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  1. theagassiman

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    Dunno about you.
    But I find Johnny Mac BEAUTIFUL to watch.
    Those short, crazy groundstrokes, the contorted crane-like service motion.
    Deceptively beauty.

    And yet he managed to win some.

    It doesn't matter how good you are, to get an audience to watch you, your game has to be BEAUTIFUL.

    McEnroe
    Federer
    Sampras
    Borg
    Agassi
    EVEN Nadal
    All have BEAUTIFUL games.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. BTURNER

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    No women have beautiful games I gather.
     
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  3. LameTennisPlayer

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    i only agree with the top three
     
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  4. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    My list of players who I find most beautiful and captivating to watch in a loose order are:

    Federer/McEnroe


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    Graf/Edberg
    Wilander
    Borg
    Rafter

    Henin
    Rios
    Rosewall
    - (Slight conundrum because I find his game utterly beautiful except for his serve which I find really unsightly.)
    Lendl
    Evert
    Sampras
    Gasquet
    Stich

    Mecir

    Also over the last couple of years there are times when I find Gulbis' game absolutely captivating. Also, I am keen to watch just about every single del Potro match from now on. I only find his style to be fairly pleasing to my eyes, but I don't have a freaking clue what is going to happen in his matches because of his mentality and hot streaks. I am absolutely compelled to watch matches he is involved in. Also, Andy Murray has an interesting sense of artistry and craftsmanship about him.
     
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  5. pc1

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    Obviously the old time players I will mention here are from videos I've seen.

    Bobby Riggs-I've seen some videos of this guy and I think the guy was so smooth and had perfect strokes.

    Pancho Gonzalez-Great touch and power.

    Ken Rosewall-Perfect form and movement. Plus his lob and touch were beautiful to watch.

    Rod Laver-In watching this man play, when he hit some of hot streaks it seemed like he thought the only way he could win a point was to hit the lines. Beautiful movement, balance and power. He could hit shots no one could think of.

    Bjorn Borg-At his best his movement was so great you thought that it's impossible for someone to have so much range. His strokes are great to watch and he just seemed to have an aura about him when you saw him play in person.

    Jimmy Connors-I know no one has mentioned him but I love the way he hits the ball so purely. His movement is excellent and in a way I enjoy it more that he usually spins the ball in on his serve so we can see his great groundies.

    John McEnroe-He's hard to appreciate the first time you see him because he seems to do everything wrong. However after a while you grow to appreciate his genius on the court. You enjoy his angles, spins, on the rise shots and drops shots and touch. His movement, while perhaps not on the level of a Rosewall is excellent.

    Ivan Lendl-Great ball striker with a beautiful serve. I appreciate the great groundies.

    Pete Sampras-Maybe the last of his breed, the great serve and volleyer. Wonderful service motion and great movement. His running forehand is like the Mona Lisa. (Maybe a bit of an exaggeration.:) )

    Mecir-The man had it all. He covered so much ground and so smoothly. He changed pace and hit angles that defied the laws of nature. Beautiful touch, he could volley and I loved the way he could change the angles on his groundstrokes.

    Of course current players like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray are fun to watch. One player I don't enjoy watching is Roddick. I appreciate him but hate his movement and strokes. Davydenko is fun to watch too as well as Nalbanian. Now that I think of it I enjoy watching Nalbanian in top form more than anyone currently.
     
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  6. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Ah yes, a flowing Nalbandian is a pretty awesome sight, especially that backhand. You should feel free to add a little paragraph of description for him as you have done for the former pros, no?
     
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  7. pc1

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    Not much to say about Nalbanian that you don't know already. The man just has beautiful groundies and a backhand that some would give up a spare organ for.

    I should mention some of my favorite female players.

    Evonne Goolagong-Miss Sunshine is so elegant in her movement. Beautiful backhand and a terrific volleyer. Great touch. She could hit some insane angles on her groundies and volleys.

    Chris Evert-Like her former fiancee Jimmy Connors, just a beautiful striker of the ball. Maybe the best drop shot of any female player I've seen with a superb lob. Her backhand is perhaps the greatest ever.

    Hana Mandlikova-Ridiculously erratic and fun to watch. At her best during the Navaratilova era she was the one who dictated the flow of the match, even against the great Navratilova. She had a pretty backhand and she was capable of running in on a great serves like Navratilova's and taking the serve on the rise for winners. It was so laughable at times that a player of the all time level of Navratilova's can be made to look so helpless against a player. Navratilova would have this look of despair when Mandlikova was on her game.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbDeM2vwRDE

    She had a great volley (when on), great power, speed and with Serena Williams, perhaps the best female player I've seen when on her game. I think she knew when she was on her game, no one could stop her, including Navratilova.

