Backing up your players acceptable?

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  1. wrxinsc

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    you are certainly persistent. good on ya!
     
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    My coach says hitting someone is part of the game but the fact I said "get ready for a f*king sore chest" means that there was intent in my actions he says that is what in his mind I shouldn't have done.. I feel that you can argue I was giving him a warning which in a way was better sportnamsnship than just tagging him?

    I forgot to add one of my other young players saw me do that and a few points later he deliberately foot faulted (walked into the service line to smack a serve) to try and achieve a similar result from what I can gather.
     
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    as far as i can tell, your desire to achieve this end was enlighten by the circumstances. anyone having the, let's say misguided idea, that they can 'say things' about the family of a team mate of mine would have met with an offer for a more serious injury. your manner was such to play it out in sport. for that i applaud you. really. and esp. so if you have the skill set to get it done and win to boot. oh and your coach is right. conflicting I know. welcome to life in sport.
     
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    The only thing that whiffed was the grammar and sentence structure.
     
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    It is actually quite hard to hit someone in the face especially intentionally since it is higher than where you normally hit the ball and in general pretty agile. I've seen people hit in the face a few times but almost never on a direct shot. It does hurt though. The far more common place is a bit lower which in truth hurts a lot worse. I actually got hit by a lady in mixed there a few weeks ago and was so embarrassed I just continued to play.

    Unfortunately this is kind of how all sports are even non-contact sports like tennis. Hitting the ball at someone is legal no matter what your motivation is. There is risk in all sports and I think if you are unwilling to get hit by a tennis ball than maybe you are playing the wrong sport.
     
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    If you are able to dot people with a ball anywhere you want at will, you should be FAR above rec league.
     
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    For you to know that it would have to come from personal experience.
     
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    Actually not, but I have tried to hit people on many other occasions and know the higher you aim the harder it is. In the vast majority of cases it was to win the point or for fun, but I have also done it for other reasons in a few cases, as I am guessing many others have as well.

    I'm a bit more careful now that I am a bit older and play with some people who aren't as quick but have no regrets for aiming at people in doubles other than women. Although I might rethink that a bit in the future as the last two ladies I played against handle pace quite well.
     
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    indeed. at higher levels of mixed it is much more like the normal flow of dubs. at lower levels there is a natural (understandable) issue with targeting the lady for any particular point. personally i just don't do it, which causes some conflict with some mixed partners of mine periodically. we will usually find work arounds together however.
     
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    Tennis is not a contact sport, but there is a mano-a-mano aspect to it. There is one basic rule for dealing with jerks in any sport, whether they be someone trashtalking or some cheap shot artist. You can never show any reaction. I have been elbowed in the gut so hard playing basketball I thought I would puke, but I never gave off any indication I felt it. I have had the crap knocked out of me on late, blindside hits in football. You get up and make sure you still have your mouthpiece. The alternative is to fight, but that means getting kicked out of the game, which may be what the cheap shot artist is looking for. And it's always the guy who retaliates who gets caught, never the instigator.

    I have never encountered anyone trashtalking at tennis, but if I did, I would ignore them or maybe give them an F-you. Don't let them take you out of your game, which is of course their objective.

    Beyond a certain level, maybe 3.0, if you get hit it's your fault or your partner's fault. Going at an opponent is a legitimate play. If it bothers you, find another sport or stay at the baseline. If you're at the net, you can expect to be tested.

    Now if an opponent turns their back, it's not cool to drill them, and if you do, you can definitely expect attempts at payback.
     
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    People are trying to derail this conversation to make it about whether it is OK to hit someone within the normal course of match or about whether people should expect to occasionally get hit. That isn't at all the point. The thread is about whether it is OK to try and intentionally hit someone in the chest with a ball because you don't like what they said to your partner.
     
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    I question the truthfulness of the OP because to threaten to hit someone in the chest and then to actually have the skill to do it the very first shot is not very believable. Furthermore, I've never come in contact with any opponents, or even heard a story of opponents who act in the manner the OP is suggesting. Another reason to doubt the story.
     
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    Yes, it is perfectly acceptable to hit someone in the chest with a tennis ball on a legal shot for what they said to your partner or any other reason.
     
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    Only if this is an English class... otherwise, you missed the sarcasm.

    By the way, I think using the grammar and sentence structure card for a forum post is a top 3 troll tactic, and usually employed by those who can't back their own POV. Try again troll.
     
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    I'm not correcting grammar for the sake of it, I pointed it out as the obvious reason the post in question was misinterpreted. The sentence is impossible to understand by a logical person. It may have made perfect sense to you.
     
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    I think it would be universally accepted that intentionally hitting an opponent in the chest because you were upset that your boss gave you a poor performance review would make you a total D bag. Intentionally hitting an opponent in the chest because they are beating you would make you a total D bag. But I guess it was really generous of you to let everyone here know where you fall on the D bag scale.
     
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    I think grammar and spelling trolling is lame for an internet forum. A lot of posts are done on smart phones. Tablets. So it is very easy to have mistakes.
    That being said. I would actually welcome some trash in a doubles match. I would respond with so much trash talk and running commentary it would make the game epic.

    Hit someone with a ball because of some words? Lmao. No need to. Its not that serious. Its like a pack of roving adult usta rec team middle aged men trying to be ganster and representing your hood. Lmao.
     
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    So insulting someone in the opposition with some vulgar language and insulting the family makes them a saint that should go unpunished?

    Great values there... Look as Captain I always try and play in the spirit of the game and encourage my players to do the same but I will also back up my players we copped a lot when we played this team away so I felt it was right to give it back.
     
