Barking dog driving us crazy!!

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  1. tennytive

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    What do you do with next door neighbors who refuse to keep their dog from barking!!?? This has been going on ever since he was a puppy. At first we tried to stay patient and hope they would train him to stop. That didn't work. He still barks, inside, outside it doesn't matter, and the owners can be standing or sitting right next to the dog and act oblivious. But usually they just let him out to bark at any and everything while they stay indoors. Naturally when the dog wants in… more barking.

    After a year we asked them to keep the dog quiet. They said no. After 2 years we bought a Guardian anti-barking device and installed it on our fence. They insisted we remove it which led to a heated exchange. Our patience exhausted, we ended up having to call the police.

    The police informed them that it's not allowed, and a fine-able offense. However, they also said the city ordinance can only be enforced if we go to court and press charges. Basically they said it was out of their hands, and good luck with it. After they left it was only a matter of minutes before the dog was outside again barking with impunity. :evil:

    I'm now considering a dog whistle. The Guardian seems to work much to the neighbor's chagrin, but the range is limited and only works when the dog is in that immediate area. If the dog whistle works, I might have enough control to limit his barking no matter where he is in the yard.

    I've read some reviews on a few whistles and they're mixed. Anyone here with any tips or recommendations that might save our sanity?
     
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  2. billsgwn

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    I had this problem several years ago and the owner acted the same way. After trying to wait it out I eventually got fed up so bought some of those poppers that sound like firecrackers and whenever that dog came running toward my fence barking, I thrrew a few of them towards the ground in his direction and the dog took off running. Do it everytime the dog comes near you and it pretty much stopped coming near that fence if I was outside.
     
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  3. mikeler

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    Buy some really big speakers, point them at their house and play loud music all day long.
     
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  4. sureshs

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    There are some ultrasonic devices out there which only the dog can hear. Don't know if they are legal - because you are causing pain to someone else's dog - but I think they trigger automatically on a bark and send a painful sound to the dog who thus learns not to bark.

    Otherwise, call the police. After a certain number of verified complaints, the law requires the people to be evicted.

    Edit: see that you have covered all this.
     
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  5. subz

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    Can't you take legal action, like go to the court or the housing authority etc. There must be a rule against loud neighbours.
     
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    You have a few options. The easiest is to speak with the neighbor on the other side of the jerks and convince them to get a Guardian too. Unless the jerk's lot is wider than about 100 feet, the two untis should cover their yard. If they are unwilling, then I would go into stealth mode, buy a Gaurdian unit and deconstruct it to it's guts, and place it into an artificial rock (typically used for outdoor speakers) and go over the fence at 0300 and place it in the jerk's backyard.
     
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  7. woodrow1029

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    Look into the city ordinance. It has been my experience that a lot of city ordinances only prohibit dog barking between the hours of 9:00 pm and 9:00 am.
     
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  8. woodrow1029

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    Also, be careful using devices such as dog whistles on someone else's dog. If it turns out that your city ordinance does not prohibit dog barking during the day, and you do something to harm the dog, you are going to be the one that is getting sued.
     
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    Well, one could make a case for "private nuisance" here in the United States. To prevail, you would have to prove that there has been a "substantial and unreasonable interference with the use and enjoyment of your property". If you prevail, you may be able to have the Owner take some steps to alleviate the nuisance. It's not easy to prevail, as the interference does have to "substantial and unreasonable" but it may be worth a shot if it's really bad.
     
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  10. eliza

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    This is one of the example of WHOM is truly intelligent. Sorry, cheap shot.
    It looks like the dog has nothing to do, you and your neighbor would probably find something else to fight on.
    Anyhow: I train rescued Dobermanns, few had issues with morons of the human nature, and it sounds like your puppy had the same fate.
    Does this puppy live inside the house?Or always outside? Is he left alone long hours? Is he provided with water, food regularly? Are these people interacting with him? Is he socialized outside of family members?
    I need more in order to advice you. Barking is the simplest of issues, BTW. No sense to make it a legal battle.
     
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  11. eliza

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    Yeah suresh, and the dog instead of barking starts crying, all day, b/c his ears hurt. How about that?
     
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  12. woodrow1029

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    Out there. First of all this is not their dog, it's the neighbor's dog. Secondly, barking is NOT ALWAYS the simplest of issues. Finally, if they are here in the USA, unfortunately, everything is a legal battle.
     
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  13. Kevin T

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    I like the way you think. :) Though, I would also be at neighbor's door every day complaining, just to make it nice and annoying for him.
     
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  14. eliza

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    DO not take it hard, but I am interested only in the OP's response. I am in the US, and yes, barking is the simplest issue a dog may present.
     
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  15. r2473

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    Call animal control.

