Babolat Star II...

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  1. nickb

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    On UK E*B*A*Y there is a Bab Star II for sale. I just looked at some pics of the machine on google and it looks like the clamps have been removed/messed around with on the one on ****...there is only 1 clamp. ?

    http://cgi.****.co.uk/stringing-mac...yZ101727QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Any help would be great...if you know that machine and can tell me more about the mouting system, tension head and any other info that would be great.

    Cheers

    Nick
     
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  2. YULitle

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  3. iplaybetter

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    nick are just going to that, not sticking with your machine till you can get the star 5
     
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  4. nickb

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    No im not sure if I will bid...its at £100 right now...if there are no bids then I might buy it.

    Not sure...

    The 1 clamp thing does not sound good..

    Nick
     
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  5. nickb

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    Thanks

    But why would there only be one clamp when on all other pics of the star 2 there are 2 clamps?

    Have you ever used the star II?

    Nick
     
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  6. YULitle

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    I've never used it but my guess is that there was more than one model, as there is today. Babolat offers the sensor in a one or two clamp config. and I've seen past models with the same option, though not the 2 specifically.
     
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  7. YULitle

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    I imagine this is just like most things with machines, you get used to it.
     
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  8. nickb

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    OK cool thanks for the info!

    Nick
     
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  9. Pro_Tour_630

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    http://www.photostringer.com/babolat_starring_01.htm
    here is a star II with dual clamps, I prefer two, I did not like the 4 screws, sometimes if I over tighten them they leave a mark on my frames, I would not get a used electronic machine, you never know what will happen and if the pulling system fails it costs lots of money to replace. This is why I like my MS200DX I can use it anywhere, even in places with no electricity, and most important there are no electronics that can break
     
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  10. nickb

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    Cheers PT...I dont think im going to bid.
     
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  11. downey stringing master

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    10227483 wanted to buy it , i was wondering if you could slot on a different mount maybe?
     
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  12. 1012007

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    A think a big thanks goes to me for seeing this machine:)

    I do take paypal or cheque:)
     
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  13. 1012007

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    LOL stop dissing my name:)

    Its shorter if you type it properly
     
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  14. downey stringing master

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    i know. 12372646 is just easy to randomly type :)

    did you find out wether you can change the base. ?
     
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  15. nickb

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    Its not worth bidding...it could be in any condition and the mounts are known to mark rackets like PT said.

    Nick
     
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  16. 1012007

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    No i didnt but if it breaks your busted. You would have to fork out £100's to fix it and i just wouldnt know where to start. Plus there is a reserve on it so could only be sold at like £800 etc

    If there were 2 clamps i might of taken a chance but not worth it.
     
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  17. 1012007

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    BTW PT is the MS200DX a La$erfibre?
     
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  18. downey stringing master

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    if you put leather between brackets and frame..
     
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  19. Pro_Tour_630

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    yes, Thomas Martinez had one for sale dunno around $1200 warranty still had 7 years left,

    http://www.laserfibre.com/DX_Large.htm

    but dunno for around $1300 If I were purchasing a new machine the best one would be this
    http://www.eagnas.com/plus8000.html for the money

    if you find a used star III which is very nice, they go for big bucks $500-$800 as well even heavily used beat upped ones but you still do not know if the electronics might fail on you, then what are you going to do?

    and sometimes these used babolats get out of wack in terms of calibration

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=25447&highlight=star+III

    here is a thread about star III and my DX

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=18237&highlight=III

    if you are starting out, have space and do not travel, the best machine for the money is the EAG300 without a question
     
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  20. 1012007

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    From the seller:

    "Hi,



    Yes machine can come off cabinet. There is one clamp in the centre and spare clamps, you use a flying clamp to start. I have restrung hundreds of rackets on this machine with the central clamp and never encountered a problem.



    Steve"
     
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  21. flash9

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    Popular in Europe

    These One Central Clamp Machines seem much more popular in Europe.

    They work great for those that have them, but personally I prefer having two. For one thing when stringing the crosses you kind of have redundancy in your clamping.
     
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  22. downey stringing master

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    so anyone know weather you can change the moutning base?
     
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  23. Richie Rich

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    mounting base is interchangeable between star II and star III. not sure about other models
     
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  24. BigT

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    yo homie, I don't know if this is still relevent to you, but I've owned a Star 2 for 15 years now, and its great. accurate as ever, 2 clamps, works like a charm...
     
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  25. siow_a

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    Not entirely true. The star 3 mount may not turn fully because the diabolo is in the way for some Star 2 machines. In other cases of the Star 2 the Star 3 mount turn fully around without removing the diabolo.
     
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  26. siow_a

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    Agree it is a very fast machine to string with ...more so than the star 5. Although the Star 5 is a nice machine in its own right. Star 4 is nice though, prized by many.
     
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  27. prostaff18

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    I feel like the Star 5 is much faster. I feel like the bases are faster to lock and the clamps move much better on the Star 5. Plus tension activation is very easy and I feel like putting the string in the gripper and activating tension is is a very natural motion. Also I love the 3 teeth clamps more than the older models. They are great...you only need to put the string in the teeth a little bit and it holds with no problem when adjusted correctly. I just think that the Star 2 is not even on the same planet as the Star 5. The Star 3 is one of the best machines ever! The Star 4 is great for the traveling tournament stringer because of the weight. I own a star 3 and Star 5 and if I had to string a racquet on one or the other I would pick the Star 5 100% of the time. I just cant fathom how you could think that the Star 2 is faster than the Star 5. I have strung on many different machines and to me the Star 5 ranks near the top as far as speed goes. I did string on a 5502 while I was in Europe last year for about 15mins at a shop I went into and I could tell from only that little bit of time that it was the fastest machine ever. They also had a 3002 and they let me use it and from only the 15mins on the 5502 I was waiting for the tension head to return on the 3002. But if your a good stringer you will be able to do good work at a good pace on any machine.

