Babolat VS team/Alu power?

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  1. djoko4thewin

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    hey has anyone tried this combo, i'd like some feedback on what tension u used, the overall playability and how long it lasted you. Thanks.
     
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  2. texag01

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    That is the combo that is in Wilson Champion's Choice. Read the customer feedback.
     
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  3. Zhou

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    Maybe, but the Gut in Champ's Choice is said to lower quality than the gut sold separately.
     
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  4. djoko4thewin

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    yes, that's why i'm asking and the vs team is the best gut over the wilson one u get from champs choice even though it's made by same company.
     
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  5. Zhou

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    The VS gut is the same gut in the Wilson Gut packages not the same as in Champs choice.
     
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    nice hybrid but the lux looses tension much faster than the gut
     
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  7. djoko4thewin

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    yeah that's what i meant, sorry, that buying seperate is better as gut in champs choice is not as good. anyhow do u know much about this setup in terms of durability, as it's quite obvious the playability is excellent, otherwise pro's wouldn't use it.
     
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    i felt it to be not really soft but soft to me.
    i got good amount of spin
    for tension wise i strung mines at 67 so when it came to power i had to use my own power to help get the plow i needed.

    i would use this string more often but i felt like phts 17g/ vs team 17g was alot better.

    plus its too expensive :x
     
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  11. djoko4thewin

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    ok, so how long does this setup last?
     
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    Huh.............

    At last years Stringers Symposium the Head rep from Wilson and Luxilon told us that the string in Wilson's Champions Choice is indeed Bab VS team (Wilson NG) and Luxilon's AluR. The Babolat rep also confirmed this.

    We tested this hybrid setup and found the strings to compliment each other rather well. Nice power, control and spin depending on how you string it up (M x C) and what tension you use. The feel will also change based on the racquet head size and string pattern density.

    Durability especially depends on how you string it. NG in the mains and AluR crosses does not last as long as the other way around, as the AluR crosses chews through the NG mains especially if you hit heavy TS. Using string savers can help and just remember when taking care of NG, no extreme temp changes.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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    ok thanks alot. would it be better if u used alu power instead of rough to prevent the sawing? any idea how long it might last? in uk champs choice from stringer is £35 so it's expensive, but if it lasted me like 15-18 hours that would be good, that might sound ridiculous but i'm guessing.
     
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    Where abouts are you in the UK?
     
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  15. djoko4thewin

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    sussex, got any info on my question?
     
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    West or East Sussex?

    As for the string, what rqt you using, and whats your normal tension?

    Using ALU Power instead of rough would probably make the set up last a bit longer, bit its difficult to say how much longer.

    Regards

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    why u asking west or east? anyway it's east, plus i'v tried different strings from x1, tec poly spin and synthetic gut hybrid, pro hurricane, and recently red code/x1 which is quite good. but back to the original question how long do u think it may last with alu power?
     
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  18. uk_skippy

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    I asked out of curiousity, especially as Sussex isn't a county on its own any more. Plus If you'd been closer to me than I maybe able to have helped you out.

    Any, it'll be difficult to know how long it'll last if you dont' say what rqt you've got, especially as some are likely to be 16x19 patterns compared t 18x20, with the latter usually giving a more durable string life.
     
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  19. djoko4thewin

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    right sorry about that, thanks for trying to help me by asking where i live. i have a KBT which is 18x20 so as u said slightly better string life so from that u got any better idea of the string life of the combo i asked about, just roughly between x and y.
     
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    No probs

    I used the TF335 before my current stick and strung it with the same hybrid. I;d change strings in the summer about every month. That would be about 25-30 hrs depending on how much I played during the week. I almost play exclusively doubles, so I'd be hitting less balls. I also strung it with 3lbs difference between the gut and the ALU P. I never broke strings, but found the playability had gone during that month.

    So I'd say that you should get upto 20 hours out of the combo. The use of ALU Rough shouldn't make that much difference on life.

    Regards

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    thanks, just what i wanted to hear! what tension did u do the vs team/alu power at? u said 3lbs diff but what did u do it at? if u don't mind me asking. i'm just trying to find a good tension for this sort of hybrid. i used x1 with 55lbs but i guess this is a bit more powerful but not exactly sure, what do u think. Lastly have u tried alu rough? or just prefer power from the first time u tried it? very last, did u use string savers?
     
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  23. djoko4thewin

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    anyone out there who has tried or has knowledge of this hybrid.
     
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  24. StevenLaurence

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    Try Kirschbaum Spiky on the cross and string savors on everyother cross starting at the forth or fifth cross.
    Amazing Spin!
     
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  25. djoko4thewin

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    ok...Thanks.
     
