Besides Marat Safin, who else can overpower Federer?

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  1. Golden Retriever

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    Soderling can't, Andy Roddick can't, the only one who has a power game and be able to pull it off against Federer seems to be Marat Safin.
     
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  2. mzzmuaa

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  3. navratilovafan

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    It took the 2nd best match of Safin's career on Safina's best surface of the 4 hard court slams to beat Federer in an incredibly close 5 setter. Even then he had to save a match point to avoid a 4 set loss. He ended the match with fewer winners, more errors, and less points won, despite the victory. Safin being able to "overpower Federer" with any regularity, even if he were in his absolute prime which he is far from, is a dubious claim at best.
     
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    Djokovic is your best choice amongst the current players. Second choice could be Del Potro based on his French Open performance. Nalbandian's doesnt beat Federer strictly by overpowering him and cant beat him on anything other than an indoor court anyway (and even then often not). Nalbandian's head to head with Federer since the 2003 Masters Cup is lopsidedly in Federer's favor.
     
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  5. Cesc Fabregas

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    Del Potro.
     
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  6. navratilovafan

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    Del Potro and Djokovic are the top two current candidates to fulfill this particular way of beating Roger IMO.
     
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  7. batz

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    Overpowering isn't the way to play Fed.

    Look to the guys with positive H2H's for the best way to play Roger.
     
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    How about Gulbis or Berdych, those guys can overpower anyone
     
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    Nobody on a regular basis. Federer just loves power. He works with power. You can defeat Federer with a more defensive game like Murray, Nadal and Simon do.
     
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    Del Potro was actually doing it untill he lost some stamina.
     
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    I know it is not the best way, probably the worst way. But still overpowering Federer is more fun to watch then watching Nadal messing with his backhand all day.
     
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    More fun to watch if you're a big Roger fan I guess, because the guy just laughs at anyone who tries to power past him. He simply cannot be hurt by that approach. It's like asking 'who can kick superman's ass without using kryptonite'?
     
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    Berdych is owned by Federer, and the only two matches he either won (04 Olympics) or nearly won (08 Australian) Federer was playing horrible for it to happen. He can overpower alot of players, but Federer definitely isnt one of them. Gulbis perhaps, not sure if they have ever played. He couldnt keep it up for long enough to win though, just like anytime he plays a top player. There is a reason that guy cant even stay in the top 50 even with his obvious talent and scary firepower.
     
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    Gulbis, Gonzo, Djoko
     
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    Gonzo!?! That is a laugher.
     
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    Ivo Karlovic is the correct answer to this question. He overpowers everyone...you just have to take your chances in the tie breaks.
     
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    loads of people can overpower federer, but you can't beat federer by overpowering.

    besides, roddick,gonzalez,gulbis are more powerful than safin
     
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    Del Potro
    Nadal
    Djokovic
    Nalbandian
    Berdych

    Hell even Acasuso and Haas were overpowering him. A lot of the players just don't have the guts to take out Federer.
     
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    The key to beat Federer is not power. Just check the record Nadal has on him!!!

    PS-> Forget about Safin...he's gone.
     
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    Cant wait for USO. It's the fastest, and his best surface.
     
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  25. Juan Martin del Potro....just wait.......
     
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    Roddick is not powerful at anything except the serve.
     
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    Nalbandian comes to mind
     
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    David Nalbandian is the best answer I think :)
     
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    Nalbandian is one of the most overrated players on this forum along with Safin. To bring some facts to light Nalbandian is 3-10 vs Federer since November 2003. The way some people talk you would think he owns Federer yet he beats him 22% of the time or something. He hasnt beaten Federer on an outdoor court since August 2003 now. He hardly ever beats Federer other than the early Federer, and never on anything apart from his beloved indoor surface, never mind overpowering him. Those very rare wins he achieves at all he probes alot of errors from Federer, he hits some winners too, but overpowering is not the definition that comes to mind.

    It is almost as funny as the talk of people saying Capriati could overpower Steffi Graf, LOL!
     
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  30. The tennis guy

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    Nalbandian overpowers Federer? Do you undertstand what OVERPOWER means?
     
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    Djokovic on a great day and a flat/poor serving day for Federer can beat him by "overpowering him" I guess (eg-2008 Australian Open semis). Del Potro showed that potential to do that in the French Open semis. I dont think there is anyone else really. Djokovic and Del Potro, period. Others who beat him do it different ways or by fluke with Federer playing poorly (eg- Berdych and Blake Olympic wins).
     
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    What do you mean Soderling can't? Of course he can. Today was all nerves for him and nothing else. He was in the best physical condition in his career
     
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    Haas never overpowers Federer. Heck their French Open match was probably their first match in over 7 years he had more than 50% the winners that Federer did (still less but every other time they play he has half or less).

    If Haas didnt play Federer the very day after Nadal went out I suspect he gets creamed as usual.
     
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    Soderling was the one getting "overpowered" today if anything (in addition to outmaneuvered, outran, outstrategized). Soderling has played Federer a bunch of times, not just today, and even today having the tournament of his life he couldnt remotedly prove the ability to "overpower" Federer so he belongs nowhere in this topic at this moment.
     
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  35. navratilovafan

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    The best answer to what? The spokesman for Dunkin Donuts.
     
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    If Del Potro plays the way he did in the French Open semis vs Federer he will overpower anyone on tour.
     
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    Best answer of the thread by far. :)
     
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    Nalbandian, Del Potro maybe
     
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    People are still saying Nalbandian. Some of you are so stupid.
     
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    Ronnie Coleman.
     
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    Tsonga on an amazing day maybe could? Obviously not proven yet but an idea. Certainly a better one than some of the failed ones in this thread.
     
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    Berdych. Too bad he isn't so good.
     
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    Nadal at the French 2008: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0? Does that count?
     
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    Safin has been over for over 4 years now. He couldnt overpower Federer if he played with a giant baseball bat today. Replace the washed up nearly retired Safin with someone like Tsonga, Gulbis, or Cilic (or more than 1) and your list is perfect. :)
     
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    But it's hard to ignore Safin because IMO Fed was playing some of his best tennis ever in 2005 AO and Safin still beat him playing power tennis(that was the best match I've seen Fed play and still lose).

    But if Safin's out then I'll go with Tsonga if everything's clicking for him that day.

    It's hard to overpower Fed anyway,he just has too much variety for big hitters to simply blow him off court.
     
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    What do u mean? Yes, Federer lost in AO to Safin once some years ago, but there were some other players to whom he lost. Nadal, e.g. , say Gasquet once defeated him, ... Or do u mean a final of slam ?
     
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    overpower-To subdue someone by superior force; To render imperceptible by means of greater strength, intensity etc
    consistently greater depth+speed(overpowering, by my definition) is what sets up the mediocre return from federer that leads to the precise winners.

    Even his well-sourced wikipedia playing style mentions his consistent depth+pace+precision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nalbandian#Playing_style


    If you think Nalbandian can't overpower Federer, then (1)define overpower, (2)disprove that nalbandian is able to overpower fed by your definition in his youtube victories.
     
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