Basel Open 2011

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Tammo, Oct 28, 2011.

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Poll closed Nov 7, 2011.
  1. Djokovic

    19 vote(s)
    21.3%
  2. Murray

    12 vote(s)
    13.5%
  3. Federer

    48 vote(s)
    53.9%
  4. Fish

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Roddick

    3 vote(s)
    3.4%
  6. Tipsarevic

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Berdych

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Gasquet

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Young

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  10. Other

    5 vote(s)
    5.6%
  1. Z3kk

    Z3kk Guest

    I don't understand why people using this argument to support why the level of the 2011 top 10 is higher. That's the point of the lower top 10 level argument...the 2011 top 10 is not as strong, and that includes (surprise, surprise!) the #2 and #3.

    Obviously they are no pushovers, and even though the former is slumping really hard and the latter has not been performing too well overall (also, Fed's now the #4 player, not #3), they are both are still pretty good this year...however, on the whole, the level of the top 10 this year is arguably not as high as that of the top 10 then.

    Djokovic is also 2-1 against Murray, the actual #3, and one of his wins is against Mr. I-crumple-in-grand-slam finals (the other is a 3-setter on clay ending in a tie-break).

    Also, you must account for the -entire- season. If Djokovic doesn't win a match from now until the end, clearly his season falls much, much shorter. The point of calling it the best "year" is that it's the entire year. If he completely crumbles in the end, it's a testament to his comparative lack of stamina. Fed in 2006 played and won a ridiculous number of matches. Djokovic didn't, yet he seems to be injured in his losses. Either he's finding excuses, or his body cannot hold up somehow (perhaps a mixture of both), and that's reason enough to consider Fed's 2006 greater.

    Even with his record right now, I doubt his season's place in history as the best of all time. Get over yourselves. A total collapse is just an extrapolation of what is essentially happening now, if he indeed has such a bad injury. I hope he gets well and he isn't hurt too badly, but as for his season...I don't think it's the best.
     
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  2. rafabull

    rafabull Semi-Pro

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    Lol more excuses Djokotards? Kei played better today and that's that. I'm afraid poor Novak will never return to being the "son of god" XD
     
  3. bullfan

    bullfan Legend

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    Very true, I was shocked that Bagdatis didn't finish out the match. Nadal was the worst, making more finals than ever, but not finishing it off except for at FO.
     
  4. Mike Sams

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    Whatever! Djokovic is the dominant #1 because he's far superior to the rest of the field, talent wise. Not because Nadal is declining or has become a heartless coward. Nadal had his time to enjoy being dominant last year when NOBODY on the tour was playing well. Now Nadal can get a taste of a real rivalry.
    Djokovic blew away Federer and Murray back to back at the AO in straight sets. He crushed Nadal 6 times on all surfaces. You need a reality check mate. Djokovic is a super talented player who has stepped up his game and is the best player walking the earth by far. You can ridicule him and disrespect his competition all you like but it's the very same competition which Federer and Nadal enjoyed dominating against for years. Don't try to discredit Djokovic for doing the same thing.
    As for choking, it's part of the game. It simply means you're not mentally strong enough to compete, and as everybody knows, mental strength is half the battle.
     
  5. Mike Sams

    Mike Sams Legend

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    Yeah and as many would say, a big choke from Federer as usual which allowed Nadal to lift the trophy yet again. LOL!
     
  6. Mike Sams

    Mike Sams Legend

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    Yep, Kei played better today. But is he a better player than Djokovic you think based on their respective accomplishments, rafabull?
     
  7. Mike Sams

    Mike Sams Legend

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    Were you in a coma during the Djokovic/Nadal matches in IW and Miami? LOL! Completely outplayed Djokovic until the choke? How about Djokovic raising his level and starting to give Nadal all sorts of trouble in many of those grinding rallies and forcing Nadal to go for winners and bigger serves?
    As for Roger choking? That's the story of his career. LOL!
    Baggy lost because he's not good enough. All this choking BS is out the door. You've never played a sport in your life it seems.:)
     

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