    But about mono-clamp machines: Some people swear by them. I have been told stories of stringers using mono clamp machines and just flying through racquets.
     
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  28. chrisplchs

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    The Star 2 pulling mechanism is faster than the Star 5. In fact, the Star 5 pulling head, while very technologically advanced, is quite slow compared to the any of the Star 2,3,4. In fact, the fastest pulling head is the Star 3 besides that of the 5502/3502. The disadvantages of the Star 2 are its mounting system and its age as repair parts are harder to come by. The Star 3 is a great machine and IS lighter than the Star 4, by some 10 pounds or so. The Star 4 is easier to travel because of its form factor and has the digital display and other cool gizmos. That said, I've been privileged to have never needed to bring my machine to pro tournaments as usually there is one of acceptable standards already there from the sponsors (Wilson, TF)
     
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  29. Richie Rich

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    yes, you are right. they don't fit exactly.
     
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  30. prostaff18

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    I know about the tension head speed but overall I feel that the Star 5 more than makes up for it. I have only used a Star 4 a few times so I'm not an expert with it by any means. But I did like it more than the Star 3 because of the display. I have taken my Star 5 to a few tournaments (nothing big) and the weight makes it hard. I also have a Star 3 but I prefer to use the Star 5. Do you think that the circular turntable is worth the extra weight? I would be just as happy with a turntable like the one found on the other machines.
     
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  31. chrisplchs

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    I by no means was disparaging the Star 5. I was stating what I saw and felt through use.

    See at first, I thought it was strange how a lot of big tournament stringers clung on to their Star 3 and then after stringing on that and the other Stars, I realized that the Star 3 was fastest and weighed the less. The Star 5 has great features, more than the Star 4 and far more than the Star 3. But then you start to realize certain aspects. A lot of stringers don't do knot overtension as it really does not matter for pros who often get one strung just to get a feel how the machine pulls and then makes adjustments. I've cut out lots of fresh stringing that I did two hours earlier because after practice, the players needed a tighter or looser because of the conditions and machine. Also, it is extremely, extremely rare for somebody to ask for machine pre-stretch, like I've had far more requests for pre stretch their ALU manually than all the machine prestretch requests. So right there, two features that a lot of people on these boards seem to be enamored (over tension button and machine prestretch) with are pretty much dead weight. Also, I like how the clamps hold but I really felt Babolat could do better on the design on the Star 5. On some racquets, the fatter teeth make it harder to clamp the crosses, especially near the end.

    I don't think its just the circular turntable that makes it weigh more but rather everything. The electronics and motor weigh more, the stand weigh more and legs weigh more. I think the complete Star 3 unit (turntable, electronics, stand and legs) weighed less than the Star 5 turntable and and electronics. If Babolat make the machine with the Star 4 formfactor but the Star 5 electronics and motor and the Star 3 weight and speed and priced it at 5k, I would be pissed at the price tag but still salivate and get one of those
     
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  32. max200G

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    Great idea!
    How do we convey this to Babolat so they will make it.
     
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  33. prostaff18

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    Thanks for your insight. I have been thinking of selling my Star 3. I am very apprehensive to do it right now. I travel to tournaments with my Star 5 and I put it in the back of my truck in a case that I made. If the cost of fuel goes any higher I will have to take my car so I will not have enough room for the Star 5. The Star 3 will be much easier to fit in my car. I have been looking at a certain Star 4 on the bay for this reason. My aunt lives close to it and she will bring it to me when she comes to visit in 2 weeks. I know what I can get for my Star 3 and it is more than the cost of the Star 4 on the bay. Also if someone is crazy about knot tension they could just manually increase tension then lower it back down on the Star 3. But about pre-stretch I have only gotten requests for it to be done...I will only use the machine if they put a percent. So I have only used the machine pre-stretch for my own racquets. If they did make the machine that you described I would fork up the cash for it. I think everyone would. Also what you said about the clamps being rather thick I can agree. For example today I was stringing a K6.1 and I had to clamp the last main on each side a few inches down the string because the clamp wouldn't fit with the frame and the support arm in the way. I could have made them fit closer without much of a problem but I didn't want to force anything. I was stringing with gut a high tension so I wanted to be as safe as possible.
     
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  34. siow_a

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    Thanks Chris...Couldn't have said it better myself. The Star 5 is a great machine but could lose some fat. Any good stringer can produce a consistent stringing job. The speed is part machine and mostly the techincian performing the job. Experience counts more than the stringing machines we are speaking of. I'll take a Star 2/3/4/5 any day. Depending on the jobsite, I may choose one over another. We are splitting hairs here. They are all nice, I strung on the 5 and have been on the fence about getting one, to replace my 2 and keeping my 3. They have pluses and minuses. Hate the clamp locking system on the 5 but like the teeth. I skip the prestretching feature myself. I like doing it by hand better....with a nice round post.
     
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