Ban Internet Anonymity

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  1. diggler

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    The internet brings out appalling behaviour. I think we would all be much better off if discussion boards such as this required people to use their real names. People wouldn't write such nasty crap if they were accountable.
     
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  2. Bartelby

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    Its a somewhat authoritarian request especially given that governments never respect things like free speech, privacy, etc.
     
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  3. spaceman_spiff

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    Why not just ignore what all those people are saying? You don't have to read their comments, and most of them are just trolling anyway. If you ignore them, they get bored and stop trolling.
     
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  4. r2473

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    You are correct. I joined a weightlifting forum where using your real name is a requirement. People are very respectful.
     
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  6. North

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    I post on a forum related to my profession where there used to be a lot of obnoxious bickering back and forth with a few known trolls who would start and endlessly post argumentative threads only tangentially related to the profession. Earlier this year, we were required to identify ourselves in all posts and the difference is dramatic. The level of discourse is much more respectful and the trolls disappeared.

    The privacy issue is not insignificant, though.
     
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  7. Legend of Borg

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    Come at me bro.
     
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  8. jmverdugo

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    I think that for "Professional" forums it should be a must. In the case of TTW it may not be possible because there are young kids and that could cause problems, although I really do not care for those young posters, what is really annoying is the older ones that act like kids and fanboys.
     
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  9. ollinger

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    The OP fails to make the key distinction between "behavior" and "speech"......there is no "behavior" in the strict sense on the internet. In American society and elsewhere, nearly all speech is tolerated and one needn't be held accountable for one's speech, so anonymity is really not a problem. Behavior is an entirely different matter, something people typically can be held accountable for. There, anonymity can be a problem. As ever, the OP and everyone else is not obligated to look at any speech he finds offensive.
     
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  10. r2473

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    In real life I'm r2743, but I want to remain anonymous on here.
     
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  11. RF20Lennon

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    LOL it would be hilarious if the pros had trolling accounts here
     
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  12. ollinger

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    The OP should also note that anonymity in realms of expression has a rich historical tradition, be it the chosen names of writers such as Mark Twain or Voltaire, or an artist such as Man Ray (his name interestingly derived from Emmanual Radnitzky). To suggest that this is an internet phenomenon is naive.
     
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  13. r2473

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    How are you defining "behavior" in the strict sense?

    I'm also wondering why one needn't be held accountable for one's speech.
     
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  14. Bartelby

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    America and some other Western nations have a long tradition of defining speech as subversive or terroristic in order to respect in a purely formalistic manner the ideal of free speech.
     
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  15. Peters

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    Hackers already have enough avenues to exploit in terms of identity, I ain't giving out my real name for online posting thanks very much. Plus forums have trackers and all sorts trawling them, so I'll have my views hooked up to all kinds of databases, etc.


    Also, I don't agree with the notion there will automatically be more respect on forums with real identities. It all comes down to the quality of the forum. I already spend time on certain forums that are respectful and pleasant, and pretty much everyone uses anonymous forum names (not here obviously, but TT is a bit of a train wreck).

    On the internet these days, the aim is to minimise your identity footprint as much as possible.
     
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  16. El Diablo

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    If "appalling" or "nasty" behavior were sufficient reason to require people to forfeit anonymity, we'd all be walking the streets with large nametags.
     
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  17. r2473

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    I beleive the OP is suggesting that IF posters were not allowed to remain anonymous, they would be more respectful. Not because posters are disrespectful, they ought to be forced to reveal their identities.

    ...but you already knew that, didn't you "El Diablo"
     
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  18. El Diablo

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    ^^ If posters were forced to reveal their identities, there would be no forum. Who wants to explain time spent on this forum when applying for a job. "So, Mr. Breakpoint, if each post took a few minutes, it appears you've spent about 1700 hours, or about 70 days, 24 hours a day, posting on this forum. Is this a constructive use of time for you?"
     
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  19. Govnor

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    On a scale of 1-10. This site is about a 2 on the rudeness/obnoxious side, when it comes to posters. Very tame here. Which is fine by me.
     
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  20. r2473

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    I'm not sure where to begin......
     
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  23. r2473

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    Bless me Father Larry, for I have sinned.....
     
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  24. maverick66

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    There really is only a few people here that clog up certain sections of the board with the same baiting and trolling nonstop. Problem is they create about 10 accounts and than DD gets to be the one that chases them around.

    With that said there are a few that try to be witty and clever that sometimes are and sometimes are not. They are not trolling it was just a swing and a miss.
     
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  26. Disgruntled Worker

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    Cheap shot at Breakpoint. Not cool.
     
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    Ok, you got me.


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    Sorry, but I gave away enough information about myself a few years ago on this and the other tennis forum and paid dearly for it. I will not go into the details, but I prefer my relative anonymity on the internet now. Once burned, twice shy. If this forum or any other forum wants to go to real names, then they cannot be viewable by non-members.

    I posted on one of the newspaper forums that requires facebook login and got two nasty private messages from gay bashing right wing nutjobs. I avoid those now too.
     
