Before the PS 6.0 85

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by flamboy, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. flamboy

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    What did Federer use before it and what did sampras use before it?
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    I think Sampras used a Wilson Jack Kramer Autograph wood racquet (just like half the people that played tennis then). I believe Federer had always used the PS 6.0 85 until Wilson made a PS 6.0 90 specifically for him.
     
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  3. flamboy

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    kool thanx 4 replying.... anyone know what blue overgrip federer is using in 1999?
     
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  4. thomas martinez

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    Pete used to play Kneissl White Star Aeros, and I think possibly Pro Masters as well. Federer until Wilson came out with the Pro, was using VS Grip
     
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  5. BigboyDan

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    Sampras never used a wood racquet.
     
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  6. perfmode

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    Sampras grew up using a Jack Kramer 14oz woodie. He also said that when/if his son start'sp playing, Pete's going to start him with a woodie.

    Federer grew up with the PS85. I have a pic of him at 11 years old with a PS85.
     
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  7. BigboyDan

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    AS A PRO!!!!
     
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  8. BreakPoint

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    The original question did not ask what they used as a pro but only what they used before the PS 6.0 85. Anyway, it's not relevant to specify pro or amateur because most people don't change racquets just because they turned pro. What's more relevant is what they grew up using and how they developed their game with it.
     
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  9. BigboyDan

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    Ninety percent of pros change their racquets during their pro careers; many who used the 85 did not though... I couldn't care less what a player used when he was 12.
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    I'm not disputing that some pros change racquets DURING their careers. I'm saying that few change racquets the minute they turn pro, as if their change in status from amateur to pro will cause them to change their racquets, too. In fact, I'd bet most pros stick with the racquet they've been using for years when they first turn pro since they want to be as comfortable and confident as possible with their game and with their equipment so they can focus on making a dent on the pro tour rather than be distracted with trying to get used to a new racquet just when they're trying to start their careers.

    BTW, you SHOULD care about what a player used when he was 12 because that tells you a lot about how they developed their strokes, why they hit the ball the way they do now, and why they are able to do some of the things they do on court now. For example, by watching Federer, you know he has never used a Pure Drive in his life.

    In fact, for anyone wanting to try and hit like their favorite pro, I think it's more important to find out what they used when they were 12 than it is to know what they use now, because you're not going to be able to play like them no matter what you used now (or else you'll be on the pro tour). You'll need to develop your strokes over many years just as they did when they were young.
     
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  11. perfmode

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    Exactly. If Federer didn't have access to the PS85 and used a Bab PD instead, his game would be a lot different now. It is definitely relevant.
     
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  12. BigboyDan

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    I guess I agree, really.

    I just don't worry too much about a junior's training; either he'll be great or he's won't. BUT, it can be important to his pro carrer whether he uses the two-handed backhand or not by his 16 birthday. Sampras' switch to the one-handed backhand seems to be the exception.

    Let's hope that at least a couple of companies will still offer player's racquets that favor an all-court game - I'd hate to see the lack possibility of a Federer or Sampras in our future...
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    Agreed!!
     
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    Just a FWIW. The other day I found a Stan Smith Wilson at a garage sale in great shape for $1. I couldn't resist. I did grow up playing on wood racquets and started playing probably when I was 8 or 9. I took the Stan Smith out along with my PS 85, an nCode 95 and a Tour 95. I was amazed that I hit the ball the most consistently and easily with the Stan Smith!! It felt the most natural to me, even against the PS 85 which I had been playing with weekly for a year. I was truly surprised. I even beat my 4.5 buddy a few games using the Stan Smith (not as much power, but much better control and consistency!). So the point is, that initial experience while I was still very young obviously went into a deep level of muscle/body memory. I played with wood rackets until I was in high school ('72-'75) when I got a Wilson T2000 (like Jimmy!). It makes sense then that the racket you start with would shape all the others. I just wish I had started on a PS 85 (and that someone had sent me to tennis camp!!).

    :D
     
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  15. BreakPoint

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    I'm with Ripper and McEnroe, I wish EVERYONE would go back to using wood racquets. I know I would be able to beat a lot more people since many of my opponents have only used big-headed, widebody, power sticks their whole life and probably couldn't get the ball over the net with a wood racquet. I, on the other hand, grew up with wood racquets, and I still play a classic "wood-like" game using my PS 6.0, which I feel is the closest thing on the market to a wood racquet. Give me back my Dunlop Maxply and I'll crush all these guys that have only seen wood used for furniture. :lol:
     
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