Becoming a professional player?

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by krprunitennis2, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. jmsx521

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    krprunitennis2, you don't even have to be good enough to try... you don't even have to know how to play tennis and you still can try. But, yes, you have to be very, very good to win! Call a futures or satellite tournament and sign-up for the qualifying tournament by paying probably around $50-100. Qualifying is open to anyone. Though, I would suggest you to watch some qualifying matches live, right there, before signing-up to see how good even they (the no-pointers) are. And let's say you really are very, very good... then, it takes you only winning the qualifying rounds and a bunch of matches in the main draw to win 1 pt... and there you are: a pro tennis player :)
     
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  2. krprunitennis2

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    I'm still in 8th grade, though I play with the team afterschool and watch some of their matches.

    Ya, I know, a 14 year old 8th grade? When I migrated here, I didn't finish Elementary in Phil. so I didn't get accelerated 2 years.
     
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  3. krprunitennis2

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    Nice post! ^_^ So how do you qualify? What are the requirements that I must do in the 'futures' and satellite tourneys?
     
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  4. jmsx521

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    krprunitennis2, have you watched live pro tennis? It's different than watching tennis on TV. TV makes everything look flat... live tennis is the real stuff! Have you been next to a court where ATP pros are hitting... the requirement you're asking is that you have to be that good! If you are not that good and you enter to play qualifying, then not only you loose your entry-fee money, but people would be making fun of you for trying to play at a level where you don't belong. It is ironic... but tennis players happen to be very selfish athletes; the sport is not a good example of team sportsmanship, because you learn to play tennis for yourself, not for a team. Go to watch a qualifying match at a satellite or futures tournament and you'll see top-level juniors and top-level division-I college players loosing matches; trust me... that's how tough it is!
     
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  5. the1337azn

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    yeah man, the tv takes away like half the intensity! Watching the upperclassmen at my school do some serious rallying is twice as intense as watching Federer on tv.
     
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  6. krprunitennis2

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    I've been to a live tennis match, but it was Mauresmo vs Sharapova (she wasn't grunting yet), and their shots looked flat. Though on TV, Federer seems to put a llloooooottttt of spin. =P I agree on the tennis and team sportmanship thing, but I don't agree on the selfishness since some players help each other out by trying to get each other to become better. And yeah, I will consider watching D1 matches.
     
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  7. Techniques

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    Yeah. Live tennis is the best. I'm lucky enoguh to be a ball-kid at the Aussie Open. I was one for this year's open and I'm going to be for the 2007 Open. It's great watching them play... other than picknig up balls and servicing the player you get to watch the tactics the pro's use etc. Mentally its very good for your tennis game and tactially as well. Watching then day in day out makes you want to become better.
     
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  8. maverick66

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    u cant just call and enter. u need an ipin first. then some kind of a national ranking so that u can even get in to qualies. yes u can enter without a national ranking but the odds of getting into qualies at that point are very low. also u only need to win one round in main draw to get a point not a bunch. but this is not easy because you have to get through qualies which depending on the tourny can be tough and most of the time you face a guy who has been sitting around relaxing while you have been killing yourself. its a very tough sport to play pro.
     
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  9. OK.

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    Hewitt got professional coaching at the age of 5! What the hell are you talking about? :confused: ;)
     
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  10. Dashbarr

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    OK., i think Duzza cleared that up.
     
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  11. LachyD

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    :confused: that is definately not true!! hewitt won his first ATP title at 16-the next generation adelaide tournament. so what ur saying is not true or he could immitate professional sports people just by looking at them and somehow got enough points to enter that tournament very quickly and somehow managed to beat very expeirienced players like agassi aswell on his way to winning it.
     
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  12. LachyD

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    is your name by any chance maverick banes?
     
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  13. uxnaitoahz

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    He didn't start at age 16 - thats the biggest bag of bs I have ever heard. If anyone can play like Hewitt in 5 years then he must be Jesus.

    Whoever posted that comment please follow this link...
    http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/player.asp?player=10017627
     
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  14. Duzza

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    Yeah! People have been ripping into westside about 10 times over! Just read the whole thread people!
     
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  15. PurePrestige

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    Maverick66, as far as entering via IPIN. I had a question i've been trying to figure out.
    You have a small chance of getting into the qualies with the whole "no rank" thing. What do you have to do in order to get a National Ranking of some sort? Does that involve another form of tournaments?
     
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    maverick66, I was talking about entering quallies for satellites and futures, not anything above that level… are you sure you need an IPin for that? I know somebody, without any ranking, who’d entered quallies without IPin number.

    krprunitennis2, another way to get to play with very good players is to play Men’s Open division tournaments; that’s what they have here in USA. Of course you’ve got to pay for that too, but there’s no qualifying… neither any possibility to earn points. Though, the winner gets cash and possibly some wild-card to get into qualifying for bigger tournament. But again, as warning, you get lots of good players in opens… division 1 players and pros too once in a while.
     
