Becker11 LIGHT 58 octane leaded

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  1. NoBadMojo

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    Thought to slap some lead on this racquet and take it out for a dance. Strung at 58 with Excellerator.
    The racquet responded very well to the lead. I'm not much of a lead person. I put some just below the upper dnx bracelets in the hoop and about twice as much around the collar grip cuff. the racquet also has a Volkl calfskin grip on it.
    It's a very nice hit, low powered, spinny, solid, and comfortable. an all around great racquet.
    This would be a great racquet for someone whose game requires high batspeed, but has lost some for whatever reasons. Someone who has good stroke mechanics. I could string this frame at around 55 with the Mojo setup and not have control issues.
    Does is have good plow through? naah..it's light. you've got to use batspeed..it's not a chippers/blockers type of frame. does it hit a heavy ball? naah..light racquets dont hit heavy balls unless you hit it like Nadal. is it stable? sure is...pretty much any racquet is stable if the sweetzone is struck with enough batspeed or momentum
    I could easily use this frame and compete well with it at my level. Likely I will go to these leaded up by a qualified person when the Becker11 standard becomes too much frame for me, unless Volkl/becker comes up w. something better for me
    The racquet got dismissed because it's too light....that's really not a reason to declare a racquet as crap.all it means is that it may be too light for that particular person.
    Thought to post this as this frame got an unecessary bad rap IMO. be glad to answer any questions
     
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    Volleys?

    Bet you could serve the snot out of the ball with that tinker toy :)

    J
     
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    precision volleys..you've got to pay particular attention to using your body mass (legs) to get enough stick on your volley however

    serves were very jumpy and lively as opposed to the B11Standard which hits more heavy and piercing.

    if i was playing mostly hardcourt, i'd likely be using the Light leaded..playing almost always on the dirt, the b11 standard works better for me.
     
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    You suggest that "any racquet is stable if the sweetzone is struck." That would seem to be a given. I think people are more concerned about stability when the sweetzone isn't struck. How did this racquet fare under those less ideal conditions?
     
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  5. Peter Szucs

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    I would have guessed that the more open string pattern would work better for you on clay. why is it the other way around for you? btw i am gettin the b11 standard tomorrow, will get back with some feedback in a little while.
     
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    I would think that with the light bat against a heavy hitter you would really have to take the ball on the way up and hit very very flat with a full swing to get the ball through the court.

    I would think that in order to be effective from a shear firepower stand (Even though you, your racquet, and style of play are not built for that kind of prolonged fight) you would have to really focus on taking it to the ball, and keeping the ball on your opponents side of the net for as long as possible.

    Correct?

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    J-Man I read both parts of your post a couple times and really am not understanding what you're getting at.

    In the first part, and I am not saying I hit the ball like nadal or any pro, but he uses a light racquet on the dirt and spends a lot of time well behind the baseline, hits against guys who hits big shots and hits with a bunch of spin. I mention a pro because that is one player we can have a known common reference too

    what do you mean by keeping the ball on the opponents side of the net for as long as possible? that sounds like a pusher thing..i'm not a pusher and pushing doesnt work at my level of play
     
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  8. lucu

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    bb11 lite is the "update versions" of dnx10MP295g with 16x19 instead of 18x20?
     
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    yes..that would be a good way to look at it. just as you could say that the B11 standard is the next gen of the standard dnx10mp and even more applicable because both are 18x20's.
     
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  10. lucu

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    mojo, i don't quite understand where you put the lead and how much you put it?

    is it you put it at 6 o'clock and ..?
     
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    i put some strips of lead just below the top dnx bracelets in the hoop which would be a little north of 3 and 9. i put about twice that amount above the grip collar cuff. i dont play by measurement....i play by feel. this was enough to smooth me out a bit and to create a slightly more imposing ball. if i were serious about changing, I would add more lead to get it to perform best for me and then send all the frames off to be matched. the swingweight felt around the 310 mark this way and 315-320 with 320 being my limit seems optimal for me with a pretty headlight balance.
     
