Backhand volley one or two hands?

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  1. chatt_town

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    So we were looking at an article in a tennis magazine(forget which one but Djokivic is on cover). They are actually trying to sell this idea that it's okay. I think it's directed mostly at women that volley with two. I've never seen a man with a two hand backhand volley with two hands. My wife was trying to make a case for it but I still think it's a draw back. What do you all think and why?
     
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    Since I only play with a 1hbh, I volley with 1 hand as well.
     
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    Don't get it? Unless its a backhand drive volley it sould be a 'punch' shot - no real take back or swing, so why the need for two hands? I can only think of negatives as to why you shouldn't or wouldn't do this.

    Physically weaker players or kids - I suppose maybe...but there was never a need when we played with heavy wood, so why now?

    I've always hit a 2hbh but have never volleyed with two hands - its too slow, cumbersome and severely limits your reach. Seriously, how could you hit a high backhand volley with two hands and hope to make the shot, much less control it.

    My opinion only - but I think its a bad idea.
     
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    Exactly!!! That was my point to her when I said that the article is directed to women. Pretty much no man vollies with two hand whether they hit with one or two hands. I couldn't imagine after all these years after volleying with 1 hand trying to go from one on the forehand side to putting my second on on the backhand side. That is pointless and makes no sense to me. I think the magazine is called "Tennis Magazine".

     
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    In the article they swear it gives you more control which I also don't believe. I just don't think you have time be changing grips once you get inside the service box. I use the same grip for the backhand and forehand volley. anytime I run into a woman that likes to go back and forth I just rotate the volley to both sides and some times even on purpose put the backhand volley up high and chances are it gets shanked or hit out. I can't believe they allowed the article to be published in that kind of magazine.


     
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    1HBH volleys all the way. The range/reach on a 1HBH is better while maintianing balance in case the volley comes back. I can't believe people would even have the time to get a 2HBH set up when they're up at net.
     
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    one handed backhand for sure the only tennis player i've seen do it with 2 handed was marion bartolli and it's so ugly to watch anyways bartolli plays with her 2 handed in every single aspects of tennis except on serve! she has a 2 handed forehand! come on what is that? i know she's playing so well these days but i don't like her playing style at all! anti-tennis and she's also never rush the net! and she WON the tokyo open like that! what happening with the wta??? if you make bartolli running she's GONE! she has no breath!
     
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    There are actually quite a few WTA players who have been very successful in doubles winning slams/top 10 rankings that have 2HBH volleys.

    I actually do know a male that volleys with 2 HBH that is a strong player for his level 4.0.
     
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    David Snyder has the best 2h bh volley I've ever seen. Just saying...
     
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    I use one hand 99% of the time. But on occasions where I get jammed with a hard body shot and I don't have time to step in, I have kept a second hand high on the grip, almost on the throat.

    Put it this way. You know how you use your off hand to switch grip / support the racket as you prepare for a one handed backhand or in the ready position? There have been times where I've been rushed and ended up keeping that second hand on the racket. It's not pretty and I usually just manage to deflect the ball over the net.
     
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    I think I saw Florian Mayer volleys with two hands against Nadal at Shanghai. I don't watch him play much, but it looked like he used a few 2 handed volleys.

    Melzer also uses two hands when he slices which is quite awkward, I don't know if I've ever seen him use 2 handed volleys, but his game is so funky it wouldn't surprise me.
     
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    Wow!

    Still struggle to imagine using two hands for a volley a the net with someone blasting passing shots at me, but I can now see how it's possible for someone else to do it.

    Regardless, a two handed volley will severely limit your reach, so whilst I can now see how it would work for close volleys, anything wide would be very, very difficult but maybe not entirely impossible!
     
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    I think you missed it...

    ...that's a drill for keeping the swing stable on the backhand volley. Once you've got it wired, you can go back to one hand. Having said that, I think it's okay, but no optimal, to use two hands on the BH volley. If you're more comfortable with 2 hands, or it gives you more strength and stability, then fine. I just think it's likely to take more time than a one handed, and reduce your reach. Note, however, that we're talking about the stroke itself. In the ready position, the off hand should be on the throat, where it can help guide the (short) backswing on either side. It comes off the throat when you make the actual stroke...unless you like a two handed BH volley...
     
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    No real difference.
     