    Or....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Ntz94Fveg


    EDIT: By the way, the neighbors dogs all crap in our front yard. Especially the next door neighbor's dog. They have a fenced back yard, but instead they just let the dog out the front door to do his thing.....maybe in their yard, maybe in our yard, maybe somewhere else.

    Just after we moved in, the neighbor called to us over the fence (she is almost exactly our age. Our fence is a 6+ foot stone wall for what it's worth). She said **SOMEBODY** had smeared dog crap on the windshield of their Porsche (these guys are real ostentatious yuppy jerks by the way) and that this had never happened before we moved in.

    The dog also likes to position itself just outside of our gate (in our yard) and yap when our dogs are in the backyard, which drives our dogs crazy. This means that I have to go out and get my dogs and bring them in (so their dog can crap in my yard).

    Actually, the dog across the street also craps in my front yard (and others too....I've seen people taking their dogs for walks and they just let little sparky crap / **** on our grass and walk away).

    So, why don't I do anything? First, I have dogs too. The last thing I want to do is start one of those neighbor feuds. They just escalate, cause lots of stress and frustration, and nobody wins. Picking up crap takes me a few minutes, as does retrieving my dogs. I don't really "get off" on this sort of thing (my wife on the other hand wants to "really get em'").

    Just one of those things.

    I know people in the OP's position have fed the neighbor dogs anti-freeze / rat poison / etc. Yup, sad but true of course. This is often how far these things escalate.

    It's too bad. For every 8 responsible dog owners there are usually 2 jerks. I guess it is just the law of averages.
     
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  16. woodrow1029

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    What I am saying is that barking is not always the simplest issue to fix. There may be underlying problems such as health problems that do not require training but medical attention.

    Also, if you are only interested in the OP's response, a discussion forum isn't the best place to be. Maybe email.
     
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  18. sureshs

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    But barking can drive people crazy. Imagine being unable to sleep because of that and how it will affect your job the next day. These things are not to be taken lightly. People who say "in the US, people are too sensitive and sue all the time" say that only because they can't do anything about it where they are or they lead unproductive lives where going to work hours late does not matter.

    When we lived in apartments, we have called the police several times for bass music played at night which just vibrated thru the walls. After 3 times, the landlord has to evict them. Calling the police worked like a charm. With some of these folks, going over and knocking on the door is actually not a safe thing to do. One time the police officer hid for a while and observed whether any of the offenders would try to come over and knock on our door to find out if we had complained.
     
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  19. sureshs

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    They read your posts here and are sending you a message :)
     
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  20. r2473

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    That makes baby jesus cry :(
     
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  21. sureshs

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    It will hurt only if it barks, right, because that is when the ultrasound is emitted? How can it hurt all day?

    In this case, it is the neighbor who should be made to cry.
     
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    If the dog's barking is driving him crazy, I really don't see why he can't go on a killing spree in the outer boroughs for a year or so to relieve his stress. That's what some folks in my neck of the woods have done.
     
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    "Ears hurt"? It is like a whistle to break the dog's concentration it isn't a sonic deathray...
     
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    What kind of dog is it?

    Do you live in a townhouse? I'm asking because you said you can hear it inside?.... Wow!

    A couple of innocent things you can do - aside from a few of the beter ideas posted. Try giving it food. Peanut butter or "jelly fruit fish" - those big sugar chewy candies. Those two items will have the dog smacking lips for a really long time. Or spicy salsa - same thing.

    I know these don't seem legitimate, but they are safe for the dog and will keep it quiet for a while - allowing you time to find a permanent solution.

    Good luck - nothing worse than dogs that have people instead of the other way around.....
     
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    To me, there's nothing more disrespectful than a dog owner allowing their pet to drop a deuce in my yard or on the sidewalk in front of my house and not picking it up. I'm not trying to be a tough guy, nor do I enjoy physical confrontations, but here's what I did in this situation about a year ago (true story):

    Every morning on the way out to my car, I was greeted by a nice pile of dog poo on the sidewalk right in front of my house. The first couple of times, I chalked it up to an accident...maybe the dog pooed twice that morning and the owner only had one bag, etc. But this happened EVERY morning for two solid weeks. I pulled the old 'tabasco/hot salsa' trick in the dog's prefered toilet spot for a few days and that didn't work. Now we're going on 3-4 weeks of picking up dog doo in front of my house.