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    I'm not really getting at anything. Just trying to get a feel for the type of player/style of play that the 11 light would be suited to. My post was speculation on my part, because I am very unfamiliar with underpowered bats, and they are extremely unsuited to my style of play.

    Nadal's bat in addition to being bigger headsize and stiffer than the 11 light, is heavier in stock form and from the word on the street he has a healthy amount of lead under the bumper. I would be absolutely floored if Nadal's personal bats didn't pack a wallop.

    What I mean by keeping the ball on the other guys side of the court for as long as possible, is pretty much the exact opposite of a pusher thing. I am referring to someone who crowds the baseline and storms the net at the earliest opportunity.

    I am trying to figure out who would be optimally suited to playing the 11 light at a high (5.0+) level of play. Because reading the stat sheet, it really looks like it would come up short against a heavy ball, and I am trying to puzzle out what style of play would work with that.

    J
     
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  13. NoBadMojo

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    **as above,,,,,,,,
     
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    I bet he would become Becker's new found best friend if he would just go out and buy 12-16 special edition frames in order to satisfy his "need for numbers" :). Jolly ...you'll need to give A LOT of lessons to pay for those mate ;)
     
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    Nah, the bats don't cost me much at all. It is the stringing that is a backbreaker.

    J
     
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  16. 0d1n

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    The ones Mojo is talking about are around 500 bucks a pop. If you buy 10 of those ... that's 5000. If that's not "very much" then you're a rich man ;).
     
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    Yeowzer... I missed the price tag on those :)

    I was talking about how much my wilsons cost me.

    J
     
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    Just a little off topic but, if my game is built around chipping and charging the net, and I block returns back more often than I rip them ( kind of a like a low rent Paul Annacone) then does that mean I'll do better with a heavier racquet that has good plow through than a light racqeut that needs me to use more bat speed? Would that also mean that a racquet with more plow through is better for volleys because they're blocking/punching kinds of shots?
     
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  19. lucu

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    yes, i think so. heavier racquets is a better fit for you
     
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  20. NoBadMojo

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    i think you have an excellent grasp on racquet selection especially on service returns and chip/charges....less on the volley as it is possible to volley well with many lighter racquets.

    of course the danger is that in an effort to gain the plow through you lose the batspeed you need on other shots <like the serve....especially the 2nd serve>.....every racquet i've ever tried had some sort of tradeoff vs another racquet..you just never get everything rolled into one racquet, as much as we may try
     
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    Thanks. I just went back and looked at the racquets Ive used and the specifications on the ones I really loved. I got the best results with the sticks around 12oz with a swing weight of 321-330. I think that might be due to them having enough weight to chip, block and punch my shots but not so much weight I couldnt still get the head through quickly enough. I can volley well with the lighter racquets but Im not Stefan Edberg so I dont hit every one perfect especially when Im charging the net on everything and have to hit lots of stab volleys and reflex volleys where you dont get a perfect set up. The extra but not excess weight helps me more with those shots than a fast but not substatial racquet.
     
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    NoBadMojo,
    I am so glad you came back and appreciate your post about leading up BB11 Light.
    My question for you is whehter you get more power and a larger sweetspot by leading up the stick? Since you made the request the swingweight like DNX9, can you compare the two? Does it hit like DNX9? I have been using DNX9 and although I have a good result with DNX9, I feel I would like to try a softer feeling racket with the same level of power as DNX9.

    Thank you for your help.
     
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    Hi..sure..you're welcome. i'm a good candidate to compare the two since I used the dnx9's for several months and the swingweight and balance of the dnx9 was good for me.
    I have one with the mojo string setup and leather like I had with the dnx9's and have it leaded to swing like I remember the dnx9 to swing..unfortunately we have a noreaster here this morning and we couldnt get our hit in, so I'll post more on this another day in this thread.
    I played well with the dnx9 and liked everything about them save for the ball feel..the frame is solid..i just didnt like the feel. i do like the ball feel of the b11Light..will let you know about the performance later
     
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    Had a chance to followup on this. Had a good hit with this frame setup as per above. It did swing like I remember the dnx9 but I liked the ball feel quite a lot better.

