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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by MikeHitsHard93, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    Before talk tennis, I NEVER worried about my equipment. I blamed losses on my performance, not my equipment. I played number 1 doubles on varsity and I was the team captain...what did I use back then? A prince oversize o3. Yep. NEVER had arm issues. I used syngut and I was happy!

    So, here's my question to you all: should I sell my pure drive roddick and all the frames I don't like and go back to an oversize, maeuverable frame like I used to use back in high school?
     
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    You're asking us if you should switch racquets and go to one you previously used? Only you can answer that
     
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    Nope. Too late Mike...once Pandora's box is opened there's no going back.

    You'll just have to keep at it until you find a racquet you are comfortable sticking with.

    But, I may be wrong. You might be able to go back and forget about all the gear stuff.
     
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  4. MikeHitsHard93

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    I'm so mad that I went down the rabbit hole. I have an addiction now that I can't seem to get rid of!
     
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  5. Team10

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    Man up, hit the gym, and stop buying new racquets all of the time. Stick with what you've got and work on your technique and fitness. Chances are, that some new tennis racquets won't be a game changer. Lol an addiction. Get a hold of yourself for the love of God man.
     
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  6. Disgruntled Worker

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    Talk Tennis has its good and its bad. I mean, I learned a TREMENDOUS amount about specs and paintjobs. I found myself using adjectives like "buttery" and "muted" a lot more. And I've spent at least 2000 bucks on tennis supplies.
     
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  7. MikeHitsHard93

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    I'll say this respectively...CAN IT, SIR/MA'AM. You have not been here long enough to understand.
     
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  8. Disgruntled Worker

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    Why couldn't I be a member of Talk Soccer!

    Ball = 15 bucks, done

    Wayne Rooney jersey = 100 pounds, done!
     
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  9. MikeHitsHard93

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    Lol you gotta think about cleats and shin guards ;)
     
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    Sir. I have to be here long enough to understand what exactly...? You simply stated that you have an addiction(I assumed you meant a racquet-buying addiction as this is talk tennis, unless you're some raging alcoholic that we should be aware of ?) and I said my opinion of how you can get rid of it. What's the problem ?
     
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  11. Disgruntled Worker

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    Weak era. I don't use shin guards (or pants for that matter).
     
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    I think it is just a matter of finding the right frame. Maybe you've had a tougher time than some, but you'll get there. It seems you like stiffer frames, but they don't necessarily like you. You don't seem to like them if they are too soft, so I think the key is finding something in the middle. The TFight 315 has a soft, but solid feel...not flexy/springy like the IG Radical Pro. I believe something like that might suit you. The new Radical MP has a 64 flex. Might be worth a look.

    The stiffness number is a good starting point, but you really have to play with a racquet to know. The 315 and IG Radical Pro is a perfect example. The 315 is rated 3 points lower in stiffness, but they feel the opposite when you hit with them.

    Of course, I still think you should demo the 315, but I'm sure there are plenty of choices that would strike that middle ground for you.
     
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    I think you should start playing tennis after a few drinks or you should try playing on days while u have other stuff on your mind.

    This will cause you to stop overthinking things while you play.

    You'll stop worrying about your swing, your racquet, your arm, and everything about tennis. You'll focus on enjoying the sport and your shots will be very natural with out your frustration getting in the way.

    Also, focus on the OUTCOME of your shot, not the shot itself, if that makes sense. I don't think the racquet is getting in your way, it's more likely your mental game?
     
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  14. Graphiteking

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    @Mike, your on the right track. The 1st step is admitting you have a problem. I believe TW has a 10 step program that you can go to. After 2 months of cold turkey you receive a plaque, certificate and a $50 gift card....
     
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  15. MikeHitsHard93

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    That's the thing man. There's too many choices, and I wish I didn't know they even existed!
     
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  16. MikeHitsHard93

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    LMFAO. Where's the damn like button?
     
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  17. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hmm. You may be on to something here. I over think everything in life, and tennis is no different!

    Ps. I gotta wait til march for that drink...
     
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    You can forever search for the holy grail, but you will probably not recognise it when you do find it, looking further and backwards all the while.
     
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  19. Disgruntled Worker

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    On a serious note, though, Talk Tennis is like an addiction sometimes. I'll occasionally feel like checking through each and every section just to hear people's opinions. Not to get too deep. But I actually purchased my IG Prestige Mid on the recommendation of vsbabolat. I don't know who's in charge of sales and marketing at TW. But I'm sure their profits skyrocketed after this forum was introduced.
     
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    I bet if TW opens a racquets anonymous, half of us will be enrolled...
     
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    I love TT. I haven't had much trouble finding and sticking with a frame, but I love trying new ones out. I also enjoy trying different strings since I bought my own stringer and learned how. It is addictive. If you can't play, you can get on here and talk about it. And I love the TW reviews on racquets and strings.
     
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    Mike, you still haven't switched! Come on mate, do yourself a favour, playing tennis with a healthy arm and occasionally losing is better than not playing tennis with a %$^-ed shoulder.
     
