Ballon d'Or FIFA 2012

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Who deserves to win the FIFA Ballon d'Or 2012

  1. Lionel Messi

    12 vote(s)
    54.5%
  2. Christiano Ronaldo

    8 vote(s)
    36.4%
  3. Xavi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Iniesta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Casillas

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Pirlo

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  7. Ibrahimovic

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. TennisLovaLova

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    I say Lionel Messi.
     
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  2. Peters

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    Well, looking at it objectively, it can't be anyone else.

    He could conceivably win it every year for the next 3 or 4 years, barring injury. He operates on a whole other plane to everyone else.

    And that's coming from someone who's not really a fan of Barcelona football club.
     
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  3. PSNELKE

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    Well looking back at how many goals he scored during the last season it has to be Messi. I would certainly pick him.

    But given the fact that Barca didn't win anything special during the last season I doubt it will be him.

    Unfortunately I think it will be Andres Iniesta who won Euro2012 with Spain and was selected as the best player of the tournament.

    Not saying he's not a great player but nowhere in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo.
     
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    Who cares? It's soccer for god's sake!
     
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  5. Peters

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    Actually that's a good point. They may choose to 'share it out' a bit, as opposed to simply giving it to the best player.

    So perhaps Iniesta or Xavi will get it due to their national team success. But yes, it's a no-brainer; neither have had a better year than Messi in terms of the football they've produced.
     
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  6. PureAlph4

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    Although it seems likely they'll allow for an exception this year (in light of undeniable production of Messi / CR7), I would have assumed this would have been the case and it would go to a Spanish national player.
     
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  7. ramos77

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    Ronaldo won La Liga and took Portugal to the semi of the Euro pretty much with his own feet and top scored

    Messi didn't win anything of note, even though he scored a lot of goals.

    Those saying that messi should win because he scored the most goals should remember Ronaldo scored more last season, and didn't win the best player award.
     
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  8. Peters

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    No, it's his overall level of play that makes him the player of the year, not just his goals.

    But I suppose it would get a bit boring giving it to the same player every year.
     
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  9. Feña14

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    I agree, the things you help your team achieve are extremely important.

    I'd give it to Iniesta for being amazing, and winning the Euro's, or Ronaldo for winning La Liga and he was excellent at the Euro's.
     
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  10. PureAlph4

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    As has been noted by various pundits, based on the team achievement benchmark then surely the award should go to Torres! :)
     
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  11. Feña14

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    I'll go with that! :)

    For the goal against Barcelona alone, he more than deserves it!

    I think it's a bit harsh on Cech if i'm honest. He played incredibly well against Barcelona, in the second leg especially. The second half they just sent a barrage his way and he stopped everything. In the final he made some even better saves, plus the Robben penalty.. oh and his performance in the penalty shootout was one of the best seen.

    There's also the save he made against Liverpool in the FA Cup final, people were putting it up there with some of he best of all time. The touch onto the woodwork to deny them at the end was fantastic.

    Without him, Chelsea probably wouldn't of won the double last year. Bit harsh on him not to get a mention I think.
     
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  12. PSNELKE

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    Torres sucked during 90% of the last season. Handing Torres the Ballon D'or would be a huge scandal.
    Lol but I get your point, scoring a goal in the UEFA CL final and winning the whole thing along with the Spanish success at EURO2012.
    But he himself didn't do too much.

    It will probably be a close one between Ronaldo and Iniesta.
     
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  13. PSNELKE

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    Pretty much everyone outside of the US cares about FOOTBALL.
     
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  14. Bartelby

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    Yes, and its actually played with the foot and, more importantly, its not a game of kisschasey for beefcakes in pantyhose.
     
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  15. SempreSami

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    Unfortunately? Iniesta's better than Zidane ever was.
     
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  16. BauerAlmeida

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    No. It's Football:wink:

    LOL, no. Iniesta is a fantastic player but Zidane is a god..


    ON TOPIC: Messi is something else. He is as superior to the rest of the players as JesusFed was in 2004-2007. He should win this Ballon D' or and probably the next two also if he doesn't get injured badly cause he's only 25 and is astonishingly consistent.
     
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  17. Underhand

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    Soccer is for girls.
     
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    True. Football is for men though.:twisted:
     
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  19. dangalak

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    Nobody gives a sh*t.

    Seriously, how many titles did they win this year. He failed to win either a Primera Division or a CL title this year, even though his team is clearly the most talented.

    The years before, the argument for him was strong because they either won both the CL and league title or at least one. Last season, they didn't win either. The only way he wins the next 3 or 4 years if his fangirls were responsible for the election.
     
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  20. Peters

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    Grow up.

    I'm trying to show my view of Messi being player of the year isn't a biased one, it's an objective one.


    And I don't quite understand the link between player of the year and team trophies. It's true the best team in Spain last season was Real Madrid, but Ronaldo's performance levels still didn't match Messi's IMO.

    So, in a literal sense, it's a reasonable view to consider Messi player of the year.

