Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Marius_Hancu, Apr 21, 2012.
Whatever, Nadal can have all the clown-filled joke tournaments he wants as long as he leaves the real tournaments (slams, IW and Miami) to the big boys.
Novak Djokovic in Madrid...
They must, they absolutely must.
I couldn't agree more with you. I just hope he figures it out before he turns 40.
A great clay-court match. Congratulations to Rafa on his 7th Barcelona title. Here is the updated head-to-head with Ferrer.
Rafael Nadal 14-4 David Ferrer
2004 Stuttgart QF: David Ferrer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-7, 7-5)
2005 Miami SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-4, 6-3)
2005 Rome SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (4-6, 6-4, 7-5)
2005 French Open QF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-2, 6-0)
2007 Barcelona SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-1)
2007 US Open R16: David Ferrer def. Rafael Nadal (6-7, 6-4, 7-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup RR: David Ferrer def. Rafael Nadal (4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2008 Monte Carlo QF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-1, 7-5)
2008 Barcelona F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-1, 4-6, 6-1)
2009 Barcelona F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 7-5)
2009 Montreal R32: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (4-3 ret.)
2010 Miami R16: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-6, 6-4)
2010 Monte Carlo SF: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 6-3)
2010 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-5, 6-2)
2011 Australian Open QF: David Ferrer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-2, 6-3)
2011 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-4, 7-5)
2011 Barcelona F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (6-2, 6-4)
2012 Barcelona F: Rafael Nadal def. David Ferrer (7-6, 7-5)
Clay: 11-1 to Nadal
In Majors: 2-1 to Ferrer
That was Andrea Gaudenzi.
I'll repeat this again. You talk about this being a clown filled tournament when the Nastase-Tiriac HAD THREE GUYS UNDER 400 IN THE WORLD IN THE MAIN DRAW!
Please tape your mouth shut and go away.
Post match photos .
Ferrer doesnt look very happy holding his trophy!
Congratulations to Nadal, but now it's time for tournaments that really count. Will Nadal take Madrid in similar fashion?
trophy is very huge no?
Crap match,imo. It was a grindfest full of service breaks and unforced errors. Not good enough from Nadal I'm afraid.
That was a tremendous match. You have the attention span of CMM.
Nah,I just know that match wasn't good tennis.
Then what the hell constitutes good tennis? There were unbelievable dig outs, shots you couldn't believe either side could get to, both sides breaking each other, and lots of back and forth action.
THAT IS GOOD TENNIS!
I just don't like error riddled WTA-esque matches,and this was one of them. Both of them struggled to hold serve and were broken numerous times,and both of them made silly unforced errors that would make Baby Djesus weep. Just an all out mug and choke fest,and Nadal is very lucky to have won it. He certainly didn't deserve to.
The point is Nadal has had zero clay competition in his era. Zero.
Not this unbearable boring grindfest between Ferrer and Nadal. Their matches are incredibly boring.
Error riddled? Did you see some of those shots today? You had to be watching it by gamecast or something. No way we were watching the same match.
This was a tremendous back and forth match. You must've wanted to watch Gilles Simon and Fabio Fognini in the final.
Because some of you have the attention span of a roll of toilet paper doesn't mean it's not a good match. That was beautiful tennis.
This is crazy, Nadal is going to end up with 2 tournaments being in double digits in a few years. Now that is a record.
A tradition of this tournament - the winner gets thrown into the swimming pool.
Not to me. I stopped watching after the first set. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
this match-up cannot be really interesting by the fact that Ferrer will ALWAYS fail to win at critic moments VS Nadal.
Because he is so damn good. It's gotten to the point where players are beaten even before going onto the court (not David Ferrer, mind you). If Nadal does get into bother, he's better at winning the big points. Just look at how Nadal saved 5 set points today.
You call that match today "boring"? Did you watch the same match as I did?
Nadal is untouchable.Winning such a prestigious event by 7 th time, when Wilander,Orantes,Emerson couldn´t grasp more than 3 titles and Borg,Nasty,Lendl,Gomez,Santana only twice...
BTW, Ferrer equals Vilas as the only 4 times beaten finalist of this event.
It was a great clay battle, a war out there between two great clay warriors.
Nadal's current level on clay is enough to beat any player, except for Djokovic2.0
If Djokovic2.0 shows up in Madrid, Nadal would have to upper his level to beat him.
On the other hand, if Djokovic2.0 does not show up in Madrid (and instead only Djokovic1.0 appears) then Nadal will win.
Glad to see Rafa won Im about to watch the match now on my DVR
Now the time is right to say the title is in the bag
Darn, it's set for 2 hrs 30 mins, I assume the final went over that? Ugh
^^Michael's chest looks like a plucked boiled chicken in that gif.
Aye. Vilas lost in the Barcelona final for 4 years in a row, losing the 1980 and 1981 finals to Lendl, and the 1982 and 1983 finals to Wilander.
Here are the recent champions in Barcelona:
1969: Manuel Orantes
1970: Manuel Santana
1971: Manuel Orantes
1972: Jan Kodes
1973: Ilie Nastase
1974: Ilie Nastase
1975: Bjorn Borg
1976: Manuel Orantes
1977: Bjorn Borg
1978: Balazs Taroczy
1979: Hans Gildemeister
1980: Ivan Lendl
1981: Ivan Lendl
1982: Mats Wilander
1983: Mats Wilander
1984: Mats Wilander
1985: Thierry Tulasne
1986: Kent Carlsson
1987: Martin Jaite
1988: Kent Carlsson
1989: Andres Gomez
1990: Andres Gomez
1991: Emilio Sanchez
1992: Carlos Costa
1993: Andrei Medvedev
1994: Richard Krajicek
1995: Thomas Muster
1996: Thomas Muster
1997: Albert Costa
1998: Todd Martin
1999: Felix Mantilla
2000: Marat Safin
2001: Juan Carlos Ferrero
2002: Gaston Gaudio
2003: Carlos Moya
2004: Tommy Robredo
2005: Rafael Nadal
2006: Rafael Nadal
2007: Rafael Nadal
2008: Rafael Nadal
2009: Rafael Nadal
2010: Fernando Verdasco
2011: Rafael Nadal
2012: Rafael Nadal
That's a very, very esteemed list.