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  23. spinovic

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    Set aside about $50 and a month and demo about 12 sticks.
     
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    Yes. if you don't like them now I doubt you ever will.

    I went through a lot of demos much like you between 2009-2010. My favorite stick ended up being the M-Fil 200 plus which I played until this year. Instead of demoing again I bought 2 bio 200 lites and went with it.

    It is a really hard habit to break (I worked at a shop and demoed everything we had) but once I stopped I was happy. It took a long time for me to quit thinking every time I played bad that it wasn't partly the racquet, and I had many honeymoon phases (with the PDR and the 6.1 95 especially.) As far as my dunlops, I think there are better racquets for serve than mine, better at volley and better at ground strokes. My racquets do everything well, and for me better than most which is what I am looking for. They are plenty heavy (12oz even with leather, og, dampener) and now I spend any extra money on a ball machine rental instead of trying new frames which has really improved my game.

    for the record, this TTW also fueled my addiction:twisted:
     
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  25. SFrazeur

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    You are asking for people to give you information and their opinions--which you have already stated has brought you unhappiness.
     
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  26. RollTrackTake

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    dude do you Porky Pig it on the court??? kudos if you do sir.

    [​IMG]
     
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  27. MikeHitsHard93

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    I'm not asking for racket recommendations here lol. It's more of a "should I continue endlessly searching" question.
     
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  28. hrstrat57

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    You probably had your holy grail in your hands you likely just had the wrong string / tension...

    I certainly wouldn't go back to a crappy oversize pusher stick.

    You get what seems to be a lot of decent suggestions here and ignore most of them.

    I might suggest continuing the quest but perhaps taking it off line?

    ( tho I do enjoy your somewhat puzzling narrative )
     
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  29. BigM

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    My advice to you is as follows.

    1. Fix shoulder.

    2. Pick frame.

    3. Pick string setup ( type of string and tension )

    4. Get some coaching

    5. Don't change any above variables for 6 - 8 months.

    6. Profit.

    This advice comes to you from a recovering "Rackoholic". My game started to improve once I stopped changing my equipment every 2 weeks. Getting to know how your equipment will react to any given situation is paramount to game improvement. Tennis is hard enough without inflicting more variables on yourself.

    Good luck.
    BigM
     
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    Don't fight it...IGNITE IT!
     
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    TT is truly a double-edged sword. I love following the ATP tour, especially through playing Sudden Death League. I love reading about what the pros are using, and I love see what other recreational players are swinging as well. I even love the Classifieds section (which is the other side of the sword for me).

    Like OP, I used Hyper ProStaff 6.1 95 frames before I discovered TT. I strung them at 65 with no-name synthetic gut and played the best tennis I've ever played. About six months ago I decided to go back to the 6.1 and string with synthetic gut and be done with buying/selling/trading once and for all. I've been going strong.

    ...and then Prince releases the Response 97 and I'm reverting to my old ways.
     
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  32. MikeHitsHard93

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    Yeah I'm just tired of trying to figure out a frame. Maybe I should revert to my old setup of my pro open with lightning @60 lbs. too many options. It's maddening.
     
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  33. Tamiya

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    too late Mike, we'll never again be as good as we remember we once were :rolleyes:

    dunno about you but I've still got my old sticks from highschool

    even after trying all the tuning wisdom off TT & interweb, can't find any
    workable solution to getting a Wilson Profile Hammer 110 comfortable
    & controllable enough to match a player club
     
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  34. MikeHitsHard93

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    Yup I still got mine, but a friend is buying it from me. I just don't ever use it and it takes up space.

    I've just gone through too many racket binges and I'm to the point where I'm sick of it!
     
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    Err, they feed the addiction as it makes them $$$$

    It'd be like a bar owner kicking out the drunks :mrgreen:
     
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    haha! and in your very question lies the paradox, grasshopper!!!!

    for the man who didn't come to talk tennis didn't know he was unhappy with his racquet until he came to talk tennis and now he is asking for advice from talk tennis!

    i'm only here moonlighting from my day job of writing fortune cookie fortunes! :twisted:

    dude, seriously, try it. if my shoulder would take it i'd go back to my trysis 250 from college. take it out, string it up with syngut and see how it hits to you now. that's the only way you're ever gonna know!
     
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  37. MikeHitsHard93

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    Hahaha alright man, I'll take your advice :)
     
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    just saying "sometimes the one you've been looking for was right in front of you the whole time!" (like an 80s romantic comedy :twisted:)

    okay man, now i'm really done! sorry but it had to come out! :twisted:
     
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    yup.. you got sucked in like so many do. so many threads on swing weight, lead weight location, type of string, racket frame width, accessories, ect. A 4.5 player will still beat a 4.0 using a Walmart racket. It about technique and strategy at the rec level above all else. Your racket and string have very little say in how good you are... unless your using a metal frying pan for a racket.. but even then, Andy Roddick beat some guy with the pan.
     