    I wouldnt recommend stringing the B11L up tightly. I had one at my usual 58-59 for a frame like this, and was hitting everything short in the court with my normal swings and the sweetspot wasnt generous. The one with the Mojo setup is at 55, and it plays nicely right there...sweetspot opens up and there is controllable power....this is not a powerful frame..it's a make your own power frame....

    to answer your q's, you would likely find the power level of the dnx9 and b11L similar..dont know which frame you would find softer..i bet the stiffnesses are similar, but they flex in different ways..the b11 feels more firm in the hoop and the dnx9 more firm in the throat and flexy in the head
     
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  25. Macenrios

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    NoBadMojo,
    Thank you for very much for posting the comparison ans sorry I did not reply your post at the first place.

    I like the sneaky power of DNX9 when I hit its sweet zone and it penetrates the court. Does BB11L leaded up hit like that? I want to demo BB11L to find out that but there is no demo available here.

    Thank you for your help as always.
     
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    agree with NBMJ that the dnx-9 is firm in the throat...
    i suppose all V- engine is firm in the throat?????
     
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    NoBadMojo,
    I understand BB11L with lead up, it perform similar to DNX9. It is still difficult for me to make a decision to switch to BB11Light from DNX9 as it seems I only gain different feeling by the switch. Please let me ask another question. It is about sweetspot of BB11L. Does it become as huge as T10Gen2 when lead up and loose the tension? There was an incident when I started to think I should use a larger sweetspot than my current racket, DNX9. I played at a local tournament a few weeks ago and I beat 4.0 player with 8-1 and 4.5 players with 8-1 (each game were close but I was lucky he was using K90 and missed every important points) and I am very happy with how DNX9 performed with these two players. However once I encountered 5.0 player (he could be 5.5), I lost to him 1-8 and could not do much. I know I should blame not only on my racket but also my skills and fitness, but I believe I could do better (maybe 4-8) if I have a larger sweetspot. It is because in the match, I mishit balls so often, specially on service return. His first services were consistent (I remember 80% was in) with flat but not too fast, consistently fed to my backhand side. All I could do was to return with slice and the balls were often weak and landed short as I hit a little off the sweetspot. I am thinking this can be improved if I switch to a racket with bigger sweetspot.

    Another reason is I noticed a majority of the top WTA players are now playing with a larger face racket, even larger than 98inches.

    Kuzetsova - 100 (No.2) , Jankovic - 105 (No.3), S. Williams - 105 (No.5),
    Sharapova - 100 (No.6), V.Willams - 105 (No.8) Hantuchova - 105 (No.9),
    Vaidisova - 100 (No.12) Golovin - 105 (No.15)

    And the following is the ATP top players using 100inch racket:
    Nadal, Roddick, Gasquet, Canas, Ljubicic, Moya, Youzhny

    I don't think sweetspot of DNX9 is small at all compared to other 98 rackets,
    but even those pros are using rackets whose sweetspot must be larger than mine, I felt I should be using a racket with larger sweetspot.

    Why don't I simply pick up 100inch face racket? Because I felt I can swing faster with 98 racket than a racket with a larger face (I don't know if it is true or not).

    Thank you for reading a long post here and I would appreciate your reply and advice in advance.
     
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    Maybe it is known problem, but it appears if I type 8 and ) in sequence it is converted to a smily icon here.
    8)
     
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    macenrios,
    i do play with dnx-9 for about 8 month, i found it is an excellent frame except for the feel and small sweetspot. i used to think that MP is the most suitable for me, till i give dnx-10mid a try...
    i found the mid has bigger sweetspot and better feel than the 9....as long as you can handle the SW of mid, it is very comfort and juicy....
    the mid plays totally different than the dnx-10 MP....
    give it a try... some people in the board don't even considered the dnx-10 mid plays like a mid, they said it plays like a mid-plus....
     
