Bent Elbow During Take-back

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  1. CCH4TENNIS

    CCH4TENNIS New User

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    Hi All

    Should we take back our racquet on a FH swing with a bent elbow ?

    Thank you.
     
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  2. sunof tennis

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    yes, if I am understanding your question. See the forehands of any pro.
     
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  3. charliefedererer

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    Fed does:
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    Rafa does:
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    Djokovic does:
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    And so does Murray:
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  4. dominikk1985

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    of course, why waste time with a bigger backswing arc? A straight arm backswing would create a huge loop and take too long.

    most pros have a small loop and this is good for fluidity but you don't have endless time in modern tennis.
     
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    Hi CharlieFederer

    TQVM for your great images. I get it and this is consistent with the lead with the elbow thread in this forum.

    Cheers to all others who had responded :)
     
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  6. ihaveaquestion

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    Seems like Djok and Murray hit with slightly bent elbow. Whereas Federer and Nadal hit with straight elbow.

    Sorry, not entirely on topic. I know.
     
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  7. Limpinhitter

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    Your elbow should be in and forward at about a 90 degree angle. Your wrist should be laid back with the racquet at a 90 degree angle from the forearm and your left hand on the throat of the racquet. From that arm/racquet position and a wide open stance, rotate your upper body until your hips are facing 3 O'Clock and your chest is facing 4 O'Clock. The arm has not moved. Let go of the racquet with your left hand. Rotate your hips forward which pulls your shoulders, which pulls your arm and racquet toward the ball. As you turn, your elbow should be forward and the butt of the racquet facing the oncoming ball. Turn until you make contact with the ball about 2 feet in front of your right foot. At contact, your elbow moves out and up. Continue turning until your chest is facing 9 O'Clock.

    Reverse for lefties.

    PS: IMO, Nadal and Djokovic are probably better models for most players to emulate than Federer or Murray.
     
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  8. Cheetah

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    the wrist is not laid back on the takeback on a modern forehand unless you want to swing like sharapova. The evidence is right there in the above pictures. The wrist is neutral on takeback and gets bent back during the forward swing triggering stretch shortening which will cause suppination and pronation.

    The elbow is bent on takeback and then will straighten to some degree during the forward swing.
     
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  9. LeeD

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    Elbow bent on takeback, wrist relaxed to whereever it goes or stays, don't matter.
    That is the essense of "pat the dog", where your palm faces downwards.
    The start of the forward swing, by changing direction, forces the relaxed wrist to get into the correct position.
    Don't lay wrist back on backswing unless you are a girl.
     
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  10. jameswarren

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    If you feel that having a bent elbow on take back works for you, then do it, if it's not, don't get hung up on forcing yourself to do it.

    It's not a major part of the stroke, it won't suddenly have you hitting forehands like Roger. (Then again, it might be all that's missing.)

    As with everything in tennis, use what works for you, look at your technique if the shots not having the desired effect.
     
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    From the article on the millennium Forehand article on http://www.virtualtennisacademy.com/instructionarticles/index.php?action=detail&id=13#

    To achieve this, the player takes the racquet back with the body and positions the hand shoulder height or just higher in some instances but always in a relaxed state. One thing to note here is that the elbow should be slightly bent when taking the racquet back this high. If the racquet arm is completely straight, the racquet has been taken back too high. This will put undo stress on the shoulder and could eventually lead to injury.
     
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  12. Funbun

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    This is absolutely correct.

    It's best to have as straight of an arm as possible without hurting yourself. Players achieve this compromise by having the aforementioned "slight elbow bend". When you swing forward into the ball, you will get more leverage and power with your racquet as far from your body as possible. This is why Federer and Nadal have crazy forehands; they have a straight arm on contact of the forehand (although this isn't advisable for learning players).

    Take a look at pictures that charliefederer posted above. All their elbows are bent on the takeback, but at contact, they're as far out as can be:
    Nadal and Federer's contact point, straight arm. Djokovic, double bend but still pretty darn far out. I'd say that Murray is just in bad, defensive position to begin with in that photo series. He's just ill-prepared and falling back, so naturally his forehand isn't optimal in those photos. However, take a look at some recent Murray practice videos, and you'll see his racquet pretty far out taken back and on contact.
     
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