    If there was an award for team of the year, then it would be different...
     
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  21. Jay_The_Nomad

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    Either Ronaldo or iniesta.

    Ronaldo's performance was on par with messi except he actually won a trophy.

    But if we were to go on trophies alone then it has to be iniesta.
     
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  22. SempreSami

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    Getting marked out of Champions League finals by Paul Lambert, disappearing when Man Utd came from 2 goals down to knock Juventus out in 1999, getting sent off not once, but twice at World Cups for losing his rag.

    Yeah, godly.
     
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  23. BauerAlmeida

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    This.

    It's and individual award, not a team award. And Messi is a beast. This season he broke Muller's record of goals in a season. And he gave thousands of assists too. I don't think Messi will ever play like he did last year. It was from another planet.
     
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  24. TennisLovaLova

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    In the us maybe
     
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    realnumber1 Aguerooooooooooo
    1. Messi
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Iniesta
    4. Falcao
    5. Yaya Toure
     
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  26. Feña14

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    Yaya over Pirlo? Unbeaten in the league and his performances at the Euro's have to count in the favour of Pirlo :)

    Having said that, i'm not sure City would of won the title without him so I can see the argument.
     
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  27. chrischris

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    Zlatan is my pick ,gigantic centre , best goal scoring record in Europe this season .
     
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  28. NickC

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    It's mainly an award for the previous season. Zlatan might have been good but Messi owned. His performance last season was at a level that words simply cannot describe. It's probably the closest thing to God playing football that we'll see in our lifetimes.
     
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  29. chrischris

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    Yes man thats right , good point.

    Im ahead of the game , 'as usual'..
    so yep , in this case i think Messi is a good option. He was spectacular last year.

    I maintain that so far this fall , Zlatan is looking awesome.
     
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  30. Feña14

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    Best players i've seen so far this season, even though it's only 2 months in, are Messi, Ronaldo (no surprises with those two!).. the other two are Mata and Cazorla.
     
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  31. SempreSami

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    Reus has scored 9 goals (including internationals) so far this season.
     
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  32. Feña14

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    Ahh, how could I forget about him! He's been incredible, you're right. He was on top form again in the Internationals too.

    Probably the best German player at the moment, which is saying something when he's up against Schweinsteiger and Ozil.
     
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  33. PSNELKE

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    What about Falcao??
    He's leading the goal scoring list of Primera Division leaving the likes of Messi and Ronaldo behind him so far.

    He kicked Chelsea's ass with a hattrick at the UEFA Super Cup (4:1 victory for Athletico)

    And he scored the two winning goals for Columbia against Paraguay at their World Cup2014 qualification match last weekend.

    So far this season Falcao takes the cake for me.
     
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  34. Feña14

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    Falcao will be at Chelsea come January, probably! We have a knack of ruining great strikers :)

    But yes, you're right, he's been fantastic for awhile now. I believe Drogba and Villa were the best strikers of their era, Falcao certainly seems to be leading the pack for the newer breed though.
     
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  35. TennisLovaLova

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    Messi scored twice saturday vs Uruguay
    And he scored again yesterday...
    the guy just doesnt stop
     
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  36. PSNELKE

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    I really, really hope he won't go to to Chelsea.
    Imo he should stay in Madrid. The team got mad potential and they got a great opportunity to build a proper team around him.

    But he obviously doesn't want to stay. And Athletico will earn big time on him.
     
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  37. chrischris

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    Messi 2012. Zlatan 2013.. last night he had his guys go down 0-4 away vs Germany and in the 2nd half he leads them all the way back , 4-4! Surreal stuff:)
     
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  38. PSNELKE

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    Next years award shouldnt be based on a quarter season.
    Let's see how he does until May next year. As of now he's definately leading the whole thing.
     
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  39. Feña14

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    Yeah, they need to sell because of the debt they are in. I think he will probably go next summer, to Man City or Chelsea.

    Chelsea makes most sense as he would be the main man and they need a striker, badly.
     
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    I think it should be a swap deal plus cash. Torres is still a deity at Atletico and if we can throw him back to Spain for Falcao plus cash I'm sure they'd be happy as can be. Torres needs to go back to Spain ASAP.
     
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  41. Feña14

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    I think the only party it would suit would be Torres, and even then he would have to settle for a huge drop in wages. Atletico need the money too much to be interested in a player + cash deal, whilst Chelsea could get more value for Torres by selling him outright. I think Juventus could maybe pay up to £20 Million.

    It depends if anyone else comes in aswell I think. Torres going would leave just Falcao as the only striker, as it looks like Sturridge will go too. It looks like 2, possibly 3 strikers will be needed. Remy would make a good back up fairly cheap. Also Paulinho for the much needed midfield spot will be a priority.
     
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  42. SilverRhythm

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    As you mentioned, THIS season and we are only about three months into the new season. Let's wait till that Ballon d'Or comes around and we can have this discussion again.
     
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  43. chrischris

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    Has someone asked Messi lately if he feels he should /could win it??
     
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