"Babolats are for girls"

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  1. Edburger

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    I had a friend say this to me last week, when we were playing against a guy in doubles who was using Babolat (AeroPro Drive I think).

    Back when I was in university, Babolat did not have great reputation. Everyone say, they make shoddy quality light racquets for kids and girls.

    I thought that Nadal change that though. I know their racquets still light, but I thought that they were seen as legit brand now.

    Do Babolat still suffer from prejudice as a 'non-masculine' racquet?
     
  2. Sparky

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    I'll ask my daughter and her teammates who all use Babolats.

    I remember using Babolat head tape to protect my St Vincent PS85s back in the day. I thought they were a racquetball company back then. Shows you how ignorant I am.

    I am impressed by the quality of my daughter's Pure Drives.
     
  3. Shroud

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    Though I thought their pure storm ltd was playable, i think they do suffer in my head. Nadal uses a granny stick IMHO.
     
  4. Alex78

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    Yes, it's true, Babolats are for girls only.
    That's why only men who play like girls use Babolats. Best examples are Nadal, Tsonga, Janowicz, Verdasco, not to think about the sissies of the past, such as Moya or Roddick.
    But don't tell anyone, because they might get embarrassed!
     
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  5. Edburger

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    I am sorry. My English, not always so good. Perhaps, you misunderstand.

    My question not, are Babolats for girls?

    My question is, do Babolats still have image as being for girls?

    I think, a few players in this thread, show yes. Right or wrong, still stigma exists.
     
  6. Alex78

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    Hey, don't worry, that was just ironic. But if you look at how many players use Babs, they certainly don't have a reputation of being girlie sticks. And quality is subjective, after all. So I would laugh about such statements ;)
     
  7. ollinger

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    Such stereotypes are narrow minded, obsolete, and perhaps misogynistic. Besides, everybody knows Yonex is the chick stick.
     
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    Real men get Head.
     
  9. Seth

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    Thanks for that. -_-
     
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    Everyone has at least one stupid friend.
     
  11. Nostradamus

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    11.3 oz is not light. 9.5 oz is light. it gives you more power on serves. who doesn't want that ?
     
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    Head Graphene has become pretty powerful though
     
  13. slice bh compliment

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    That was funny.

    Brand perception is for poseurs who care about brand perception. Wait, is this thread euphemistically about gay marriage?

    Kidding.

    Since the late 90s, I never liked pure drives.
    Some men did. Many women did.
    Now they are popular with manly men and also with women.

    I have always like pure controls, storms and aerostorms. Some women did. Most men did. Now they are fairly popular. Probably more with men and with manly women.

    The pure strike and pure strike tour is well-liked by both genders.

    Wilsons, dunlops, heads and volkls are for real men. Not really. Maybe just some models. Depends on the specs.

    I think most of us get that. But a lot of people buy into the culture of perception still. Poseurs.
    It is kind of like the fanboy culture. Weak. But prevalent.
     
  14. kingcheetah

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    I think it comes down to how you play with the racquet, and which babolat it is specifically. My teammate that uses an aero pro always jokes that a 5 year old girl can play well with it... I actually enjoy that racquet a fair amount. In my books, the pure drive is a granny stick just because it plays like a rocket launcher. However babolat also makes frames like the pure strike tour which is far from a stereotypically "feminine" racquet.
     
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    Don't know where you're from, but I've played in a lot of different areas from Hawaii, to the East Coast (just moved around a lot), and this is the first time I've ever heard of Babolat associated as a Girl's racket. Yonex, yes, but never Babolat.

    Maybe your friend got beaten consistently by Babolat wielding players, and thought, "The added power a Babolat gives, is meant for girls, but in the hand of a man, it's unstoppable, and the only reason I lose to those guys.":)
     
  16. slice bh compliment

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    When i was a kid, two handed backhands were for petite girls.
    Now, they are the norm, even for large, strong men.
     
  17. newpball

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    Hahaha :grin:
     
  18. torpantennis

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    Heavy 12+ oz. racquets? Best for lazy azzes, who cannot swing out. Allows depth without full stroke. :twisted:
     
  19. degrease

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    Ha ha very good
     
  20. Sparky

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    Lol. Too funny.
     
  21. PDR

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    Well its actually harder to tame the power of a tweener I think. It takes hard work and talent to swing out and utilise the power and controlling slices and flat shots of an APD or pd.
     
  22. Shroud

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    So now the pros are lazy?
     
  23. robok9

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    Only Fognini. Oh look, he uses a Babolat :)
     
  24. Hi I'm Ray

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    Haha, people can be so narrow minded and insecure
     
  25. slice bh compliment

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    Well said.
    Wait, are we still talking about tennis racquets?
     
  26. Shroud

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    Good one! robok
     
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    LMAO !!!!!!!
     
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    Hand him a Pure Storm Tour plus, and see how girly he finds the 350 swingweight flexy 21mm box beamed racquet.

    The Aeropro drive isn't even that powerful, it's only slightly more powerful than a Speed!
     
