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  1. FastFreddy

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    Benched 255 for 15, next set 260 for 15 and last set 265 for 15. I took a full 5 mins rest in between sets to fully recover. Lance is going to be the new Strength coach of the SD Chargers haha!! Get them back to roids like the 1963 team AFL Champoins 11-3 D-bol champs hehe .
     
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    Freddy, long time no see. Yes, I did get that job.
     
  3. T1000

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    I'm trying to get these by 25 so a little over 4 years left. There's no way I'm getting those without peds. They're relatively safe if you know what you're doing anyway so I'm not worried at all about the sides. Been researching them since I was 17 so I'll have plenty of info when I'm ready. I find powerlifting more fun. I like bench/squat/dead better than the olympic lifts.

    I haven't even reached muscle maturity or finished puberty yet. I'm a late bloomer, was 5'8 at 17 and 6'1 at 18 so my frame still hasn't filled out naturally yet. This is what I looked like at 190. First 2 are pumped and 3rd is at 175 and no pump
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    I def wanna do a meet one day. I'm a late bloomer though so I won't hit my peak until I'm 28-29 natty and I started lifting ~15 months ago (11/11) so I'm behind right now

    That's sick dude keep it up. Did chest today too but used DBs. Inclined 60s for 3x6 and weighted dips 3x8x90. You'll def hit 300 for reps by summer
     
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  4. Itagaki

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    Why wait? Compete ASAP. It's worth it and tends to make training much more exciting.

    Assuming you're like me where you get hooked on competitions anyway
     
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    Thats why tennis is so good for me, I need something to work towards
     
  6. FastFreddy

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    nice pics

    Thanks, r u on any gear? I only ask since your skin is really breaking out. I never understood the whole weighted dips and chins, pullup thing. Also dudes people who wear the chain on their neck and add weights and work the neck with a 45 pound plates. I watch one dude put a 100 pound db and do dips seems nuts to me and a good way to wreck your shoulder and bag and twig.
     
  7. Andyroddickfan

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    What supplements do (or did) you guys take?
     
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    Shoulder is injured.
    Used to do a lot of push-ups. Any suggestions on what to do to strengthen upper body/chest without pinging my shoulder?
     
  9. Itagaki

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    Understand in what sense? I'm sure as a CSCS you're familiar with adaptation principles and rep ranges. You can do pull ups and dips with your bodyweight for days on end, but it limits what adaptations you can induce (particularly in the "strength" range). Adding weight is another way of changing the stimulus in a manner that might be more desirable

    Regarding dips...dips in general can mess up your shoulders if they're not performed correctly. That being said, if they are being performed correctly, I don't see too much issue with adding that much weight
     
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    Well correctly is dependent upon your previous training and what you are trying to accomplish. I do dips to the lowest anatomically possible range of motion, pause, and slowly push back up. Why? I want to be able to do a "real" (no kipping at all) muscle up (like this dude....amazing!!!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzkYctW6AVk
     
  11. Itagaki

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    That is a damn impressive muscle up, particularly the transition.

    I think I did a muscle up (no kip) once in my life, it was not slow though and I had to start from a weird position (didnt have a high enough anchor to start from a real deadhang)
     
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    I can't do muscle ups. I think I have a mental hang up I always feel like I will rip something in my shoulder.
     
  13. FastFreddy

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    reps

    As u know strength rep range is 5-6. Those movements are for muscle endurance. I have plenty of bodybuilder friends and none of them do weighted dips, chins or pullups. All of them do bench but not heavy 12-15 rep range to pump the muscle with latic acid to get bigger. The people I seen doing weighted dips r these skinny dudes training for not one one sport. Another way to wreck your shoulder is behind the neck press and lat pulldown.
     
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    I thought strength range was more like 4-6, and muscle mass range was more like 7-12. And then anything over 12 was more for endurance. No?
     