Ferrer was shot celebrating too
Ferrer folded against Djokovic at AO this year too despite having a ton of momentum in parts of the match. Couldn't play the big points at all.
I am not saying he is not good, of course he is the greatest clay court player ever (or he will be for sure if he wins one more FO to surpass Borg) but that has nothing to do with the fact that on clay he has had no competition. If Ferrer, Almagro, Verdasco, etc. are his greatest competition on clay isn't that really a joke? I mean come on.
Only watched the first set. Ferrer/Nadal matches are too boring for me.
If you have insomnia watching this match will be a nice sedative for you.
Great match, great clay rallies, plenty of suspense, loved it.
Boring tennis, by far the worst tournament of the season. I fell asleep after
Ferrer give away the first set, than two hours later I woke up to see Ferrer give away the last set. What a waste of time, the matched sucked so bad I am still
a little groggy from watching it.
Both Borg and Nadal played in weak clay eras. Borg's big clay rival was Vilas who was barely able to get games off him, and who inflated his stats by shamelessly milking the MM clay tourneys with the weakest possible fields for years. How to explain how someone who went 5 years or so without beating Borg could amass the longest ever clay win streak and a record # of clay court titles, LOL! Outside of the ghost French Open of 77 Vilas made only 2 other finals, losing to 17 year old Wilander in one (waxed by Borg in the other) so it isnt like he was unplayable by anyone not named Borg either. Federer probably is even a better clay courter than Vilas. Connors was never a great clay courter, especialy on red clay, and didnt even play the French until 1979. Neither was McEnroe. The other top clay courters were Panatta, Dibbs, Ramirez.
Lendl, Wilander, and Kuerten played in much tougher clay eras, but their stats come nowhere near Borg and Nadal (probably partly for that reason).
Nadal has to rate above Borg on clay already though IMO. Both have 6 French Opens, but Nadal has something like 8 straight Monte Carlo titles which is above what Borg achieved anywhere on clay. His stats outside Roland Garros are all better than Borg, except longest win streak. So the tiebreakers already go to Nadal, and competition isnt a factor for either.
I still think Borg's clay competition was a little stronger than Nadal's. At least Vilas and Panatta won one FO each. Nadal has no clay court player in his era who has even won a FO (I mean a real and true clay courter, not talking about Federer.)
Re Nadal being a better clay court player than Borg already, that is probably true but if he wins that one extra FO it should seal the deal for everybody including purists.
You can stop criticising Vilas. He had the best results on clay in 1977, won both majors on the surface that year. And Vilas did beat Borg at the 1980 World Team Cup on clay in Dusseldorf. And what's all this "ghost 1977 French Open" nonsense? The defending champion, Panatta, was playing, as was 1973 French Open champion, Nastase, as well as other threats like Dibbs, Gottfried, Ramirez and Solomon. Players like Borg, Gerulaitis and Orantes signed up to play WTT in 1977, and they knew that made them ineligible for the 1977 French Open.
I can see and understand what you are saying, but Panatta was a serve and volleyer, not even really an all courter, what defines him as a "true clay courter" more than Federer. Watching him play I have a hard time understanding why he did better on clay than other surfaces, but one thing that was true is Borg always had more trouble with attackers on clay than he ever did other baseliners (especialy his slave Vilas). He also seemed to slide better on clay more than other serve and volleyers who tried to employ that style on the dirt. Even if he were one and Federer werent, I think all would agree Federer is a much better clay courter and thus "tougher competition" than Panatta.
I know it hasnt happened yet but Djokovic should win atleast 1 French at one point, it would be a bit shocking if he doesnt especialy as he has proven what a tough opponent he is for Nadal. I think Djokovic will end up surpassing people like Vilas and Panatta as clay courters by the time his career is over too. The thing is Borg's career is over and so are all his competitors. Not only is Nadal's career not over, but most of his competitors careers are barely halfway through too.
That was a very good final.
If there was any luck involved, Nadal definitely pushed it to his side. Ferrer didn't, and couldn't.
As much as I and many other people dislike Nadal, you've got to admit he is an amazing claycourter. I do think he's the best claycourter of all time and I can't even imagine how a person could beat an in form Nadal on clay.
And I don't think the excuse of Nadal having a weaker era is valid, since it's simply not true. Federer, Djokovic, Ferrer are all great claycourters, but everyone looks like sh1t next to Nadal. Think about it, have you ever seen a player hit like that, ever? Nobody hits the ball with that kind of an ugly, ridiculous technique. He completely rapes the game of tennis by doing what he does but it's very effective. It would be the same if one soccerteam started using this tactic:
They let 8 big players stand in the goal and completely block it for 90 minutes so that nobody can score. The other 3 players would try and score, sometimes they would get a goal and win. Most of the times it would be a draw. But this team is very specialized in penalty shootouts (they train penalties 24/7) so they would win every shootout. Everybody would hating watch their games but they would be one of the best football teams.
Okay this is a very unrealistic example but it's the best i can come up with when I'm tired..
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