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  1. Meaghan

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    Just seen Stan Wawrinka with a Yonex, sh*t man, BB need to get their act together the Melbourne would have really suited Wawrinkas game imo, it hits a real sweet 1hbh. Depressing!
     
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    His name can't possibly sell racquets! Volkl almost signed Tommy Robredo a couple of years back, but I couldn't see how he could sell frames. Huber helps them to sell some frames to CC women though, amazing as that sounds. Kim and Taino a few years back did help them in the SoCal junior market.

    Melbournes...get back2u in a few hours.....
     
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    Let's be honest, how many names actually sell racquets to the masses? I would guess less then 10, and I am including women and retired stars like Agassi, Mac and Sampras.

    Is this assumption wrong?
     
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    Maybe but he could certainly sell frames better than anyone bb has at the mo, oh yes no one! That might be so in the US but stan has a lot of friends in europe and he is a top 15 player at best. Would be a good catch imo, yonex seem to think so.
     
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    Pp I disagree you only have to look at the section on players gear here on tt. I think most of us like players who fit into our own playing style. I have looked at players with 1hbh and what they use whether its sampras or stakovsky.
     
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    The Eastern Section is always in the Top Three, and every kid here is playing with the Nadal or Roddick frame in every tourney, every JDP, and every TTP. It's ridiculous. You'll also see some Bab Storms, and every once and a while you'll see a Prestige here and there. The kids want to play with what they see on TV, and their games develop accordingly. Therefore, when they grow-up, they will stay with the same frame. I competed with a Dunlop Maxply as a junior, and I have never strayed from frames which had the same feel.
     
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    BB need exposure are you telling me that making a loss with taking on someone like wawrinka wouldn't have an affect on sales in the long run. its a risk worth taking imo. Robredo would haver been good value into the spanish market. I've played there on the same clay courts as nadal in majorca, they are not stupid they don't all want the apd!
     
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    The Volkl EU market is much smaller than the USA market. You need to feed the beast, and the beast is in the USA. They need an American player or an exciting high ranked non-American player. No American junior is going to find Stan Warinka cool. Cool rules here, good or bad.

    Just sent you an email.
     
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    Ok mav I was just gonna ask percentage of sales difference and I understand but maybe by getting someone eu based may have an affect on the future roddicks if there are any. Problem is isner its your only hope atm, imo bb and volkl best get back to your roots mate
     
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    Volkl may not have a choice, since there are no good young Americans in sight.
     
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    How about Young or Harrison,maybe even Sock? Has anyone got their paws on him yet?
     
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    I don't know about Sock, but the other two are already locked-up.
     
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    Yep that is what I figured. Only the most popular guys are going to move product. I see most juniors down here rocking the same sticks as you are seeing. That's why really only certain guys move product.

    When I was a junior it was the same thing..what was Agassi, Chang , courier, Sampras using? Pick one and grab some prince syn gut and let's play.
     
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    Sam Querry was at our club testing new racquets, but it looks like he likes the Nadal stick. No more Princes for him
     
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    Is that really the case Mav....?

    Murray goes on about the british system, that its easy to be mediocre, they get lazy. We have a few good youngsters but like murray they are prob best moving away to further themselves.

    As for bb and volkl they need to start somewhere so they at least have someone playing in the public eye to attract other players or future stars.
     
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    American teenagers are exceptionally independent, and don't respect authority. They respect you only if they LIKE you. Unless there is a specific motivating factor to excel, they don't make for good students. Therefore, Pat McEnroe's approach, socialized tennis training, doesn't work here, even at the highest levels, where they just send a coach out with a player. American society at the elite level functions with high autonomy from control, and the system that the USTA has put in, socially, has a lot of issues. These kids at the training facilities basically behave like American college students, with teenage minds. The distractions, high school type social hierarchy, sex, you name it, all come into play. As a coach, I am in much more agreement with John than Pat.

    Another thing is that American kids who play tennis come from affluent backgrounds where there is an exceptional degree of democracy and power sharing in the family. Thus, 10-year old tennis players can say, "STFU Dad, I have a coach. Get out of the locker room and get me something to eat so I won't be tired for my next match." Trust me, that is a direct quote, and the father shut-up and did what he was told. Freedom without the constraints of experience, regardless of how intelligent, is a recipe for re-inventing the wheel and wasting a lot of time an energy until the kid gets it through trial and error, which can be dangerous and painful. Focus and commitment is difficult to come by when your choices are unlimited, and what makes things worse, for some reason, elite tennis players in the USA seem to be afflicted with ADD and LD's, more than in other sports--Roddick, Ginepri, Fish. I believe that the individual aspects of tennis, allows these kids to gravitate to playing, because they don't have to conform as they do in other sports, so unless a kid just pops-up like a Nadal, real soon, there isn't a future champion on the horizon, unless Harrison or Sock wake-up or catch fire.
     