    Now I'm fuming (my wife was much calmer and didn't want me to go this far) and I make a little sign basically saying "It is disrespectful to allow your dog to poo without picking up-we are watching and will not hesitate to call the police"...our town/neighborhood fines lazy pet owners ~$300, similar to littering. Mind you, I'm not getting up at 5am to spy on early morning dog walkers but I thought the threat might work. Close to two weeks later and still there's poo out front. I'm famous for my patience but when the temper blows, it's volcanic and I was ready to literally put a headlock on someone. I get up at 4am the next morning and sit in my front living room in the dark...waiting...waiting...finally the culprit comes by...a middle age guy in a track suit. He lets his dog drop a load and keep cruising down the sidewalk. I run out and confront him, thank him for being such a fine citizen and allowing his dog to deuce-up my driveway for months. Guy acts like he can't hear me and picks up the pace. I warn him the cops will be called and I've photographed the whole thing (which I did). He keeps walking, then says "Call em ****". Oh no you didn't!! I proceed to pick up the doo and chuck it straight for his head, unfortunately missing but walking after him. The guy picks up the pace, headed out of Dodge.

    It's been a year and my area is poo-free. I'm not really proud of myself but I did hand the evidence over to the cops and our neighboorhood group....luckily the guy didn't report me for assault with a dog turd. My wife hated me for a month after that incident. :)
     
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  26. angharad

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    I'd really advise against giving someone else's dog any food. While peanut butter is generally safe (providing no food allergies), those jelly fruit fish make a great choking hazard, and most salsas contain onion, which can be toxic to dogs.

    Try talking to your neighbors again, try talking to your other neighbors who might be disturbed by the dog, and try to get the police involved if all else fails.
     
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    My neighbor has one of these:

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  29. eliza

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    Gosh, I feel very sorry for you. Calling the police b/c the music is too high? Using the legal system for a dog? Is that possible that people are so devious? So sick? to feed antifreeze to a poor animal, killing him for the human's fault?
    Are you really insane?
    Did you forget you were born with the faculty of speech? Where is reason? Where common sense?
    Tennistyve, e-mail me instead of posting, I will help you. I could bet I could "cure"the puppy in one week.........................
     
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  30. sureshs

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    Common sense tells me to not to talk to a bunch of people who are playing loud music at night and maybe high on drugs or alcohol.

    Otherwise why the police officer wait and watch to see if there was any repurcussion from complaining?

    In a non-apartment situation when you kind of know your neighbors, it is a different story. But not always.

    And I was not talking about poisoning the dog. It is the owner who needs to understand that noise pollution is like other kinds of pollution.

    The legal system exists to enforce the law. People who break the law are the ones with the burden of bearing the blame. I used to live in a place where some young hooligans hung a loudspeaker from the balcony of someone's apartment and blasted music the whole day and night. The resident was an old man with heart problems. When he complained, they told him he needs to adjust to society.
     
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  31. r2473

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    Funny thing is, the house on the other side of us is basically a crash house for a bunch of mid-twenty somethings to get drunk, smoke pot, and have sex. I don't really mind this crew actually, but they do start to get noisy (I'm told) around 2-3 in the morning some weekends (nothing wakes me up). Otherwise, they are probably the best people in our cul-de-sac (all things considered). We did ask them to keep it down, but I imagine they really aren't thinking of this when they are blitzed out of their minds at 3 in the morning. Crazy kids.

    KevinT: Probably not something I would do. The lady across the street just has her dog running around crapping everywhere. Which is kind of funny because she also called animal control on us THE VERY FIRST DAY we went to work after moving in (we moved in basically over Christmas a few years ago).

    We talked to animal control and told them our situation. They (basically) told us who called (though they can't really tell us) and told us that they would be fairly understanding if she called again. The dog was actually in our house, but was apparently barking all day (guess she was scared to be in the new place alone).

    But the lady is really old. Her mid-fifties daughter lives with her. She like to "boink" the lawn mower guy (as she poetically put it one day). I try to stay away from them as much as possible.
     
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  32. sureshs

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    May I ask how you know about the last part?
     
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  33. r2473

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    mmmmm.....just a wild guess given the crew that hangs out there.

    I don't know, maybe they are just playing scrabble.

    They invite me to party with them all the time. They hate my wife though (she's not as cool as me). For some reason I decline. They were also nice enough to toss me beers as they watched me paint my house a few summers ago. Nice crew really.

    Almost forgot....as I was painting the house one of the girls was getting a tattoo on her breast in their backyard (I guess someone in the crew is a tattoo artist). Wow....exciting times let me tell ya.
     
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  34. hollywood9826

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    Is the mid fifties daughter hot? I have a lawnmower. and the fact that she actually said "Boink" would make me more inclined to actually bionking her.
     
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  35. tennytive

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    Thanks for your replies, although several seem like no one read my OP. I have an anti bark device set up that was inspected by the police when they were here and approved to remain despite her objections. I had hoped the police would have enforced the city ordinance which is 24 hours, not just overnight, but they implied my only recourse was court.

    It's a Puggle. Half Pug, half Beagle. Research finds that Beagles bark incessantly and are resistant to training.