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  17. krprunitennis2

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    Ooh! Are kids allowed? I'm 14 and I might not yet be considered as a "Man." And I want to stay as a boy all my life. =P So, are these tournaments for 18 and above?
     
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  18. PurePrestige

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    Men's Open is just that, Open. Anyone of any age can play it. Much like our friend Donald Young was #1 in 18's when he was 15 or something.
    But at any age you can play Men's Open's USTA if you have a USTA membership.
     
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  19. jmsx521

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    I think, anyone can enter satelites and futures' qualifying matches as well; I don't think there is age restriction.
     
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  20. eunjam

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    opens is open to anyone. i entered an open tourney in boys 14's.......and somehow i won 2 matches.
     
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  21. krprunitennis2

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    What's your NTRP rating?
     
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  22. tennishead93

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    13 4.0-4.5 started at 5 quit started at 8 quit started at 12 kept going

    too late to become a future pro?(shoulda kept up and 5 or 8 i kno)
     
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  23. Puredrivetennis

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    Everyone makes pretty solid points, here-- unless you've been playing since you were walking, or won a national championship or equivalent at age 14 or 15, chances of success in pros is very limited. That being said, there are exceptions. Many NCAA players go on to have decent success in the pros, although it comes at the expense of travelling non stop, with very little profit margin, as you have to pay for travel, coaching, etc.
    Don't let this fool you, though-- I've been playing opens for 4 years with great success--but, i've just started with sattelites and futures, and im getting absolutely spanked so far. You can't take it for granted-- the tv may make it look easy, but it's a whole new world once you break into the itf/ipin business. If you want to do it, though, go for it! Anyone that has the desire to, especially at a young age, can do it with a lot of hard work; sure, you might not ever be a Federer or Nalbandian, but just being in the presence of these people could be all the reward you ever dreamed of!
     
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  24. Sakumo

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    I'm 90% sure McEnroe started to get serious at 13. He started to play with Carrillo or someone? Again I'm not 100% sure, but I think I read somewhere that him and a pro woman's player used to play a lot at 12 and then McEnroe started to go to tournys and play hard so he stopped playing with her.

    But on a different subject. I started playing seriously at 12, and have just recently started to play in nationally ranked tourneys like open 5.5's and satellites. But I had a tennis court in my backyard since 6 and I my coach tells me I have amazing talent for racket head speed. I am not that strong, but I can still hit up into the 110's on my serve. Tennis is mostly about technique, and core and leg strength. Just look at fed ;). My point being, if you give it the time and effort, and I mean a lot of time and talent, you can do it.
     
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  25. Puredrivetennis

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    Agreed-- if you're incredibly gifted (dare I use the word prodigy), and start late, you do have a shot.
     
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  26. gugafan05

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    Everyone makes valid points, but the main thing people have to remember is that tennis is SO mental. You can hit a perfect down the line forehand in practice 7 out of 10 times but when you get to the match you hit it more like 1 or 2 times out of 10. (This is of course if you are inexperienced mentally) The thing is, if you want to go pro, the way you have to do it is:
    1) play tennis for many hours a day (like 4)
    2) get off this board (no offense, but you don't have time for the board with conditioning, playing, school, work/etc.)
    3) play the USTA district futures (open to anyone, no qualies, simple sectional tournies)
    4) Then play the qualies for the Supers
    5) Play the Super
    6) The Super will give you national points which will let you gain entry to some national tournaments(junior)
    7) Play all national tournaments
    8) Once you are ranked in top 100 (18s), apply for ipin, and try to get in USTA Pro Circuit Futures
    9) Play futures (try to get enough points and ranking to get into Challengers)
    10) Once you are in the challengers you are pro

    The main thing you have to remember is work, work, work. You cannot get down on yourself mentally, you have to think you are the best thing around.
    When you play the Juniors Futures and Supers, you have to dominate and mentally believe you are the s-h-i-t and cant lose to those kind of players.
    If you struggle in the Juniors Futures and Supers for more than a year and you are about 18, no offense, but you have no chance because if you cant even beat sectional players, you will get murdered by semipros/pros.
    Thats my two cents worth.
     
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  27. mellofelow

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    Interesting thread. I'll go out on a limb and say unless you're trained and groomed in a tennis academy shortly after you learn how to tie shoes, chances of reaching pro level are slim and none.

    But don't be discouraged. Being in SoCal is sorta like being in a mini-pro tour. In fact, the Ojai tournament in April remains one of the oldest tennis traditions in the US. Next month will be the 107th annual. Just having a sectional ranking here is an amazing feat... that's the goal you should aim for.
     
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  28. Sakumo

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    Actually most of the people that come out of acadmys are the top ranked pro's, the ones you hear about. There are plenty of people ranked 400 and 700 you have never heard about making 100,000 a year. John Isner trained at home all his life, and he is the #1 Div. 1 college player. Phalkun a kid from a college I live next to is ranked #5 for div. 2 colleges, he didn't have one lesson until he was 20. He watched tv and copied how they played. Like I said before, if you have the time and effort, you can do it.
     
