Ballinbob's New Backhand!! (vid)

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Ballinbob, Jan 18, 2009.

  1. LeeD

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    Good stuff, BBill. His follow thru goes too far to his right, so he must not have much of a shoulder turn. I guess :shock:
    For GeeWillikers... nope, it's for real. I'm a surfer. I live 3 blocks from OceanBeachSanFrancisco. Nearest court with some pickup action is easily 20+ blocks away, and that's only 3.5 or lowest C levels.
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    End of second year, I needed more competition. So GGPark, easy 4 miles away, I'd be a fixture there 5 days a week (weekdays) from 9-5. Even I get hungry and have to go home.
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  2. Bungalo Bill

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    Yes, you are seeing it. The lack of a shoulder turn promotes using his arm too much in the swing (backswing and forward swing) because something has to move the racquet back and forth.

    The lack of his shoulder turn causes his body plane to open too soon which promotes coming across his body too much. He needs to go through the ball and extend to break this habit for now.

    Onehanders need to take the racquet back with their unit turn. The racquet predominantely goes back WITH the shoulder turn mainly.

    Without that shoulder turn, bad habits are being developed that need to compensate for the lack of a shoulder turn. The shoulder turn does much more than just getting the racquet back. It allows the racquet to go back in a controlled fashion which allows the brain, the contact point, the incoming ball, and the racquet head to work togther to time the incoming ball better.

    Onehanders need to place less emphasis in hitting the ball with their arms and more emphasis in bringing the racquet to the ball through the timing of their weight transfer. Think simple. Body is what hits the ball. Arm brings the racquet to the ball. Both need to sync and time the contact with the ball.

    Watch...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RORTYH588cE

    Also, he needs to eliminate his wrist release right now. Because of his lack of shoulder turn he is slapping the ball and not driving through it. The wrist until he masters the onehander needs to be fixed and he needs to keep the long "L" in his stroke for a longer time. Right now, he has no shape in his arm, it just moves around because he prematurely releases his wrist to have a "whippiness" in his stroke.
     
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  3. Ballinbob

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    thanks a ton BB, and behappy. I went yesterday and talked to my parents, and after a LONG talk and an email from a coach, I finally convinced them to pay for lessons. I don't think I'm improving at the rate I should be, and a pro would really help me.

    I appreciate your advice though, and I'll keep it in mind. Hopefully I'll see some better results with someone coaching me 1o1
     
  4. Jaxon

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    Nice! You improved your backhand but again, there are still far too many problems. First, just dropping the ball and hitting it is a completely different feel as compared to when hitting it when your opponent hits it to you. Second, you have too much arm movement when you swing. It’s just a sweeping swing that goes up (your still hitting through). The best way to fix this is to do what a teaching pro suggested for me when I was converting to the one hand backhand. He told me to hit the ball as if I’m hitting topspin lobs with the backhand and literally swing the racquet up. Though it was exaggerated movement, I got used to the feel and hit much better backhands. It also helps if the wrist and forearm is completely stiff. If you want I’ll put up some videos of hitting backhands once the weather improves.
    Good Luck,
     
  5. Kevo

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    Hi Ballinbob,

    I think you're doing great. You are only a few minor changes away from a very nice backhand. (Of course you will still need to practice it a lot to get confident with it and bring it up to the level of the rest of your game, but that's the fun part isn't it.)

    1. You're pulling the next ball out of your pocket before you've finished you're recovery. That left hand should be moving backward to stop your shoulder rotation to allow that energy to transfer into the arm. So, you want to spread both arms apart as you swing.

    2. You should lift your swinging arm upward from the shoulder on the forward swing, don't just swing across your body in an upward direction. Actively use the shoulder to lift the racquet up. This helps with adding topspin and also allows the racquet to stay on the path of the ball longer.