    What irks us most is the passive aggressive above the law spiteful attitude these neighbors have. More than once they've admitted it to be a problem and said they were taking steps (shock collar) to remedy the situation so that the neighborhood didn't hate them. However when asked how that was working, they decided to abandon that approach as it inflicted unnecessary pain on their dog even though it already was wearing an electric fence collar. ?? Instead their new solution was for me to put my ailing parents in a nursing home, or better yet, have them put to sleep. That way I would move back to my apartment and their lives could go back to "normal".

    Blasting loud music would only make me as bad as they are and disturb other neighbors. I thought of an air horn, and still might try that, but since the whistle is silent I would prefer that option.

    Eliza, normally I enjoy your posts, but what is it your suggesting? That the dog is somehow smarter than I am? I've thought of almost everything suggested here and either tried or rejected many of those options based on common sense. I realize it's the owners fault more than the dog's so telling me something I probably already know doesn't sound like offering much help. The dog is ignored and not exercised enough not to mention being teased. Irresponsible self righteous owners, period.

    How do I *know* this? Because when their family leaves on vacations, they don't take the dog with them. (It's a vacation, remember?) Instead they have another neighbor come to the house and watch him. During this time the dog almost NEVER barks, because that person is kind enough to spend time with the dog and is old enough to remember that keeping a dog from disturbing the neighbors is the rule not the exception.

    Sorry for my long rant, and sureshs, I really appreciate your voice of reason.

    My question remains. Has anyone tried and had luck with a dog whistle?
     
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  36. r2473

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    No

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  37. Talker

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    Why are you waiting? Go to court and get it over with.
    Don't waste time thinking about the situation, resolve it quickly.
    Sometimes you have to do things you don't want but that's just how it is.
    Good luck!
     
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  38. Underhand

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    Feed the dog with haggis.
     
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  39. eliza

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    Tennytive, looks like you do not want advice, just barking.....
    BTW, shock collar cause fear aggression, and your whistles do NOT work. Sorry. I have to say that people who believe a certain dog is "untrainable" make me do this: WOWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ;)
     
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  40. woodrow1029

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    oi. Don't listen to this advice.
     
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  41. GetBetterer

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    Simple!

    You put the dog in a better place...
     
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  42. Kevin T

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    Yeah, not my finest hour and usually not something I would do. I was just enraged by 30 days of picking up another dog's logs. I also found out from long-term residents of the neighborhood he's a real arse. The guy is certainly capable of picking up after his dog. If it was a crazy old lady like your situation, I'd probably be more understanding.

    Don't you love neighbors that volunteer so much personal information in a five minute conversation? I haven't heard the word "boink" in a while, so I might be inclined to talk to her more...just for the entertainment factor.
     
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  43. pabletion

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    killit!

    just kiddin... (half-kiddin). Since youre living in the US, where you get sued if you fart, why not sue? Speak to a lawyer and find out what your legal options are. Id first do that, find the legal actions I could take, then go talk to the neighbours, and tell them really really seriously that you cant take it anymore and that they either take actions so the dog will shut the hell up, or youre taking them to court.....

    Dunno if court time would do the job, or if you have a case where you live, but if that doesnt work, definitely an antibarking device like youve stated, a whistle or something like that that can actually bother the damn dog.
     
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    I like this one...drag the dog owner into court! Sue!
    Even if you have limited rights...make this jerk take notice.
     
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    Same situation about 2 years ago.
    Neighbors had a scottish terrier which they did not interact with at all.
    4 a.m. every morning they let it out...and bark bark bark...neighbors 3 doors over heard this.
    Asked them not to do this- they said we have to let the dog.
    Sent a complaint. Dog didn't come out for like 2 weeks then it started again.
    Complained again...exact samething
    I think around a month after the dog was put down for the 3rd strike(Biting a person)
     
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  46. GetBetterer

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    Could get a small petition from yourself and neighbors that find the dog annoying.
     
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  47. Kam2010

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    Why dont you just pay a hitman to take the dog out
     
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    Inappropriate Vick joke. :)
     
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  49. tennytive

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    I really don't need advice from someone who sounds just like the dog.
     
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  50. borg number one

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    Try working this out without actual litigation, but perhaps a cerified letter citing your available legal remedy would be helpful I'd recommend that perhaps you send a letter to the Owner or try and discuss things with him (which sounds difficult). Note this case below as an example of how one can prevail on a private nuisnce suit as to a loud dog (look for cases in your state and cite those as precedent for your situation). You could pursue a lawsuit in small claims court, even without a lawyer to try and have a court rule that the neighbors need to make adjustments to avoid creating the nuisance.

    http://www.wisbar.org/res/capp/2010/2009ap002794.htm

     
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