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    Yes, I used many sets of this combo and like it a lot. I've tried it anywhere from 62/59 (in my current frame) down to 55/52 (in my previous frame), and it played well at both ends and everywhere in between...depending on which frame it's in. With the Lux in the mains, the durability before breaking is excellent, but the mains do go dead for me after about 8-12 hours of play. With the gut in the mains, the string job was playable longer, and was mainly limited by how long the gut lasted before breakage. For me that's also about 8-10 hours, but for many, gut will last longer than that. Also, I found the gut lasted longer in this hybrid than it does in a full gut set, probably due to the low friction of the Lux crosses. Personally, I preferred the gut in the mains, but could make an argument for either, depending on what you were trying to achieve in terms of feel, control, etc. Also, if you're worried about shock, feel or wear and tear on your arm, you might consider trying a VS Team/Alu Power Fluoro hybrid, which plays a bit softer. That's what I'm currently using, and I really like it.
     
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  27. Tombhoneb

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    Do you guys buy champions choice or buy the strings separately as there is not much difference in price ?
     
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    thanks LPshanet, do u use string savers?
     
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    I don't, but it's mostly just laziness. Those that use them seem to like them quite a bit. Since any poly goes dead after a set period of time anyway, I don't really feel the need to prolong the life of the string job by a few hours. Of course, I do my own stringing, so it's easier to be a bit cavalier about my restringing frequency.
     
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    ok thanks, how much does it cost u for one string job? plus what is your favourite tension that u use?
     
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    Hard to calculate, since I tend to buy the Lux Fluoro (or Alu Power) by the reel, so it depends a bit on how many string jobs I get from it, and how careful/tight I am about the lengths I cut. You can often get one more string job than expected per mini-reel if you calculate the lengths for your particular racquet exactly. As for the gut, I get that at Team prices from Babolat, so not a fair barometer.

    At retail prices, I'm guessing the strings should be about $26 per job, plus whatever the stringer charges. As for fave tension, I've been playing 62 in the mains, and 56-58 in the crosses lately.
     
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  32. djoko4thewin

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    Thanks LPshanet.
     
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    Cheers. Glad to help.
     
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  34. djoko4thewin

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    what's the real difference between alu/gut and gut/alu? first one more durability and 2nd more feel and playability?
     
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    great combo, used it 60/62 on a rds 001 mid 2008. got plenty of power and control and some spin. it lasted me 8-10 hours. alu/gut imo is a big waste of money. plenty of strings can do the job just as good. the first one is more feel/playabilty while the second one is duability. if you want to do the second one, gut prince lightning or any synthetic or multi will to guts job
     
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  36. Jackie T. Stephens

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    That sounds good but I strictly use Alu power for mains and crosses.
     
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    ok thanks. so gut/alu is the best one. but it's really expensive for 10 hours worth...like £35 in uk. is it really worth that...also was a tension of 60/62 good, i have a KBT, should i go lower?
     
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    i have my own power so it depends. if you can bring your own power use it. i only use it for tournaments, and i use x1 biphase in the mains for practice.
     
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    ok how long does that last you with x1/alu power? because that's kinda similiar to the setup were talking about just that it's cheaper and probaly more durable, plus obviously the better playability in the vs.
     
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    i can get about 18-20 which is unusual for me cuz i break strings frequently
     
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    that's quite good considering, what tension u use with that? plus does the alu saw the x1 or? (which goes first, obviously x1?)
     
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    Klip X-Plosive hybrid is a good $20 choice. Legend gut has more control than VS without jacking up the tension and K-Boom copoly plays softer than ALU. Check out the RSi review here
     
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    x1 goes first. i've beene experimenting with tensions but i usually use the same as gut/alu 60/62. th alu didn't saw that much
     
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  44. djoko4thewin

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    ok cool. sounds like a hybrid worth trying, a bit like a cheaper version of the champions choice one.
     
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  45. LPShanet

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    Whichever side (main or cross) you put it in, definitely string the Alu looser than the gut. In general, Lux should be strung at least 5% (and up to 10%) looser than conventional (multi or gut) strings to get the same feel.
     
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    ok thanks LPshanet
     
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  47. PED

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    If you are doing the x1/alu hybrid be aware of the very small life of that setup.:twisted:

    I've done it twice and the feeling is unbelievable but I only got 90 minutes out of job one and 2 hours 10 minutes out of job 2. This was on a PST with a 16X20 pattern.
     
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    crickey that's not much at all. i have a kbt so 18x20 might last longer but why does it last so short? would gut/alu last even shorter?
     
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  49. PED

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    The gut alu combo should last you around 12 to 15 hours depending on the gut. I've actually not used the combo yet but have it coming in this week. I've got a hard hitting buddy who used the klip legend gut crossed with CF and he was getting 15 hours out of it with string savers. It's steeper up front cost but it works out in long run. I'll report back when mine comes in. It should be here tuesday I hope.

    The x1/alu setup was the best I ever used. Control, spin power,,,,you name it. If it lasted longer, I'd still be using it but I can't justify that lack of durability.
     
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    ^^^^ PED - Exactly what set up will you be trying? Klip Legend mains and CF crosses? I'll be interested to read how it plays.

    I have been wanting to try VS mains and Alu Power Rough crosses (Federer set up) but haven't done so yet. With how much I love full Rough, I'm afraid the above mentioned hybrid will be way too powerful for my liking, but it is just one of those hybrids I really want to test.

    Take care.

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