    3. Quit lifting the back leg. Let that happen naturally as a result of the swing. Right now it looks like you are actively lifting that leg. With a 1HBH, you will frequently have situations that require hitting the shot on the run, and you will need to work the upper body out of sync with your legs. In other words, the leg lifting is not a necessity, it's a nicety when you have time, and can help with recovery as well, if you swing the leg around on the follow through.
     
  6. retroceso

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    keep that back foot and knee down!
     
  7. Bungalo Bill

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    Why? What is it that is making you say this?

    Here is a return of serve (it looks like), however, it is the beginning of the point I will try to make.

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  8. Ballinbob

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    thanks kevo, will keep that in mind. I've been practicing the positions in the sticky and my backhand has gotten better. Because I play so far back behind the baseline I have to hit alot of high balls, and that's forced me to exaggerate the WW motion. So in a weeks time, I went from a backhand with like 1rpm of spin to a backhand that is really spinny. What a transition lol

    The thing I noticed though is that I still my arm sometimes bends more than it should, but otherwise I think I'm doing okay. I worked on getting the shoulder turn down and taking the racket back instead of my whole arm. Still not perfect, but they have improved. Like BB said, I think my footwork is hindering my ability on this stroke. I use pure speed to get to the ball and not really good footwork.

    I played my semi- pusher friend yesterday and I can consistently hit my backhand against him because the balls he lets me groove into his shots and have a rhythm. Then when I played the #1 singles at my school (friend of mine), I found myself making alot more errors with my backhand because he hits with pace. I ended up slicing my backhand the rest of the match

    That's what I noticed though, when I have time to set up I can actually hit my backhand pretty well. I guess I need to play more matches against guys who pressure me and get used to it

    I'll keep working on my backhand though. Slowly but surly its been improving, and I'm proud of myself for getting this far. I still have a long ways to go though haha:)

    edit-I've gotten really good at analyzing my technique now because of you guys too lol. So thanks for that
     
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  9. Slicendicer

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    There's 2 styles of backhand for the 1 handed player... the rotating socket swing where you swipe across the ball and PULL the ball across the seams or the lift and raise whereas to PUSH and drive the ball by swinging bottom to top pushing the ball as to reverse the spin forward.

    Its difficult to really tell what your doing, where the ball is landing, and how well you strike a ball moving toward you. Keep practicing though, you'll figure out what works best for your game.
     
  10. futuratennis

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    if you are truly playing like nadal, your wrist will be stuffed soon, i wont be suprised if nadal gets a wrist injury and has to take a year off, putting alot of topspin on every ball isnt good, its very "wristy" and can cause injury, its better to have a variety and hit top spin shots sometimes, but not always
     
  11. Mansewerz

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    Holy crap, what's the temperature like in Colorado? You're wearing shorts in frickin January!
     
  12. mikeler

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    Bob,

    Glad you are going to be able to take some lessons. My parents were able to afford 1 private lesson a week for 4 years when I was in high school so I am very lucky that my technique is sound. I still did not think your take back was low enough in your new video, but your coach will get all that straightened out for you. Enjoy those hour lessons, the time really flies.
     
  13. Ambivalent

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    You shouldnt put balls so close to you at the baseline. That's dangerous.
     
  14. Ballinbob

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    I have a mild western forehand grip and I exaggerate the wind shield wiper motion. I try to not wrist my shots as much as possible, but I have to sometimes to flick it over the net. I didn't know this could cause wrist injuries though. My wrist does often hurt at the end of a match but it goes away by the next morning.


    Temp was in the 60s all this week, but its snowing today. Was an unusual week, its not this warm ever at this time of year. Im not complaining though lol:)

    Yeah I know. It took alot of arguing on my part but it all payed off in the end. We plan on getting a lesson every 2-3 weeks or so, that was the best I could get. It's better than nothing though. I'm going with the same pro as last time, I really liked him.

