer but somehow, it does transmit more vibration. I feel the ball better with RPM, especially @ 35lbs but my forearm does feel more fatigued with RPM than Alu BB. It's strange but looking at the string stiffness comparing the RPM to Alu BB, the RPM is stiffer in quantitative tests. What I think is happening is that the string construction gives transmits more vibration (hence a softer feel) but is actually stiffer than the Alu BB. Certainly in my experience the Alu BB is more powerful.
Interesting thread and read. I've been starting to experiment with hybrids and find that I do get more spin with a poly main and multi cross over full multi.
WOW. you should try the Barbwire. that one will give you some major mondo spin. It is a cheaper string too
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