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    there is some exceptionnal case. Don't forget than one of the best nhl hockey goalie dominic hasek was able to stop the puck with his jaw!:shock:
     
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    Use what your arms and shoulders allow you to punch with CONTROL
    For years, the best volleyer in the world was FrewMcMillian. GeneMayer, another doubles specialist, used 2hbh volleys only.
    JimmyConnors, while on his way to No.1, used 2hbh volleys, then slowly switched to 1hbh.
    Just like 2hbh groundies, it's not one over the other, it's which you prefer.
    Didn't CaraBlack, in her demonstration of volleying on a wall use 2hbh volleys?
     
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    Awesome, yes.
    But Cara uses a 1hfh volley in tennis matches.
     
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    Connors, Davydenko, Santoro use two handed volleys. Santoro I think is one of the most underrated volleyers in recent memory. Because his groundstrokes had no power, he finished most of his offensive points at the net with some astonishing two handed volleys.
     
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    I have seen Marion Bartoli volley with one hand when the ball is below net level. Even she knows better than to use two hands on an approach volley.

    Anyway, I am here to tell you that women (even women with 2HBH) can hit a 1HBH volley.

    I think the 2HBH is a severe liability. Oh, sure. It's fine when the ball is high over the net and you're right on top of the net. It's almost completely useless for balls below the net, touch volleys, deep approach volleys, sharply angled volleys, body shots, and BH overheads.

    I also think my friends who volley with 2HBH use the second hand as a substitute for using their legs and forward momentum to generate pace. There's an awful lot of backswinging that happens when you use 2H and are used to hitting a 2HBH groundstroke.
     
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    I think you better check out some vids of FrewMcMillian, GeneMayer, and JimmyConnors volleying. They all hit good approach volleys, can dig out half volleys easily with depth and control, and have great 2hbh overheads.
    I'd bet that Frew could have easily volleyed with anyone in the world currently or past.
    And CaraBlack is using a 2 handed volley! Nobody can do it with one hand.
     
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    I have recently switched from a 2hbh volley to a 1hbh volley, being a 2hbh groundstroke player. After using both for an equal amount of time (though still working on the 1hbh volley), I can say that the 1hbh volley is easier to use for shots that are somewhat difficult/very difficult to get, such as low volleys or volleys that require a lateral leap to the left or right to stretch and reach a passing shot. Any shot that was fairly within range and required little mobility was easier with a 2hbh for me.

    Though, in a normal match situation, you won't often receive an easy volley. I often have to dig out a volley or stretch to volley in a match, so 1hbh was actually feasible for matches, but the 2hbh could rarely do me good in match situations (where it all matters)
     
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    Personally speaking, I've never been involved in a match or seen a match where every volley is basically a diving full stretched get.
    Possibly 3 out of 4 volleys, IF your approach shot or serve sucks, but not many more. More likely, playing an almost equal level player, the majority of volleys are well within reach of any 2hbh or 2hFh volley. And the advantage of the 2handed volleys is that you can get more weight behind your shot, more wrist, more arm, more shoulder, whatever, so the passing shot becomes weaker and less accurate!
    And if you can't bend to hit a 2hbh low or half volley, what do you do with your 2hbh GROUNDIE? You can bend, or you can let go and hit 1hbh! :shock::shock:
    Now if your 2hbh volley is weak and tentative, then it doesn't count, does it?
    Certainly some of us can volley weak and tentatively with a ONE HANDED volley.
     
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    well David is the G.O.A.T to ever come out of the Chattanooga area. lol


     
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    I guess my next question is since I'd never find any reason to have two hands on the raquet is this. So how do most people even hit a two hand backhand or how are your hands positioned on the raquet? The reason I asked is this. I using a 1 hand rotate the raquet from one grip to another when hitting a backhand...however, when I'm inside the service box I have one grip for both my forehand and backhand volley. So I'm trying to figure out how do you keep rotating back and forth volley after volley. It seems impossible to do. It would seem and I've often done this all you have to do is keep hitting back and forth to each side until they are late rotating and eventually hit the volley into the net. Can someone explain the backhand volley grip? Is it the same as a backhand ground stroke grip? If so, how do you handle this?


     
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    Huh?
    Everyone who volleys uses a conti grip for 1hv's.
    For 2hv's, Frew, Jimmy, and Gene used double conti. EddyDibbs and HaroldSolomon used rightie SW, lefty E, but they weren't known as doubles specialists (they did play doubles almost every tournament).
    JohnNewcombe and Becker used conti with a slight forehand flavor.
    There is no grip change when you're standing inside the service line.
     