  15. Itagaki

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    I'd disagree with movements like pull ups and dips being categorized as muscle endurance right off the bat, it's just how you use them and they don't have to be for one specific purpose. Changing the loading changes its purpose. But i'd agree that they are probably most effective for reps, especially pull ups as I think the back responds better to higher reps than the "strength range" (of course I have nothing to back this up)

    To be fair, the behind the neck press CAN be damaging but can also be used if it's done properly IE with a wide grip. The snatch grip strict press (and push press) are performed BTN as assistance movements for olympic lifters. If you do it narrow though? Yea that's bad news, especially if you have bad shoulder mobility
     
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    My best was when I was 32 years old competing in a drug free (tested) competition. I was in the 148lb class and put up 285. This was using strict form where you bring the weight down and rest it on your chest until the official yells press.

    At 40, I wish I could still do that, but I haven't trained heavy weight in a while. I have just been maintaining and rarely go over 225. I now weigh 141.
     
  17. T1000

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    Not yet. Natty up til now, gonna change soon. I've always had bad acne unfortunately. I'm running one this semester and starting within the next couple of weeks (2/18 at the latest). I'm a late bloomer too so the acne is hitting me at 19,20 instead of 16.

    I love weighted dips and chins. I can do 20+ without weight. I use a belt. I can't see doing chains or the head harness being any good for you.
     
  18. T1000

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    Orange Triad multi 6 daily
    Creatine Mono 3-5g daily
    BSN syntha-6 protein to help me get my macros
    Fish Oil

    You could add a preworkout for energy, a test booster (Ape or activate xtreme+Triazole) and beta alanine if you want too. These are pretty much the only useful supps. Some people like ZMA, didn't work for me though
     
  19. Andyroddickfan

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    Do you think creatine helps the most? Is it worth the hype? Never used it, but people say its the best.
     
  20. T1000

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    I'll go through each one for why I use them

    Orange Triad - micro nutrients, joint protection, digestive complex, immune protection. I have felt this helps a lot. I squat heavy 2x a week and deadlift 1x, I never go above 5 reps (except for 20 rep squats to end my leg workout) so my joints need help. Easier to digest more food (lactose intolerant and haven't had a problem while on OT) and I don't get sick when I'm on it. Overall I feel better and more energetic while taking it.

    Protein - hit my cal, protein, fat, and carb counts. I bulk on 5k cals and 800g carbs and 455g protein so this helps me get those when I mix it with whole milk

    Fish Oil - I feel more energetic and in a better mood when I take it. No idea how it's translated into my training.

    Creatine Mono - I train for strength. I find this gives me the extra water weight to push more reps, but I don't bloat a lot like other users report. And it gives me more muscle endurance. It is noticeable to me. I have tried designer creatines too and the only two I would consider are Controlled Labs Green Magnitude and Creatine Nitrate.

    http://supplementreviews.com/controlled-labs/green-magnitude
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133439933&page=1

    I've used both and am gonna switch to creatine nitrate. The pumps are amazing and addicting. I've read that they are similar to the pumps you get on cycle, which I will be able to confirm in a couple weeks. Green mag gave ma a noticeable strength increase.


    I am in agreement that creatine is one of the few supplements that works. You can buy a years supply of mono for less than $20 so it's worth it to try out (brand doesn't matter, creatine mono = creatine mono). I prefer green mag or creatine nitrate to mono now but I would try mono first if it's your first time with creatine. all star health has amazing prices for supplements if you're looking for a good site.
     
  21. FastFreddy

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    juice

    U said u were going to use peds if so which ones? I had friends get ripped on Winstrol-v, get huge on D-bol, Decca, Anadrol and Anavar. Now Test and HGH is all the gear u need unless u r Lance then add in EPO lol!! If I would ever juice I go with Winstrol V and just one 5 mg tab a day to cut up. Yesterday I benched 265 for 15 then 270 for 15 then 275 for 15. Waiting until I hit the wall I would say 285 since that's the most I done for 15. One time I knocked out 20 @ 285 on a smith machine.
     
