Berdych - "The second biggest talent on tour after Federer "...

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  1. GasquetGOAT

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    One of the commentators on Foxsports said this during the Birdy/Sod match lastnight. I guess he was referring to pure ball striking talent not the mental aspect. What do you think? Personally I'd put Nalbandian ahead of him.
     
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    Berdych is like Nalbandian with he's huge shots, but id give the edge to Berdych because of the firepower that Berdych has and Nalby simply does not.
     
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    no i would not go that far, i just would not.
     
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    God save us from the Birdy hype if he wins this masters.......classic TW ****!
     
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    Okay, he played one of the best matches I have ever seen him play yesterday but this is going too far.
     
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    I agree. I think he will win today but will just disappear under the radar during the clay season and the rest of the year.
     
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    heh joke of the year so far.

    Most talented but has never executed a dropshot winner and cant change pace with a slice

    Nalbandian? The guy's not even close.. How can you compare David's nifty net game to someone like Berd who has almost zero? And that takes talent buddy.
     
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    I wouldn't say biggest talent, but you can't doubt he has lots of it.
     
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  9. All-rounder

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    The guy who shows up once year has now become the second most talented......yea right
     
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    Delpo is WAYYYYY better at striking the ball then T- Berd!
     
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    Is he good? Yes. But the second biggest talent? No. He is farther down on my list. But still top 20 in my opinion in regards to top talent...
     
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    I would say Nalby is a much greater talent and is capable of a far greater variety of shots.
     
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    I agree. Did you see that insane passing shot off an overhead?
     
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    i concur with nalby being much much more talented than birdman.
     
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  15. DownTheLine

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    Have you guys seen the video of Nalby in Miami at court level? He pulls off some big backhands.
     
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    I have one thing to say, when Berdych hits that flat forehand it make a thnuder noise that no one was ever able to produce except safin.
     
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    I guess the Ljubicic craze has faded. He's sooooo last week.
     
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    Haha hilarious. Lets jump on the last guy to have a good tournament bandwagon. Berdych isnt even top 15 in talent amongst all of todays player.
     
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    i hope roddick beats him.
     
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    berdych, donald young, gulbis, gasquet, naldbandian, all these guys are talented but they´ll never win a slam or something like that.
    Talent is not enough.
    IMO Cilic, JMDP are the only young and talented guys on the tour (except of nadal, murray and dojoker) who will play a role at the top in the future.
     
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    Gimblestob is hardly ever aware of what he is saying. He is known for talking just for the pleasure of it.

    his pleasure!
     
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    safin will be the only talent to win 2 grand slams without a top 50 mental game, that's how good he was
     
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    Oh, Gimelstob said it? Then what's to discuss. It seems in every match the current player has the biggest forehand in the game. It's too funny.

    In recent matches Federer, Gonzalez, Blake, Nadal, Del Potro, Andy R., and now Berdych have all had the biggest forehands in the game.
     
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    So that was Gimblestob commentating for Foxsports? Same guy who likes to shout, "Murraculous", "Roddiculous"?
     
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    one of the things i hate most is absolute statements based off one time events. Commentators do it all the time.

    this is what makes the TW forum such a love/hate thing for me. The massive pile on when someone wins a big match/title or loses a big match/title.
     
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    I am guessing he was just trying to hype what has to be a disappointing final in a tournament that had most of the top ten participating. The match was too boring for me to continue watching after the first set.
     
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    Nadal is the clearly the most talented on the tour after Federer.
     
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    I thought a lot of people think Nadal is all about mental toughness and hard work?
     
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    What an absurd thing to say. Really.
     
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    That's when I checked out too. That was the most boring match I've ever seen. Roddick's game is a real snoozer.
     
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    A player can be mentally tough, work hard, and also be the most talented player on tour next to Roger.

    These aren't binaries. :)
     
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    Players on the tour other than Federer who have more talent than Berdych

    Nadal
    Nalbandian
    Del Potro
    Gonzalez
    Murray
    Djokovic
    Tsonga
    Gasquet
    Blake
    Monfils
    Baghdatis
    Cilic
    Ljubicic
    Wawrinka

    Whoever said that Berdych is the 2nd biggest talent after Federer must have been smoking some pretty heavy stuff. Bewildering really.
     
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    Smokin bewildering stuff.
     
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    Clearly you are a fangirl uncapable of objective discussion.
     
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    And what would be objective about saying Berdych is the second best talent on tour? Not only doesn't that sound objective but also completely extravagant and not backed up by results in the slightest.
     
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  36. GasquetGOAT

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    I guess Berdych is finally living up to his potential...
     
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  37. Li Ching Yuen

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    What a delusioned uninformed forum this is. Robbie Koenig said that. Gimelstob doesn't commentate for FoxSports.
     
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    The second in hands and all-court artistry is no doubt Gasquet.
    Poor conditioning and mental, though.
     
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    Next thing those delusional clowns will be calling Gulbis the second best clay courter of this generations.
     
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    What is "talent," exactly, anyway? A lot of guys have great ground strokes, but maybe they had to work really hard to get them...so they're not "naturally talented."

    And then there's kind of this mystery as to why some players are considered "talented" and others aren't. Andy Roddick is pretty talented to be able to hit serves at 145 MPH, IMO. He can hit the ball as hard as anyone (maybe not on the backhand wing, but he's improved that...with work, which I guess means he's not as talented...or does it?).

    Then there's movement...speed, quickness, court coverage...

    What makes Federer so talented is he has all of those things in high quantities. After that...you have a lot of incomplete players. Monfils can run like a deer and has the strength to hit big serves and forehands (but he pushes)...but his backhand isn't great and he doesn't have any variety/finesse abilities. On the other hand, Berdych can and will blast the ball when his feet are set but he doesn't move particularly well.

    For my money, though, the biggest underachiever on tour is Tsonga. He has seemingly effortless ability but he hasn't reached that next level.
     
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  41. PSNELKE

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    It doesn´t matter who said that.. It´s not true anyway.
     
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    Semi finals of the French, and he's been DESTROYING everyone he's played. Berdy hasn't exactly disappeared on clay. I was at the Miami match this year when Berdy beat the socks off of Soderling, granted it was on hard court. Berdy may have a tougher time on clay against Soderling, but he sure is playing well right now.
     
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    Nalbandian is the most overrated tennis player since online forums existed.
     
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    Maybe overrated but still an underachiever.
     
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    Without a doubt.
     
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  46. Li Ching Yuen

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    Who is more talented...Berdych or Soderling?
     
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    To be on the safer side I'll wait until after tomorrow's SF.. if one match can answer this question in the first place.
    At first impression, Berdych strokes and movement look more fluent to me. Watching both players hit for the first time, I think most would vote for the Birdman. But taking style over substance is too easy as far as judging talent/ablity is concerned. In the end it's all about effectiveness.
    For sure we now both have equal crappy volleys, so we can narrow the debate on serve, movement, groundies and tactics. And mental game of course, if you consider that a talent. Taken that into account, I give the edge to Sod.
     
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    So suddenly Berdych is The Next Big Thing? But - wait! - I thought that was Gulbis! :confused: Or, er, Del Potro (although Del Potro is the only one with the goods, in my opinion)...

    But to understand the sudden and amusing puffery of Berd, one only needs to look to the source: Fox Sports, Fox News, Fox ANYTHING!....well, to me that's enough said.:twisted:
     
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    No that's Soderling. He's already unbeatable on clay and he will be #1 at the end of the year :???:
     
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