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    Funny, I've been using two hands for some backhand volleys for the past month or so. I feel like I get a little more precision on my aim and the shot feels more solid. I only use it on select shots where I have time to set up, not on reaction shots or shots where I have to reach.
     
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    Like 2hbh groundies, a 2hbv involves your whole body, so you stay solid, you have double the grip and control of a 1hbv, and your volleys SHOULD be strong and more precise.
    And like a 2hbh groundies, you LET GO when the ball is too far to reach with 2hbv
     
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    I have a problem of taking my arm back way too much, and that is really my big weakness. My coach says I still make volleys like that because I have "great hands", which I do, but anyway IMO 2 hands helps quite a bit.
     
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    I can see how it would be more stable, but I would have to practice a ton to be able to play 2HBH volleys. Of course, I was originally a racquetball player so I use one hand on all strokes naturally.
     
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    You have to practice a TON to learn any new stroke, from a real AmericanTwist to a solid backhand overhead which can go CC, DTL, or short angled.
    Gotta consider. The NUMBER ONE men's pro doubles player from around '73-77 used a double conti 2hbv AND 2hfv volley.
    GeneMayer, around the later '70's, also used 2hbv volleys, and he was a top 10 doubles player on tour.
    One JimboConnors, for year during his rise to NUMBER ONE, used 2hbv volleys.
    Since almost all top doubles players have stonger forehand volleys than 1hbv, I can see something is on the horizon.
    Yes, Edberg might have had a better 1hbv.
     
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    There is no grip change when you use two hands on the backhand volley. Your right hand is continental on both shots. Since you have a one handed backhand, you might not be aware that on the two handed backhand, the right hand rotates over to continental.

    I have tried two hands on the backhand volley in practice, but I always go back to one hand in matches. Two hands has some advantages and disadvantages. You lose reach, but nothing says you can't go to one hand if you are stretched out. It gives you more stability, you can move the racquet into position faster, and it makes it easier to defend a body shot. You can also swing at high backhand volleys, turning a hard shot into an easy one.

    Another thing I like is that when you stand ready with two hands on the racquet, as you prepare for a forehand volley, the left hand naturally moves with the racquet even though it is letting go. That forces a better shoulder turn, which leads to a better forehand volley.

    I just started playing with an old favorite racquet, the Prince Graphite Longbody. It is 28 in long, flexible, and 12 pts head light. Might be a good racquet to use on the two handed backhand volley.
     
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    thanks...that's exactly the answer I was looking for. so there is no change of the grip from the conti...you just add your other hand.

    Thanks,


     
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    Have you ever seen that amazing video with Cara Black hitting two-handed on BOTH sides? This girl's reflexes are unreal!!! Here's the vid.
     
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    It's funny we are discussing this. I was joking with my doubles partner for this weekend's tourney in Birmingham about our conversation here. How about he tells me and another guy he volley with two hands on the backhand. After today I think he will be trying to learn how to use one hand. He went out and tried to do that in this 4.0 doubles tourney and he got hit in the chest with an overhead after leaned over and tried to volley a ball off his backhand that had dipped below the net. The guy hit him squarely in the chest. Then in the second set he did it again and got hit with another overhead in the shoulder. After seeing this I'm more convinced that it is useless especially in Men's tennis. Exactly what I figured would happen did. He was late getting his raquet prepared from forehand to backhand volley. He just saw how much faster the ball would be coming.


     
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    Like JRstriker12, I sometimes volley with two hands on the backhand side if I get jammed--but I just keep the left hand on the throat to add stability.

    This usually happens when my opponent and I are exchanging volleys at close range and I don't have time to do much beyond get the racket in front of the ball.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind with a volley: Compared with a ground stroke where the racquet sweeps more around the player's body through and arc, the compact move of the racquet in a typical volley (a good one) is more linear as the racquet descends forward through the ball. Lots of the control of that shot depends on that racquet movement, which is more straight through the ball than with a stroke.

    With two hands on the racquet, the only way you can move it through the ball is by turning your shoulders, flipping the racquet with your wrists, or by using deliberate footwork to carry you forward. Since you're holding the racquet while moving forward, the racquet moves, too. That's where the energy comes from with pretty much any solid volleying technique, so I'd say that if you try this technique, good footwork is essential to make it work.