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  29. dParis

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    When I get feelings similar to these, I go to websites where people have to use their real name. What's better still is calling someone you know and talking to them. And you can still get up from your computer and talk face-to-face with people, but this gets a little tricky. I'll often walk up to someone at the grocery store or waiting in line at the airport and ask them, if I pair the sometimes unpredictable Becker London with the sometimes unpredictable RIP Control at mid tension, will they cancel each other out and give me a consistent stringbed.

    "What, you don't think the London is particularly unpredictable? Me neither."

    That usually brings out some pretty appalling behavior and crap-nasty comments from my new friend.
     
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  30. tricky

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    In real life, I'm sureshs and I've retired.

    Beg to differ, somewhat. I've seen a lot of heated arguments between Facebook accounts.

    Ironically, some of me and my coworkers go on TTW and poke fun at the General Pro Players Discussion Forum.
     
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  31. dParis

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    The General Pro Players Discussion Forum - you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
     
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  33. r2473

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    What's your new friend's real name?

    ......my coworkers and I.........
     
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  34. North

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    And protocol droids aren't even allowed in to post!!
     
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    What does that mean? Any real examples or should we just take your word for it? Quite a statement...
     
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  36. Headshotterer

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    Ban anomoynity and a lot less people will use the net
     
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  37. dParis

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    That was a typo. Should have been friends. I've tried this multiple times but it's not working out so well. I may just start posting, anonymously, on internet forums.
     
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  38. r2473

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    Are you trying to meet "real teens" or "hot MILF's"?
     
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  39. Fearsome Forehand

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    I think the OP should kick things off and change his user ID to his real name. :)

    My real name is John Smith. I live at 100 Main St, Anytown, USA. :)

    Some of us value our privacy. I don't get people who post all their personal info on the internet. The identity thieves really appreciate it though.

    I think rude people will be rude if they post under their real name or an internet alias.
     
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  40. Hot Sauce

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    The names Bond. James Bond.
     
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  41. Fifth Set

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    The OP is seriously naive.

    We don't have ENOUGH anonymity on the web or in general. Our personal and financial information is all over the web, just screaming out to be hacked by miscreants. Hackers are happy to use and abuse web-sites that stink at protecting our data.

    And I'm not even talking about "speech" yet.

    Ever tried so much as "liking" a political figure on Facebook?! Be careful if your FB friends include work colleagues who don't agree. It could get ugly.
     
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  42. corners

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    Internet anonymity is a good thing. Most of us wouldn't post here if we had to use our real names. The problem is that it takes good manners and intellectual discipline to post thoughtful, respectful posts, and most of us don't have what it takes to do it. We wouldn't do much better if we were accountable and exposed to all of mankind.

    Forum rules help, but the most constructive thing, probably, is to "turn the other cheek," so to speak. If a poster gets nasty, isn't reading the posts he's criticizing, starts calling names, insists he's right regardless of any good evidence or alternative points of view, etc., we just have to walk away and resist the temptation to counterattack. Most of the nasty threads on here would die quickly if we weren't such suckers for trolls and pointless, circular arguments. Chances of changing another person's point of view are very small in any discussion. Once we we realize that we are probably stubbornly holding onto our own ill-founded viewpoint, which we won't relinquish, we see that everyone else is doing the same thing. So then we stop trying to change people's minds, and just present our views as just that - our point of view. People respond to that, start to listen, and discuss things with civility and intelligence.

    One trick suggested by Benjamin Franklin is to never state an opinion as though it is fact. To avoid this, we must use qualifiers such as "In my opinion...", "It seems to me that,...", "From my perspective...", "I could be wrong but..." This tends to put people at ease. They see right away that we're not trying to convince them that they are wrong. Intelligent discussion is more likely when we announce right off the bat that we know that we might not be right.
     
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  43. r2473

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    "I could be wrong, but I'm damn sure you're wrong".
     
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  44. diggler

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    I write letters to newspapers and they always verify name and address. It is much better than local newspapers where nutbags can write complete crap and just sign off as "Disgruntled from Sydney".

    This started as a debate in Australia because some person tweeted something very offensive and insensitive to a prominent footballer who had just lost his mother. I guess the footballer could have turned the other cheek, but should society put up with filth from idiots.

    http://www.news.com.au/news/twitter...r-stephen-conroy/story-fnehlez2-1226471853353

    This is not an attack on free speech. If you are prepared to put your name to it, you are welcome to say what you like.
     
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  45. mary fierce

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    You're in Australia, which has considerably less statutory and constitutional protection of "free speech" than some other countries, such as the US. Recall the guy who went to prison about 15 years ago for urging voters to fill out their ballots incorrectly.
     
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  46. SwankPeRFection

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    I guess you don't value privacy in your great courty of Australia. :rolleyes:

    Tell you what. If you get offended by rude posts so much, stay off the boards or grow thicker skin.
     
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    You'd have to ban search engines as well.
     
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  48. Bartelby

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    Free speech may be in a constitution, but it doesn't stop governments from trying to imprison people for publishing things on the internet governments don't want people to see.
     
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  49. nalvarado

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    Who is Nalvarado? Also as it happens I was recognized by a TTW poster at a tournament by my username and TW Bag.
     
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  50. dParis

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    :|

    I don't know how he did it, but chrischris was able to post a question without injecting a mention of global warming; and it's a good question, too.

    Any response, Bartelby (if that is who you really are)!?
     
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