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    Really good points there. Junior tennis in the US comes with a very strong sense of entitlement. I know because I quit cold turkey at 16 for the same reason. I wanted to be the best at something, and I was better at guitar and was able to make it my living. It is intense ADD, intense focus, an obsession with being the best, and when it is shattered, sometimes it is very tough to recover from that.

    Down in FL, there was such intense competition among juniors, almost a pure hatred for each other at times. I would beat a guy in a ladder match and he would badger me for days for a rematch, even off the schedule. We could not stand to lose, it ruined us. Sometimes losing is very very tough to overcome as a teen.

    Anyway, I only cared about Agassi. Everyone else could fall off a cliff. I watched Brad Gilbert live and didnt know who he was or care. I became a Mal Washington fan only because I met him at a tourney. When Agassi switched to Donnay it was too late. I had already bought into the Prince OS and that was my stick. I just bought the crazy clothes he would wear and his shoes instead.
     
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    The kids in the East won't even practice with each other, and unless a coach really has something going on and can't be threatened, if he is coaching one endorsed player, that player's parent will not accept the coach working with another high ranked player intimately. There are actually parents who will not say who the kids coach is, for fear that a competitor will seek him out. These kids only compete against each other in sanctioned events, as TTPs don't count, since they are all only drilling--both of which hamper a player's development. For highly individualistic teens, the fact that they can't just hit and play with each other to discover their skills and to evolve, as kids do in soccer, basketball, football, and baseball, just in pick-up games, is remarkably moronic.

    Agassi clothes? By the time he was wearing the denim shorts with spandex, I was already coaching and done playing, but I still have two pair, both of which I wore maybe 2-3 times, in matches only. I was already wearing the long spandex--which only runners were starting to use--to train with indoors to stay limber, way back in '83, and indoor club managers would sometimes give me a hard time, so I would wear short spandex under my tennis shorts, LOL!
     
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    LOl..yes I admit to wearing the Agassi clothes. I mean, I was 12 so it's not so bad, but still..pretty hideous gear.

    Agassi made me like tennis. I used to play because my parents hooked me up and it was kind of fun, but when I saw what he could do to the ball it was very inspiring to me. I would compare it to when Nevermind came out in the 90s.
     
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    Interesting to hear, greatness often comes from the working classes and a work ethic to achieve, sadly tennis and its systems are not easily accessible to those who may have what it takes.
     
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    There are just too many choices, too much independence, and a high disregard for authority here, so middle class and working class kids have issues as well. Working class kids respect authority even less than other kids, whether they like you or not. They also have less parental support in every way and are on their own at a very young age, so they are less malleable to conform into the rigid competitive tennis' cultural environment. That and other reasons, such as, race and its respective cultural background, all of which is way to much to get into here. Middle class kids have things tugging at them from all directions, making it difficult to remain focussed. That could be part time jobs, struggling parental income, inability to purchase needed gear, friends who don't play tennis, burn-out, religious background, etc. The kids who have been making head roads in American tennis, whether that be juniors--in high school, tennis is frequently now referred to as an "Asian Sport", collegiates, or pros, are predominately immigrant kids. Cases in-point: Agassi, Chang, and Sampras.
     
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    Agassi was the reason I stuck with tennis once I found out how to score. I was about 12 when I first found a wood racquet in th garage, played for 2 years before we knew how to score...and used the same can of balls that entire time.

    To a 14 year old, Agassi seemed like he was giving rich kids the finger...yeah, didn't really know anything about him other than the controversy early on. I guess image was everything ;-) Between that and Conners last run at the Open, I thought, there's something to this and it's a hell of a lot of fun. Inspiring enough to get both my brother and I far enough along to play college tennis...of course I was wearing my Agassi shoes.
     
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    Just a quick update on my Melbourne...

    Had the chance to get out last couple of days, yesterday was a club tourney event, managed seven sets of doubles and one set of singles, losing two doubles sets.

    Cold day and and for the majority played well until the cold set in in the last hour or so and I stiffened up, it was prob about -1° at the time!

    Anyways the racket performed very well, big serving stick, really easy slider on the deuce court which I love, it feels natural, not all sticks do this well imo. I'm used to a couple of aces per service game and the Melly didn't let me down. Becker bombs.
    My fave ground stroke is my 1hbh and I'm hitting it so sweet and I felt like I could do anything with my fh when I was warm.

    Today was slightly different, I was stiff from 5 hrs the day before plus I had some issues with my arm from trying to play when my body was seizing up in the cold. It was windy and cold today, usual english fare, I was struggling for any consistency in the gusty wind, feeling late on everything. So I decided to take a gram of weight from my upper hoop, bam I was back on it.