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  22. T1000

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    IDK yet. Looking at dbol, tbol, var, test, tren, deca, and halotestin. Done a lot of research on these and deciding this week what I'm gonna use, if I start now.
     
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    T, don't use that ****. Stay natural and your organs will be with you a lot longer.
     
  24. IA-SteveB

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    I agree wholeheartedly. People who take this crap never give any thought to what may happen down the road. There are guys in the gym who talk about shooting up like it is as common as eating a donut for breakfast. It just makes me laugh. Plenty of naturals are just as good or better.
     
  25. FastFreddy

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    Tren

    I seen a dude get huge on tren from BSN called no-xpode? Iam sure he was using other gear too. He bought up alot of it when it was still being sold like 3 years ago. I think it was a pro hormone but on the label it said use onlt for 4 weeks. Sounds like a roid to me since and my friend said his stick stopped working and his two little friends got smaller not good!! If I was going to take anything I would go Winstrol-v to cut up and then go Test and that's it HGH makes dudes look too freaky. Going to try and bench 280, 285, 290 each for 15 reps.
     
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  26. FastFreddy

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    cool

    Nice, knew it would work out for u!!
     
  27. Itagaki

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    If he's really done his research (which he has said) he'll be just fine. Like any drug, the biggest danger is in abuse. If it's done properly, intelligently, and with medical supervision (at least inform your GP that you're doing it) then it can be done safely and effectively without destroying yourself anymore than long term drinking, smoking, or other drug use.

    Gym bros that talk about shooting up in the gym probably do not fall into the category of intelligent users

    T has some extravagant goals he wants to reach, which realistically WILL require the use of PEDS to accomplish unless he is in the top .1% of the genetic freak pool (like the kid I posted earlier, who might very well be on drugs and just beat the test)
     
  28. T1000

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    I want to be a pro athlete (mma/boxing) or pro powerlifting. Sacrifices have to be made to achieve your goals. I know it's a big decision but it's been my dream since I was a little kid and I'm fully dedicated to getting it and take full responsibility for anything that may go wrong. I'm not using it to get girls like 99% of the gear users, it's pretty much a necessity to get my goals

    Nattys aren't anywhere near as good as juicers. The human body is pathetic and can't do anything near what gear can do. You can take 10-15 years of natty training and put it into 3-5 years.

    No explode is a preworkout. It just has caffeine and other stims in it. Maybe he used a ph but those are stupid and there's no point in doing them. Winny messes your joints up too much, don't wanna mess with that. Yea you're right hgh makes that 3d look bbers have today. tren is supposed to be magic and I can't wait to use it one day.

    Yea I've been looking at them since I was 16 or 17 so a solid 4-5 years now. Finally someone that actually knows gear instead of repeating what the media says. I got blood tests and pharma grade stuff so I'm all set. Multiple opinions on what I'm planning with all that research so I'm good to go. I could pm you if you needed proof but I'm 100% sure I'll recover fine. I would never risk my endocrine system without fully researching the crap out of it.
     
  29. Itagaki

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    Hazard of the sport. I've become utterly disillusioned about PEDs since watching Bigger, Faster, Stronger and after hearing some inside information about olympic weightlifters of the past and present.

    It's good to hear that you're going the right route with this, blood work and getting pharmaceutical grade stuff. Probably more expensive that way but ultimately will be much better than getting it from the shady guy at the gym
     
  30. T1000

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    Reality sucks haha. Once I found out how limited the human body is at putting on muscle and how practically every pro athlete is on something I started researching them. BTW pulled 455 for 1 today mixed grip and chalk at 165lbs. Trying to hit 500 natty now.
     
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    Damn...makes me wish I could deadlift more. Based on typical squat:deadlift numbers, I should be capable of pulling mid 400s or so, I just never get to train it.
     
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    When I was working out a few months ago I repped 170lbs, 4 sets of 10. I could do 200lbs once. I weighed 175lbs. Idk what I could do now, a big chest is useless in tennis so I stopped lifting heavy.
     