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    Of course you need to punish them. There is a code of the streets. The ganster code. I would of stabbed the guy with a shank I made with my backup racket. Stuff get real real fast for that punk. This would never happen in a prison tennis court because the guy would know my boys got my back and he would not dare talk bout my mama.
     
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    This is the tennis gang to fear in my neck of the woods. Stephone's Stringers. If you see this symbol flashed, you know you are in for it.
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    LOL.

    This is what you miss out on in country club tennis.
     
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    whats even less well known is that gosen's OG micro tennis string is actually developed for prison tennis. Its cheap and very easily made into a small sharp weapon if twisted together. The OG stands for "Original Gangster"
     
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    In my opinion it is completely ridiculous to escalate something to a physical level because of vulgar language in anything but the most extreme circumstances. But then again my ears are not so sensitive that vulgar words make me lose my mind so maybe I just can't relate to others in this thread.

    If the other team is talking trash and you want to speak up and talk back then go for it. But deciding to make it a physical confrontation is just the completely wrong way of going about it. You are the one that is crossing the line.
     
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    I asked you directly what was said, you gave some nebulous answer, and now you are saying it was vulgar and insulting the family. I have to call BS on your post.



     
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    Could you please produce your "D bag" scale, there are regional variances for them. Your D bag scale may be "universally accepted" in your USTA section but be the opposite in others having different traditions. D bags in one area may be considered heroes in others depending on varying geo-political, socio-economic, and environmental factors. In the interest of transparency and out of respect for diversity, one must be careful not to stereotype making general assumptions about the D bag scale, it is always in flux.
     
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    I intentionally hit the ball at players, and on occasion it hits them in the chest, arm, leg, nuts, foot, etc. but I don't intentionally try to hit them, but I do want to back them off the net, make them nervous, make them not want to poach etc. Is that a douchy play in your opinion?

     
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    Not at all. That isn't what this thread is about.
     
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    Using proper grammar is something that should be actively encouraged. It is just rude causing needless confusion.

    If you are good enough to nail me on my chest, go right ahead. I don't care what your motivation is.
     
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  30. arche3

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    Yes proper grammar should be used. But most of the time it is used as follows on ttw:

    Poster1:
    I challenge the idea that strings slide and help with spin

    Poster 2:
    Strings do not slide because you didn't use a period at the end of your sentence and thats why I'm smarter and right.
     
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    word

    (oh **** i need more characters on my internet forum)
     
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    These country clubs peeps don't know how it goes down in da hood son son.
     
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    Oh SNAP...no more Mr. Nice GuY!!...amirrite????


    Did you dunk his head in the cooler and say "Chill Out" next?

    Seriously though, is this an excerpt from a teen tennis dramedy screenplay? Cause I bet it would sell.
     
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    What are the chances the very next point he hits a smash into his chest? The next point?
     
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    You got me....this reminds me of that story.....with the girthy gentleman....and the team....and putting the worst player on court 1 or whatever.....who was that?
     
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    That was pretty funny. Reminds me of 1980's Arnold movies, especially in Predator where he throws a knife through a guy's chest and says, "Stick around."
     
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    Ttwarrior. He was a high school coach. Stacked his lineup. Got in a fight with the other coach. Kids took him to ihop or something.
     
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    Most of the roving gangs of USTA middle aged men in my area are WEARING hoods... and mittens.... to walk from their car to the club. Is that the same?
     
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    Right! Warrior, haha. Hilarious that story. That guy and the op should collaborate on this teen tennis dramedy.
     
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    Yes. Its similar.
     
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    For the record, I haven't intentionally hit someone other than in a joking fashion since I was in high school, and even back then it was rare. It just doesn't serve that much of a purpose. I have no issue if someone tries to hit me though assuming my back isn't turned as it is a part of the game. I am a bit heavy and going at me is probably an effective shot in many cases.

    Hitting a man doesn't register too high on my D-Bag scale. Being a afraid of getting hit by a tennis ball and complaining about it on the other hand ...
     
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    Huh. Did not know they were:

    A) in a gang

    B) a bunch of bad a sses


    I bet they talk trash too! Like:

    -Your grandchildren are ugly
    -I can fix it so you need a knee brace on BOTH legs
    -Keep it up and you won't have to worry about Social Security running out of money

    Shiver......
     
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    Did Tom join this gang and then take them all to his mamas house?
     
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    So you lost 4-0 just because they hit balls to you and used foul language?

    Sure.......:rolleyes:

    And no, two wrongs do not make a right.

    And have you ever heard of the words "role model"?
     
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    Did you read the OP entirely?? It wasn't just trash talk, he said the opponents were also trying to hit people intentionally.

    As for myself, if someone is running their mouth at me, or about me, while I'm playing, and I get the chance to drill them, I'm going to. It's obviously bad sportsmanship on their part, and maybe they'll learn their lesson. If not, it can be repeated.
     
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    That's assuming I am not trying to drill them already....


    which I am

    Sweep the Leg! Kobra Kai!
     
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    Yes I did. His exact quote was "So today one of their players started trash talking one of my young players. He was my partner I went up to the net and said "get ready for a sore f**king chest" next point I hit a smash straight into his chest and didnt apologise". Nothing at all about his opponents trying to hit someone intentionally. The OP is the one who completely crossed the line.
     
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    I definitely back up my players 100%. Last week, some geezer was trash talking my partner, so I put my bag on his bench so he couldn't sit down. That shut him right up!
     

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