    Steffi Graf-Everyone knows her. Maybe the fastest female player I've seen and her forehand is the greatest single groundstroke I've seen in Women's tennis. Love to see her hit that forehand.

    Henin-I like her because she is so versatile and her backhand is a beautiful flowing stroke. Beautiful strokes in general with excellent movement and great defensive skill, which I enjoy.

    Clijsters-Her movement is so great and I'm always amused when she does the splits to reach what seems like an unreachable shot. I like her strokes.

    Serena Williams-Great service motion and it amazes me how well she can defend. Everyone talks about her great attacking skills but I enjoy it more when she reaches seeming winners by her opponents, gets them back and wins the point. So great under pressure in major tournaments.
     
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  8. kingdaddy41788

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    I think almost every player's game has some form of beauty to it. Federer's is a very graceful, flowing one. Nadal's is a more intense, feverish (as is Agassi's, IMO). There are many, many kinds of beauty.
     
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  9. pmerk34

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    Except great results.
     
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    Unfortunately. Well Mecir did win the Olympics and the WCT championship. If he was healthy I think he would have had great results.
     
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  11. Yaz

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    In addition to those mentioned some of the players I enjoy(ed) watching are

    Stefan Edberg
    Martina Hingis
    Rod Laver

    Believe it or not I get a kick out of watching Frank Dancevic - kind of like a "Federer-lite". He's got a fun game to watch and is a pretty good shotmaker, just not very disciplined in his play...lol
     
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  12. Nathaniel_Near

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    HAHAAAA... yes I get a kick out of Dancevic as well. I used to call him the 'Little Federer'. ;) ... :D

    Remember that match he had against Nadal at the 2007 Canada Masters event? *laughing* He played one of the best return games of the year to break one time.

    Thanks for reminding me of Frank.
     
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    I agree with the part above in bold. But I guess, therefore, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder--because I don't consider those groundstrokes beautiful.

    I consider them short and crazy.
     
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  14. pc1

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    Ah, the strokes may be short and crazy but the results were beautiful.:)

    But I know what you mean. The first few times I saw McEnroe I thought to myself, how can anyone win with these awful looking strokes?! A buddy of mine asked me how he could win like that. But he of course fooled me and my friend, he won a lot with those strokes and he's lasted a long time.

    You know, it might be an interesting topic, to discuss ugly looking strokes that are effective or great players with some ugly strokes like Edberg's forehand.
     
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  15. swordtennis

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    Yes the old timers are "beautiful" in a Salvador Dali kind of way. :)
    Wacky doo. i remember watching Borgs service motion in slow motion a few years back. Funky man. funky. Funk.
    Laver and Fed are more along the lines of a Picasso or Rembrandt.
     
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    Edberg belongs at/near the top of the list.

    His mechanics, his forward movement, the way he constructed points, his volleys, his backhand, all up there with the best.

    Also, people always talk about how Fed's longevity can be attributed to his on-court grace. IIRC, Edberg is still playing, and I doubt there's a single man his age (44) who can beat him. If that's not longevity, I don't know what is.
     
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    Players I loved to watch, most have already been mentioned.

    Loved to watch how these folks constructed points. In other words I loved watching their minds at work. Laver, Connors McEnroe, Mecir, Federer, Evert, Hingis ,King

    Loved watching these folks stroke the ball, Laver, Edberg, Mandlikova, Hingis, Federer, Sabatini, Henin, Agassi

    Loved watching these folks move, Mcenroe, Edberg, borg Mecir, Chang, Navratilova, Clisters, Graf, Venus Williams,
     
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  18. Rick_Bremer

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    For me the three of them got beautiful game!

    Federer
    Sampras
    Nadal
     
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  19. hoodjem

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    I will admit that when Mac was at the net, he was beautiful, and the results were also.
     
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  20. darthpwner

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    Disagree, you can have a beautiful, fiery personality that can attract fans. I wouldn't consider Agassi and Nadal to have beautiful games. Borg you could make a case for because he moonballed on clay which is very hard to watch.
     
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  21. pmerk34

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    Agassi game was beautiful to me. Not his movement but the power and precision and the sound of his ground strokes
     
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  22. darthpwner

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    I felt his main problem was mental, and he usually had the yips when he served.
     
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  23. adidasman

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    Effective, yes. But McEnroe's game beautiful? Not even close. Give me Laver and Federer (just perfect in every sense), Henri Leconte (so fluid), Nalbandian (lovely in his simplicity), Hingis (in her astute use of the court), Graf (so athletic and precise), or, the one most would argue, Muster - for the beauty of brute, blunt ferocity. Aspects of Edberg's game were aesthetically wonderful as well, and he moved so well, but that forehand...ugh. Borg's movement and implacability was a delight. But McEnroe? Nope.
     
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