    I also had a few games with my dnx10 mid and it was good to compare. I realised how powerful the melbourne is, I found myself hitting slightly long with the becker today but it was hard to judge depth in the wind and I'm sure my tension has dropped significantly from my initial trials. Once I took the extra weight off the hoop it felt like a slightly more powerful dnx10 mid.

    It is good to make a note that I can adjust the weight for easier and more difficult conditions. Will try this slightly lighter melbourne again in better conditions and see how it compares to yesterdays excellent play before it got cold.
     
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    If it's windy, playing below 40F is tough for accomplished players because the wind makes it difficult to stay warm. You need to be careful. Seriously; even if you are 16-25 years old. With no wind, it's not and issue if you're in good health. I make my guys play down to 35F, especially the kids who drive their own SUVs and Beemers at 17. They need to learn how to be tough when everything is given to them.

    If you want to make life easy, and you can't get on court with at least 4-6 racquets, strung and weighted for different conditions, instead of using lead, use athletic tape when only dealing with a gram or less. Its so easy that way. 1/2 inch of white athletic tape is 1/3 the weight of lead tape, so three layers is equal to one layer of lead tape. Then you can tear your athletic tape to size quickly, and apply or remove in 60 seconds on a changeover, or even pre-tear the tape, stick onto the net, and you can do it in-between points if you wish. It can be done that fast.
     
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    Yeah I struggle in the cold and wind....I'm fit and have very little body fat to keep me warm and I feel like the cold sets into my muscles and messes with my rythym. Its difficult as I wanna play but I've deffo strained my body.

    As for the adjustments in weight, I have lead in my bag cut to size and weight. My one gram adjustment I mentioned above was taking the 8g down to 7g between 11 & 1.
     
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    I feel ya!

    When it is windy and drops below 40F, we bag the on-court and go to the wall to workout, and then, do footwork/form shadow drills. The intensity is so high that you stay warm, and your body stays safe.
     
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    Haven't tried this, but I've heard good reports about it.

    http://www.uniqlo.com/ht_w/us/
     
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    Hope you had a great holiday!

    Good call on this. I've walked past there tons of times and never noticed it. It is only 8 blocks or so from my place, so I'll have to check it out.
     
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    Thanks for that I will look into it........I play throughout our winter often at temperatures around zero, Im OK for an hour but then the body starts slowing down. I could do with a tight thermal like long sleeved t-shirt, maybe these work??
     
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    The compression tops from Nike Pro Combat work really well. They are comfortable and the snugness helps keep the warmth in. I usually wear a long sleeve one under a microfibre T shirt and it's great, even down into the 30's.

    I use them for both tennis and running; a must-have for winter.
     
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    That's what I was thinking of thanks.....
     
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    Just been talking to someone in the US who told me the melbourne is now discontinued, is this the case and if so are they bringing out a new version?
     
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    It's not discontinued--I asked a few weeks ago. It is in the new preliminary 2012 catalog. They may or may not update it after two years, depending on sales. I do not understand why it has not sold as well as the PB 10 Mid, because it is just as great. But four years for a stick, the Legend/Melbourne is a pretty good run. The lower MAP is to increase sales, and to match the price of the other BB player sticks.
     
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    Not discontinued is what we like to hear :)
     
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    for those of us interested in the nerdier stuff in life....

    As I have full western grips on both sides I slightly mold my handle to protrude slightly at the bottom of the handle on the side bevel for my fingers to find without thought. I use a couple of strips of velcro to flare and grip over.....

    Anyways I had forgotten that id used some lead pieces on top of each other as I had run out of velcro. I removed this weight today and added the velcro. I was surprised to find it was almost 2g and relocated it at the top of the handle to maintain my balance (i now have 3 stripes of lead at top of handle circumference).

    Ive always disliked weight added at the butt and now this racket feels even more manouverable, also helped by the extended shape of my grip, which makes wristiy angles easier.

    The added strip at top of handle has slightly muted the stringbed even more which Im happy with.

    Im still tinkering and nearly there with the Melly, it took me about a month to get the pb10/dnx10 mids to near perfection. Im amazed often that I can play well then tinker and that level pops up a notch, its a small notch, but those of us with a feel for it then the time and thought is worth while.

    Haha my wife just laughs her head off at this kinda stuff !!
     
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    What did you recommend re: tension drop on the cross strings in relation to the mains. The melbourne needs a restring and I thought I'd string two piece and see if it enhances the dwell time.

    Remember I'm fully poly....
     
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    Not Mav but I have heard from previous posts about Becker and Volkl sticks to string the crosses 2-3lbs less. This apparently only applies if you have constant pull machine. If you are using a crank Mav has suggested that you string the mains and the crosses the same as the crank does not overcome the tension lost due to the cross strings extra friction.
     