  29. torpantennis

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    Pros would much rather play with 300-320SW, if they didn't have to deal with incoming heavy balls. At rec levels, NTRP 2.5-4.5, the swingweight should go up with level, about 2.5/300SW to 4.5/320. And this is ONLY due to stabilization against heavier and heavier strokes of the opponents. Then at top pro level, a 360SW is required to stabilize the racquet against the pro strokes.

    A rec player using 360-380 SW? Good for bunting the ball back with the mass of the racquet, and with a lazy footwork, nothing else. If a rec player can REALLY swing out 360+ SW consistently, with proper footwork and preparation, the pro circuit is awaiting. Good luck with the new profession!
     
  30. RUC

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    Never heard anyone state such rubbish.......some folks do not like the super stiff and lighter sticks but men have been using them from the get go. And just look around any club, juniors, university and on the ATP tour and Babolat is everywhere.
     
  31. SFrazeur

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    What racquet does your friend play with?
     
  32. Edburger

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  33. mrmike

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    Tell that to "Stan the man" :)
     
  34. OTMPut

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    Actually its the otherway around: as men get older they use Head more to compensate!
     
  35. Shroud

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    You might be right. I will alert my family!

    Funny thing is that my setup is low powered and I HAVE to swing out. My bunt shots are not what you think they would be...

    If I dont tame it I will spray it.
     
  36. TimothyO

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    How can Babolat be considered not "masculine"? After all, Stosur plays with the Pure Storm.

    Badda Bing!

    :D

    OTOH, they are competing with the likes of Wilson who is backed by the very masculine Serena. I would say that Wilson is the more "masculine" brand except for the fact that Roger is in their camp.

    :D
     
  37. GuyClinch

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    Obviously you know some hacker who uses a heavy racquet and thus you have developed some hate. But what you are saying is not really true.

    #1) Heavy racquets are often head light so they don't necessarily have more power then a lighter head heavy racquet.

    #2) Heavy racquets are often flexible - so it takes a bigger swing to put more pace back into the ball.

    #3) Strings matter - some people use Poly on their heavier racquet which tames power.

    #4) racquet choice should depend on the strength of the individual. Very strong men should be using heavier racquets because they will be able to make good use of the weight.
     
  38. Shroud

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    I think I am the hacker in question :)

    All that above is true in my case though maybe the racket being flexible part.

    Though I dont think I am strong at all really. I can just handle the weight. FWIW I had a racket that had a 412sw I believe and hit fine with it.
     
  39. torpantennis

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    That hacker is my former self. :lol:

    Then I found a great coach, and got rid of the stupid faith of heavier is better. I was at one point around 376g/380SW, and my goto spec was 360g/360SW. It felt great. The truth was, it felt great because I had technical problems with my strokes, that the coach highlighted. After the coach has improved my technique, I have enough stability at 315g/310SW.

    I can now see why the heavier racquets felt better before: They covered the bad technique! Mass kinda still made sure that I got ok strokes, even if I hit off sweet spot. Now I can hit sweet spot all the time, and don't need the mass anymore.
     
  40. Shroud

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    Interesting.

    I tried light rackets and they just feel hollow even when you hit the sweetspot. Once my coach let me hit with his Head Prestige (not sure the exact one). I was receiving his serve and I hit an immediate service winner. It was a great shot. It felt like crap. Tinny and hollow.

    How do you fix that without weight?
     
  41. torpantennis

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    Stock Prestige is indeed hollow. Very small sweet spot. I know because I own one!

    My current light 315g/310SW racquet is a cheapo 102 sq.in. 16x19 Yonex. It doesn't feel hollow at all. Maybe the open pattern and 23/26/22 beam width play a role? Or the Yonex head shape?

    Edit: LOL. Sorry, just cannot read. Maybe I should get some sleep!
     
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  42. SFrazeur

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    That's what I figured. He's a snob.
     
  43. Overdrive

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    I bet Babolat Official looked at the title of this thread, and rolled his eyes.
     
  44. Shroud

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    FWIW its all the modern sticks I have tried. Stock they all suck. Most get better with weight, but are STILL hollow feeling.

    So this modern light racket, high RHS just doesnt seem to overcome the hollow feeling at least for me.
     
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    I enjoyed checking out this thread- Babolats are for girls... I love it! The name alone sounds girly...
     
  46. NLBwell

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    Actually, I believe Babolat initially believed the Pure Drive would be most popular with women (heavier Pure Control or whatever for men) and were surprised at how well it caught on with guys. Once Roddick and Moya were seen with them (and then Nadal later) they were very popular with the guys.
     
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    If Babolat is for girls tell that to the Div 1 men I know that have their entire teams using Babolat. :razz:

    -Fuji
     
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    Anything remotely French is aimed at women and metros.
     
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    Men are allowed to use them if they have medium long or long hair.
     
  50. slice bh compliment

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    Haha. Not dignifying it with a response. On the other hand, the guy seems to have a good sense of humor, so he ought to cruise by and have some fun here.
     

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