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  29. J011yroger

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    You are insane, after expenses the #100 in the world makes about 30-40 grand a year. 400-700 even if they play singles and dubs are losing money playing tennis.

    J
     
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  30. mellofelow

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    I'm sure Sakumo meant 100,000 yen a year. Even then, that's mostly from hustling... a la Bobby Riggs.
     
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  31. Puredrivetennis

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    Not necessarily-- many players playing the atp tour consistently are backed by their country's national programme-- although it's not a huge amount of support, they may pay for travel, your coach, whatever. A consistent challenger player (say he wins 4, 5, mayyybe 6 challengers, with consistent results in the others) *can* turn a profit, if they market themselves properly. As long as they break even, many of these players don't care-- it's an amazing experience to travel around the world playing tennis every week!
     
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  32. Sakumo

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    Nope, you guys need to know what your talking about before letting it come out of your butt. The people around 200 make about 80,000 in endorsements, photo shoots, etc. You guys are only taking into account earnings from tourneys. The earnings from tourneys only are about 1/10th of their income. Wilson pays challenger people thousands of dollars a year to use their stuff, and that is challengers not ATP.
     
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    ^^ I am going to ignore you from now on, just letting you know so you don't wonder why I don't reply.

    J
     
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  34. master935

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    Ok, I didn't have enough time to read through all 5 pages of this thread so this may have been asked before and I just don't know. But, can't you just enter yourself into an atp qualifier no matter who you are, or if you are ranked or not?

    I want just a yes or no answer on this, cause that way I can come back with a cutting remark and make you all look like babbling fools, hahahahaha
     
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  35. krprunitennis2

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    ...my dreams!! CRUSHED!!! XD lol. oh well, I'll grow up soon and forget it. Anyways, I'm doing okay right now, getting more sense of difficulty on the goal of becoming a pro.
     
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  36. baydad

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    I just read Brad Gilbert's book. He made about 5millions in winning and
    3m from other means.

    It doesn't look like most players make lots of money outside of winning.
     
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  37. kingdaddy41788

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    Endorsement amounts have changed quite a bit since Mr. Gilbert's days. I read an article in Tennis magazine in the past couple of years and Andre Agassi was worth somewhere around 23 million that year in endorsements (granted he has more than anyone else ever did, what with Canon and all that stuff...) That sounds like a fat load of cash to me...
     
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  38. kingdaddy41788

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    I'm not 100% (and I've just taken away your cutting remark) but I don't think so. I think you can apply to do so, and they look at your Men's Open for USTA or maybe an ITF ranking...
     
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  39. [osu]ilovecows

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    Do you happen to live in Washington?
     
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  40. TheAeropro

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    Yeah, I just joined USTA too. I'm looking for a regional tourney. I found one at the place I play at but we are supposed to returning from vacation that day. Then there's a place in the summer that I go to and they haave one there in mid-July I think so I'll probably be there. I'm getting better every time I step on the court, it's fantastic. I'm almost a 3.5 player the way I played yesterday.
     
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  41. EasternRocks

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    Being a pro tennis player is really hard. You have to work hard and travel to many different places. You don't stay home much, and it is very hard to make a living from playing professional.(unless you are top 25 in the world) If you want to be a pro, you have to be really talented and work extremely hard. Its a dream, many tennis players have, but it's hard tp ahieve it! write back!!!
     
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  42. krprunitennis2

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    =) I'm getting better too! Yeah, I still do want to become a pro, but comparing myself to other people in the school team,...nevermind. Their shots are a lot higher.
     
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  43. TheAeropro

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    yeah, there's still hope, Hewitt picked up a racquet at 16 and look where he went!!
     
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  44. Hewitt Aussie

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    um noo... he was nearly pro when he was 16 buddy. He started playing big when he was 16.
     
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  45. Sakumo

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    I used to. Maybe I know you. Where in Washington do you live?
     
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  46. Forehand Forever

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    I heard he started playing when he was 14. You're saying he went pro went he was 16 after two years of playing tennis?
     
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  47. TheAeropro

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    Thanks for ruining my dreams;)
     
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  48. Dunlopkid

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    Yea, didn't Hewitt like win his first ATP tourney at 15?
     
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  49. krprunitennis2

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    When he was young, he played football and tennis. At 13, he put down football and sticked full time on tennis. He started young. o_O Professionals I see that didn't start as young as 3 or 5 are Federer (8), and Pierce (10 <--I think).
     
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  50. Duzza

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    He played for years and years. Probably started like 6-8. He took it more seriously than his other sport, footy at about ages 12-14. Played his first ATP tourney at about 16. Still quite an achievement. I know 16 year olds who can't hit a forehand yet :p
     

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