    Can the two-hander work well? Oh yeah! I've been toasted plenty by a young lady with a remarkable two-handed backhand volley that I sometimes get to play against. Pretty sure that she used to play college tennis at BU, so I should also add that she has especially good footwork and movement to help with this shot. Two hands can be clutch when fighting off a ball with a reaction volley, but I still also agree that this volley style is limited.

    With proper forward weight transfer through the backhand volley, I believe that the one-handed technique compounds the racquet's movement through contact while maintaining the proper orientation of the racquet face (slightly laid back). That means a greater potential for zip on those volleys along with more directional control... and touch.

    While I understand what our pal Nellie was getting at, I could also argue that a two-handed style would often encourage more active wrists through the shot, since there's more leverage available. That could make for lots of bad volleys, but good guidance and decent technique can make that volley work.
     
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    The one thing two handers seem to lack is slice. They can block well, but their volley ball often sits up due to lack of slice.

    It's weird. Everyone knows a slice BH groundstroke is done with one hand. Why is there any debate that the best slice volleying is done with 1H?

    Don't get me started on how awkward a 2HBH volley is when you are deep in the court and moving forward . . . .
     
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    Fuzz,

    That was very informative...thanks. I think the main thing you touched on that was a key for him was his foot work. He would never bend his knees or move his feet and I hardly ever saw him turn his shoulders. The volley always seem to also be getting in on him as if he were jammed. When the match was over one of the guys on the other side(not knowing about this or me and my partner's conversation) told me that they went after him specifically because of his volley technique. I guess instead of saying it's totally useless I should be saying that I think it hinder's you when the other two on the other side volley with one...assuming you all are the same level. Obviously a college player or a pro player that vollies with two is going to have a better all around game than two players with 1 handers that play 4.0. If all 4 of you are 4.0 or even 4.5 and one has a two hand backhand volley....I know I'd work you over and I'm sure I'd get burned on some occasions but I like my chances over the course of say 10 matches. I just think one hand is more efficient.

     
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    I think Fuzz said it best...most two hand backhand vollies are going to lose at the net with two people with 1 hand. Like yesterday, you just don't have the reaction time to be going back and forth. Also, balls that they block back with two hands could in many cases be stabbed with one if you had not taken the time to put the left hand on the raquet.

     
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    The Article was written by Nick B... do we have to add anything else??
     
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    LOL...so you saying there is some substance to it or you think it's horse ****.

     
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    I've read the article, and I think it is being taken out of context in this thread.

    The advice being given is very specific to those that are struggling with 1HBH volley because either (1) they don't have enough forearm/grip strength to maintain stability when hitting the volley one-handed, or (2) they don't feel comfortable volleying one-handed with a continental grip (meaning that they have to switch to backhand grip for 1HBH volley).

    In this case, they may be better off trying a 2HBH volley. More stability, and does not require grip change on dominant hand.

    For anyone else, I think everyone would agree that a 1HBH volley is generally preferable. (Although there are always exceptions of course - some very good players over the years have had a 2HBH volley.)
     
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    Horse..s... etc
     
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    Is this the same Nick B. who advised older players to stand in no man's land?

    Cindy -- who doubts Nick has any idea what advice is being handed out under his name
     
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    I'm not really crazy about him either...

     
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    damn...when did he say that and for what reason? Hook me up with a link. I'll search for it as well.


     
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    I'm not so sure about that--you're making quite a generalization. Kind of like saying "most" 1HBHs will lose a cross court rally with a 2HBH. I recall a few posts ago you said you'd never put two hands on a racquet, and you didn't even know what grip people with 2HBHs use.

    I'd say most quick exchanges at the net will be won by the player with better hands, technique, and anticipation. How each individual achieves those things can vary greatly.
     
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  50. chatt_town

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    I wouldn't put two hands on the raquet. I played baseball for a long time and too much like batting left handed to me. It just appears to be time consuming to me. I'd like to get someone at the net just for practice and we just sit there and exchange vollies and see just how many times they win that exchange going from backhand to forehand. I won't say I'd never lose. I'd just like to see someone do that. Not just with me but with any two players on the same level. Two 4.0's Two pros....two 4.5's etc...o...and for the record...a one hander would always win cross court with a two hander...just ask Fed or Sampras. :) I'm just kidding with the last statement...I'm biased with the one hander. lol

     
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