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    Just put a "space" between them.

    You lost because of the difference in playing level, not because of the racket (if your approximation about their level is accurate).
    Also...Canas uses a 95 sq inch Wilson Pro Staff Classic stretch ;) with an 18x20 string pattern.
     
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    You will experience trade-offs with any racquets you try. the gen2 has an enormous sweetspot but is low powered. the dnx9 has more power but the sweetspot is smaller. playing better players exposes your weaknesses and also makes something(s) about whatever racquet you use, harder to use.

    Example are the B11 Standard and B11Light leaded.....Light is better on 2nd serves....Std is better on first serves. 11Std is better on chip/block returns...Light allows you to hit more agressive returns where you swing out, etc and etc

    Guess since Halloween is over, I must put down the black and orange 11 Lights ;O
     
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    NoBadMojo,
    Thank you for taking your time to compare DNX9 and BB11Light and your advice. I understood it is a trade off thing. DNX9 is is a fine racket and I should be thriving on improving my weakness, instead of switching a racket every time I lost to a better player.

    Have a nice weekend.
     
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    Bagung,
    I wish I could handle the swingweight of DNX10 MID, but it is too much for me. My ideal swightweight is around 315.

    0d1n,
    Thanks for the corrections.
    I know I lost not because of the racket. I felt I needed a racket which could assist my weakness so I don't lose so badly against better players.
     
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    I think you should pick rackets that emphasize your strengths without penalizing your weaknesses too much (if possible not penalizing them at all !). A better player will always beat you anyway ... regardless of racket used (unless you're really really close to him ... in which case he's not the better player ...but rather your equal :D ).
     
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    Od1n,
    I totally agree with you.

    Thanks.
     
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    sure..you're welcome. and i agree.
     
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    I didn't like the DNX 9 at all; I much prefer the softer feel of C10 Pro and T10 Gen 1. DNX 9 played stiffer than the specs, it seemed to me.
     
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    some one help me out here. people keep saying that racquets play stiffer or softer than their specs <usually stiffer>...i dont find this to be true at all...i think racquets play as their flex indicates. the flex test is a very simple one. the racquet is made to flex and the amount it flexes is converted to a numeric value...simple and easy to compare one racquet to another, and assuming the machine is set properly and the racquet is on spec, the RA measurement is quite accurate. think the swingweight is far more likely to be off than the flex measurement

    think often people say racquets play stiffer than their flex, and that is because they arent flush hitting that particular frame, and that always makes for a firmer hit. also i think people often confuse the flex of the stringbed with the flex of the racquet. not saying this is you
     
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    I will stick with the C10 Pro or T10 Gen 1 for the softer feel.
     
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    RDC score for the DNX 9 was 65.

    RDC score for the Precision Response Titanium was 65.

    DNX 9 played stiffer than the Prince even when I hit the ball at the sweetspot. Both rackets were strung midtension. May be they are flexing at different points along the frame...I don't know.
     
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    Updating this thread since I spent more time with this racquet. Was expecting this racquet not to hit a very agressive sliced backhand because of the lightweight and expecting it to be a bit anemic at net..it performed well at both. as expected, compared to the 11standard it hits a lighter ball with more action and inherently more topspin

    Found it interesting how the b11 standard does some things better and the leaded 11Light does some things better, and how you can alter your game to take advantage of the positives and cover up the negatives of each racquet...tradeoffs....all racquets have them, but making a big change swingweightwise requires bigger changes
     
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  42. slice bh compliment

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    I demo'd the BB11 Lite, too. Loved the black and orange look, plus it's got a third less calories than the regular Becker, and it tastes great. Begged for lead, like NBM said. Better off with the regular BB11.

    By the way, Macenrios....very hip screenname.
     
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  43. bagung

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    yes, i agree with you.. playing with lighter frame and with lower SW from 12oz+ frames, it requires bigger changes..
    have tried a few lighter frames, with and without lead , with no success... the changes is too big, and i guess i am not good in lead....
    might as well, stay on 12 oz+....
     
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