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    On another note. Just received my Melbourne- Thanks Mav. Love the way this stick feels in hand, swings lighter than expected - I cant wait to hit the courts tomorrow.
     
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    thanks.....what was it about your legends that you didn't like? It would be nice to hear a comparison with the melbourne.
     
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    Comparison will have to wait until I get some true court time with the Melbourne. Although the Legend hit a very heavy ball I found the balance a little off , making quick adjustments under pressure more difficult than I would like. I tried changing the balance but this made the static weight too heavy for my liking. The Melbourne seems to have fixed this issue with more of a head light balance, but still has that incredible plow the Legend had. I can now appreciate why Mav had said this stick has the plow of a mid with the forgiveness of a 98 stick.
     
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    Exactly!

    Also, the Melbourne strings-up tightly. We dropped 8-10 lbs, which is substantial from the previously used frames, which were the DNX 10/BB 11/Legend/London, all of which were strung anywhere between 63M/60C- 68/64.5.

    The stick which I sent to you, Murray_fan1, was strung at 57M/54C, but it will feel tighter than that because of stringing technique, even though the string has settled. The current stick we are using is strung at 53/50 with Gripper 16L, which is the same tension as the London Tour/PB 10 Mid that I am using, which is obviously smaller and more flexible. If I were to string the Melbourne with poly, I would start somewhere around 45M/42C, and that would be with Cyclone or V-Pro. Be advised that my reference tension is usually 5-7 lbs tighter than most stringer's string jobs.
     
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    Are you stringing with a Crank or CP machine? Just wondering if you adjust the tension accordingly to match the Crank's tension drawback and if so by how much?
     
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    Yes crank about 7 lbs I lose.....
     
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    I think becker has made an easier to use legend in the melbourne. Like volkl did with the pb10 mid from the dnx10 mid. As I weight mine up id be interested in trying the legend too as I preferred the dnx mid to the powerbridge.
     
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    Glad that it came-in OK!

    I did have some lead at 6:00, covering the center 10 mains without any dead center to allow for the stringing machine post, but the coach who uses the frame, asked me to take it off so that he could hit with more spin. We replaced that lead tape with 1/2 inch athletic tape at 3/9, 4 inches long, which is about .66 grams. That stabilizes the frame when trying to hit with more spin, yet, makes the stock balance basically perfect. If you hit flat, put the tape back on the center. This frame needs very little mods. His Legend was 365 grams, but the Melbourne's lay-up solved the need for the extra weight which the Legend required.
     
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    I hit with the Melbourne today. What a sweet racquet. So precise, soft feel, loving the cap type grommets. BB got it right with this one.
     
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    Glad to hear you've discovered our little secret ;-)
     
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    Mav, others....

    A string recommendation. Don't know if you have used tour bite but for me it has the best grip feel and control and stability of any string I have used, including alu and it lasts longer. Problem is in my melbourne it doesn't, cos I've got to string lower, although its relatively tight, I have a smaller window where the string performs at its best. Ok I'm still happy with this set up but I think I'm willing to test a few more strings. Also like everyone has said I do lose some of the dwell time I'm used to with the dnx mids...

    I'm looking for something that its still stiffish with good ball pocketing and grip, the closest I used that had this was gosen polymaster that is a stiff durable rectangular string which was surprisingly soft in feel but its a pain in the *** to get hold of in uk. Anything that may not have passed my radar, I've tried loads and my faves have always erred towards old school stiff poly, pacific poly force, alu etc.....

    Any thoughts......?

    On another note I've just picked up the legend to compare. This may suit a higher tension tour bite better if the reviews are anything to go by.
     
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    The tighter the stringbed, the more I stay away from poly. In the Melbourne, you are looking at a tight stringbed with Power Big Grommet tech--funnel-shaped grommets--which creates the pocket, but IMPO, needs a string to move in the pocket. You can try a soft shaped co-poly, like Cyclone or Black/Red Code, and string with a CP machine at around 40M/37C, and see if that works for you. Otherwise, I would advise a snappy type of multi, which is a multi with a sharper bite, like PowerFiber II, Gripper, or Venom. 17 gauge should last fairly long in this frame because the string movement due to the tighter string bed is less.
     
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    So, i finally switched to Melbourne. After trying it for 6 month i switched. Like everything about it. It hits just as heavy as my BB11SE and yet it is just under 12.5 strung. Perfect. The setup is - Wilson Gut 16 at 62 Lbs, some lead at 3&9.
    Love the frame.
    It is perfect for my game - i am all courter, hit flat but, fast and hard.
    Yes, BB got it right on this frame.
     

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