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  40. Roberto_spin

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    Just like you you I use a Pure Drive Roddick… it's an amazing stick with mucho easy power and spin! Except when you hit outside the sweetspot, a bit late (not in front), muscling to much, a wrong wrist flick: then it becomes a punisher! Actually it becomes a monster… I've been there but know where my technical flaws are and am working on it. I simply love the feeling of hitting heavy balls and on a shot ball finishing the point. So the PDR stays my favor stick when playing matches.

    I know that you don't want to hear this: but working on a consistent technique can help with less awful punishing of your elbow or shoulder… How you do this i the holy grail… some people work best with a pro, I am figuring it out myself with the help of TT or other online-coaches while understanding and listening to my body (this is very very important if you do it yourself)

    Other options are to play around with string setup… I used natural gut and ploy at low tensions… this also helps al lot!

    You can play around with softer alternatives of the PDR (e.g. the Pacific XPro, Pro Kennes Ki5, IG Radical Pro, Exo3 Tour)… but I myself find that nothing comes close to the easy power/spin of the PDR… I myself play test all these racquets and have one in my bag for times I'm tensioned to much and want a softer alternative… Better to play along than have injury… I've been there 3 yrs ago…

    Last option is to go back to where you came from (Prince OS), but that;s a throwback… you do want develop.. that's the fun of playing tennis…
    TT has helped me to understand lot of racquets, strings and the industry.
    It's just an extra dimension in enjoying tennis!
     
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  41. Toby14

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    Consider your self lucky that you are not a member of cyckling talk, my friend just got a new frame that equals my next 100 years of buying tennis racquets.

    Not to mention photography talks (luminious landscapes, getdpi, etc), I am a top pro photographer laughing about all the funny things amateurs are worried about (just go out there, spend a LOT of time and become a better photographer) - hell my latest camera gear is around $40.000 (IQ180) and you see amateurs buying even more expensive gear. I guess the same appliet to tennis ;-) as I care about a lot about thinks, that pros surely would laugh at.

    Cheers, Toby
     
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    Photography gear, lenses at least,does not depreciate as much as racquet frames though... You've got to admit that. You buy a lens you end up not using much and you can sell it at a minor loss. Even bike frames or wheels depreciate less than racquets! With racquets it's only a very small number of frames that end up holding value (hi ten?) and it's definitely not as predictable as with lenses (the usual suspects there... Leica, Zeiss). You buy a racquet you end up not liking and you just squander money... You don't like your latest string purchase and you've got to cut (another 17 dollars gone).

    I feel for mike as I suspect I am quickly becoming a racketaholic too. Plus I flew in the river an expensive drone I built for aerial photography last month and cannot even manage to sell my spare propellers now. But that's another story.
     
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  43. hrstrat57

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    G A S is a problem with most hobbies.

    Unfortunately for me I have many.

    Skiing, golf, tennis, guitar, photography.

    Lucky for me the Head 18x20 frames switch over 10 yrs ago pretty much eliminated tennis GAS. ( except for buying mass quantities of Head 18x20 frames )

    Mp radical strung 40# MSV focus hex 18 g is my grail. Took me a long time to embrace elt but it is magical. One of the d 3 teams in my daughters league is newly coached by a guy I know from previous tennis travels. Once he told me he had strung every frame on the team with light gauge full bed poly 45 # or less I was convinced.

    Many of the same players who couldn't hit a ball in last year vs our team were now hitting one angled winner after another.

    Yep I am in!

    Most racquet quest should likely be switched to string quest.

    My last .02 here.

    Good luck Mike!
     
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    Before Talk Tennis there was only darkness.
     
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  45. palmerop

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    Gear addiction syndrome, I suppose?
     
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    Acquisition tho addiction works too
     
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    For us guitar guys it is guitar acquisition syndrome

    I had as many as 30 guitars in the past all high end or vintage no junk.

    Down to 2 vintage strats 1 vintage les paul a sweet tele and one vintage Gibson acoustic.

    That GAS mania is under control - of course selling off the quiver only funded other GAS....

    Had road bike GAS for a bit too and a little bit of automobile GAS

    Overall at the moment I can say I am pretty much GAS free...tho some tennis string GAS is possible as I fine tune the grail
     
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  48. hrstrat57

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    I will own a 68 charger 383 stick at some point that quest is on the horizon!!!!
    Will go shopping in the desert!

    For now sweet little ranger pickup and mustang gt vert is all I can do!!!
     
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  49. Imago

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    Don't know abt 03 OS, but I've put 3g on 10 and 3g on 2, just between the 0 ports, and my 03 White Plus became a beast, far more powerful than PD'12 and also better for my arm. Too bad, I have bought 3 of them in the last two months. :-?
     
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    Haha that's exactly what I did too!!! Bought 3 IG mids after reading vsbabs thread lol but that's it! No more!!! I'm going to stick to these three for 5 years atleast.
    P.S. How do you find the IG mid? It's and amazing racket isn't it?
     
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