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    Freddy, hit me up on the email when you get a chance.
     
  34. FastFreddy

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    Tomorrow going to try 280, 285 and 290. Tuesday I just rested my shoulder and just did 265 for 3 sets and took addvil twice.
     
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    Just got back from the gym. First set put up 280 for 15 then did 285 then 290 sweet. Could have gone for more but since I have no spot I will move to the power cage so not to find my limit and get pinned with the weight. My goal is 305. Love to put up 3 plates(315) for 15 reps.
     
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    I don't go heavy anymore, just high reps. I do 185 lbs ten times, and then burn out on 135 lbs 25 times. Repet 3 times.
     
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    Tennis players would be better off with neutral grip dumbell press. Save your shoulders man..

    If you are built right and use good technique - sure you can bench. But lots of tennis players have long arms and poor flexibility (especially thoracic) and run the risk of ruining themselves with benching..

    Its not like you can't get stronger with heavy dumbells. Dumbell at 120lbs each is no joke.. As for steriods - perfectly safe in theory as they can corrrect natural shortages.

    But. In practice you have to be a friggin chemist and have a doctor to monitor your cycles dosage and recovery drugs and stuff...and thats just to not screw yourself up in the shorterm.

    This is why plenty of bodybuilders are actually smart. You got to be to work that stuff out. It's pretty complicated to do it right..

    And they still seem to die young - as do professional wrestlers... (another steriod abusing group).. Leave the roids for people like aids patients who actually need em.
     
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    T, if only women knew what you did about how the human body is limited in the amount of muscle it can gain. When I was a trainer, I'd see many women in the office talking about how they didn't want their muscles to get too big. I would ask them if they ever had huge muscles before and their response would usually be no. I'd follow up by telling them they had nothing to worry about.
     
  39. r2473

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    Are you able to train women to crack coconuts with their thighs?
     
  40. Relinquis

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    you guys bench so much, I'm surprised you can even play tennis.

    no rotator cuff or, for the bigger guys, movement and stamina problems on court?
     
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    I haven't worked as a personal trainer in years, r2.
     
  42. FastFreddy

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    Just look at the A-train he benched 300 @170 and is still going strong on the senior tour. Benching did not affect his strokes nor mine just made them stronger when my feet were not in position. I could hit winners 6 feet behind the baseline falling backwards.
     
  43. Relinquis

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    sorry, who is "a-train"*?

    i see your point, though I would have though working out your legs and doing movement exercises would be more important. Isn't there a risk that focusing on the bench press might make a tennis player unbalanced? That his back and rotator cuff muscles aren't as strong.


    * I'm not trying to be smart, I don't know all the nicknames.
     
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    I think it's Andre...
     
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    I normally start at 95, then work my way up to 115. I'm a youngling, 6'3", 165, so not exactly ripped. :p
     
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    And FastFreddy and Rickson's profile pics are wigging me out so bad. I keep thinking these stick thin girls can bench over 300 pounds, haha.
     
  47. FastFreddy

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    Both r important when I played hockey and tennis I just lifted 5 movements clean press, deadlifts, stepups, bentover rows and bench press. To be a great at bench u need a strong upperback. Most tennis don't know very much about weight lifting. I trained a few junior tennis players and had to deal with their coaches. Both thought they knew about lifting. They thought to just throw weightlifting on top of all their training which why most weight lifting programs don't work. It just causing them to over train not increase their strength and get hurt. I was thinking to myself just stick to playing and teaching tennis. I found most people don't train their rear delts enuff. The whole muscle balance thing is over blown. I have not seen or read anything that states that muscle imblance reduces or prevents or increase muscle performance. It keeps alot of PT dudes working
     
  48. FastFreddy

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    right

    U R correct o great one !!
     
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    girls

    Maybe they r both t-girls lol!!
     
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    haha, i was thinking the same thing.
     

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