    Plus I got you guys you know, you all have helped alot. I'll keep posting vids here for advice, and hopefully with lessons+your guys' help I'll become a much better player.:)

    What can I say, I live a high risk life:twisted:
     
  15. mikeler

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    Lessons are expensive. Make sure you thank your parents for them. They will appreciate it :)

    PS I almost never use the edit button, but this new laptop is kicking my ars with its crazy mouse!
     
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  16. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Make contact more early on your backhand..
     
  17. The_Steak

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    Bob, Do not flick your wrist when you hit!!!!! No, I am not worried about injury. When you use your wrist, it creates unnecessary spin. Trust me, I use a full western. Keep your stroke long and fluid, never ever wrist a shot. When you keep the stroke long with no wrist flick, the ball stays down and you can hit the ball incredibly hard.

    About 2-3 weeks ago, I always thought that using the wrist for added spin was good, but you cannot produce an aggressive shot. The ball spins a ton and will land in the service box, so your opponent can easily kill it for a winner.

    I don't give a damn about injury, but do not use the wrist whatever you do.

    Note* I am talking about when it is forced, not when there is a natural is the natural wrist snap when you hit hard.
     
  18. Jackie T. Stephens

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    I actually see wristy shots all the time, especially with a full western.
     
  19. The_Steak

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    When it is forced? Or the natural wrist snap?
     
  20. Ballinbob

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    Hey guys

    I had a 1.5 hour lesson today at the price of one today from the pro who gave me one last time. We worked on my backhand the WHOLE time too. He saw I was really trying to learn it so he gave me an extra half hour.

    He pretty much told me the exact same thing that was in the sticky, except he said I could have as big a takeback I wanted as long as I was hitting the ball correctly.

    He told me:
    -Stay low and keep the whole racket under the ball (he kept repeating this the whole lesson, apparently this was my biggest problem)
    -He suggested to open my stance a little bit b/c I had too closed of a stance
    -Keep my left foot down at all times
    -Keep my left shoulder down and let my right shoulder do all the work

    Mainly it was staying low that he emphasized. I don't know why I was having so much trouble with it. Every single ball I hit he said "stay low" so it got stuck in my head. It worked though. He was patient with me and after the lesson I got it. He also smoothed out my stroke so it doesn't look so forced anymore.

    I played my pusher friend after and I used my topspin backhand and I was hitting it well when I set up for it. I still am having timing problems and footwork problems. I also tend to hit it incorrectly when I'm under pressure.However, when I have time to think about what I'm doing, I hit the ball correctly.

    That's pretty much what I noticed. At the end of the lesson when he was feeding me easy balls, I was hitting every one correctly and he told me I was good to go. Under pressure though I revert to my old ways. My backhand is a great shot now when I have time to set it up. I got lucky today and hit a couple flat backhands that went in for winners too lol. I know the correct technique now and just need to work on be able to hit the ball correctly under pressure/match circumstance.

    Anyway, thanks Behappy and others for your advice. My coach told me exactly what you were telling me, its just that I needed the 1on1 help.Karl, if you want to delete this thread go ahead, I got what I wanted out of it
     
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  21. The_Steak

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    Don't delete it.... Other people might want to read for advice on their backhands.

    Admins, rename to advice to one hand back handers.
     
  22. Ballinbob

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    steak's right. I acted too soon, don't delete it yet

    I'm probably not the only one with this problem. Give me a day or two and I'll go through this whole thread and take out the good advice tips, then maybe we can sticky it. There's a ton of info in this thread that would really help everyone out.

    I'll work on that ASAP
     
  23. am22fcw

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    yes that is very dangerous. last thursday i was playing with my neighbor who i normally play with 3-5 times per week wether its singles or doubles. anyway there was a ball on the outter doubles line on the side of the court. i hit a shot down the line and he went after it and he stepped right on top of the ball. he ended up severly spraigning his ankle and had to go to the E.R. I haven't played since then but i will assure you that every ball will be off the court when we hit!
     

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