best 102 - 104 square inch racquets?

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  1. acintya

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    Hi, I am searching for some good rated racquets that have the size of around 660 cm2 - 680 cm2. I was looking for something like head radical or babolar aeropro drive cortex but a little bigger. :) help me
     
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  2. Don S

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    Volkl V1 Classic. 102 sq. in. - Been around forever. One of the best Volkl racquets ever made.
     
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  3. acintya

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    tnx, what about the wilson k zen?
     
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    How about the ProKennex Ki15 PSE? It is an outstanding frame.
     
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    I would also take a look at the Boris Becker Delta Core Sportster. Similar to the V1 but a little heavier. As has been noted the V1 is a great frame!
     
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    Most of what's available in 102-104 is not very appealing. There are a number of 105s worth looking at.
     
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  7. pheonix6579

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    I would avoid the Zen. not very maneuverable and not at all arm friendly.

    will do nothing for your tennis zen, not good for you Ying or Yang
     
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  8. High Roller

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    Do you *really* expect any difference in ball-striking going from a 98-100 to a 102-104 square inch racquet? You either hit the sweet spot or you don't. If you want a huge sweet spot, look at the Avery M5. 12 ounces and 110 square inches. If that doesn't work, your next stop should be a Weed or Big Bubba.
     
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  9. kcmiser

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    It's probably a decent point that the extra head size isn't going to change your world or anything, but I tried out a Prince Hybrid Comp (102) purely on a lark, and the difference in forgiveness compared to my 100" frames was more significant than I would have thought. It really was a very friendly frame. It's got a super-open string pattern on it. As a result, it launches a higher than I'd prefer, and that made it difficult to hit an aggressive, flat shot. However, it's really a gas to hit with (after you lead it up). You can just fire these big loopy shots all around the court.

    Still, the accuracy is way below the two racquets he mentioned, so I wouldn't go so far as to recommend it to him. However, the ease of hitting (with very little tradeoff in mobility) has got me looking for something in this range, just with a tighter string pattern. I'm currently bidding on something like that right now, so if it works out, I'll drag this thread to the top and post the info', but it will probably be a couple of weeks.
     
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    often overlooked is the Prince TT warrior OS 107, don't know if you like extended length but it's 27.5 inches, you can also cut it down easily if you wish, very nice playing frame - read the review
     
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  11. rich s

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    with all due respect..... Yes.....

    a 102 is just about midway between a 95/98 (mp) and a 107 (os).... they are a little more foregiving than a MP and a little more controlled than an OS.

    I used to play with the Head Satellite Tour (102sq in) because it was an awesome balance between a MP and an OS.

    Like the OP if I could find a suitable 102 I would play with it... I have tried many since my Satellites but have not found anything I like so I have settled on a MG Rad OS....
     
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  12. kcmiser

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    I would be very interested to hear what you've tried and your opinions of each. Just yesterday, I got to hit a MG Rad OS and was VERY surprised how much I liked it, so I think we might have similar taste in racquets. I found it to have very good control for an OS, but I could do with a bit less pop, and I think the only reason I'm not considering switching is that when I look down at it, my pride is stung a bit that I'm playing with something with a head that big. (I guess that means that I have a bit of a "big head" also when it comes to tennis.:))

    Interesting thread by the way. Beats another thread about the AeroPro.
     
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  13. flashfire276

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    Liquidmetal Radical OS. I think it's around 103 if measured the standard way...
     
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  14. robby c

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    This thread is hitting close to home.
    In addition to 100-102, I'm looking for soft flex. Low 60's max.
    I currently play Head Satellites(3). My pro is after me to go with new tech to help my elbow trouble, even though the Satellites are very forgiving. He thinks I work too hard to generate pace.
    I ordered 4 demos the day before I saw this thread.
    Becker Pro
    Becker DC Sportster
    Wilson Kobra Tour
    Yonex RdiS 300
    I'll let you know how it goes.
    Robby C
     
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  15. new_tennis_player

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    OP: interesting question. Did you find the MP rackets to be a bit too demanding? I enjoy hitting with an OS now, and find the MP a bit too exacting, so this question is def. interesting to me.

    It sounds like you've already had a good experience with a 102; what's to prevent you from using the same Head racket you already found to your liking, though?
     
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  16. flashfire276

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    How about the Flexpoint Prestige Team? That may the a great racquet. Never tried that model though, but I'm real happy with my FXP Prestige MP.
     
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  17. Alan_Hill

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    Wilson Kblade Team 104"
     
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    yea the wilson k blade team very awesome racket
     
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  19. rich s

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    here are a few that I can remember

    Head Liquidmetal Fire
    Head FXP Prestige Team
    Head Flexpoint Heat
    Head MG Monster

    Various encarnations of the Volkl V1 - with DNX V1 and the original being the most liked of the V1s

    The Head Satellite was twin tube, heavier (12oz) and considerably more head light than each of the above which is probably why I didn't like most of the above....

    When I tried the MG Rad OS I was at a store that lets you demo in the store.... I was surprised.... I didn't expect to like it as much as I did...it's lighter and more head heavy than what I played in the past... but it works, is manuverable and feels good..... I don't care that it's and OS... the fact that I'm one of the fewer people playing with the MG Rad OS (where I play) is what makes me like it more....
     
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  20. Don't Let It Bounce

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    The notion that anyone who plays with 102-104 sq in can play with 98-100 makes sense at first glance–it's true that 4 sq in is next to nothing–but there is for any player a practical low end of head size that s/he can be effective with at his/her current skill level. (If it were otherwise, we could apply the same argument, in 2 sq in steps, to arrive at the conclusion that no one needs more than 65 sq in!)

    That said, your choices open up a lot if you can go to 100, and the 100's with rounder head shapes (Prince, Head Extreme, etc) are at least as forgiving of off-center hits as more oval racquets whose extra 4 sq in is hidden away in the throat.

    That seems odd. Not the "working too hard" part, but the elbow part: it's hard to imagine any frame being easier on the elbow than the Twin Tube Satellite. They are great racquets.*

    * Unless yours are #5 grips and in good condition, in which case please regard them as worthless, cease using them, get replacements so awesome you no longer value your old sticks, and email me right away... :)
     
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  21. MarrratSafin

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    Best I've tried is KBlade/NBlade Team. If you don't mind 1" more, try the Prince EXO3 Red too. Delightfully easy racquet to hit with.:)
     
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  22. pheonix6579

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    I too was very surprised (in a good way) with the KBlade Team when I was helping a friend with some demos.
     
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  23. acintya

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    Its nice u ppl like the thread! I also have the radical OS and it is just an awesome racquet.. but because i play two handed on both sides I could handle a heavier racquet.. and maybe a bit smaller! 670cm2 would be perfect :D

    my radical os is modified, i have added only 5 grams leadtape (2,5 on the top, 2,5 in the butt) and it feels really great, better. try this, u will be surprised..

    adding 10 grams was too much for me :D now i just want to try another racquet which would add more control and aggresive play to my game. but i really like the size.. the reach is great... maybe i will just higher the tension to 30kg - now I use 27.. and really punish the ball (im a big hitter cause my dominant hand is on top and i really have some power) and you people? :D
     
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  24. robby c

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    I questioned my pro about what specific advantage I'd gain and he would only say that there comes a time when we need help from the new tech racquets. I'm only 48. I've stayed with oversized racquets for consistent onehand backhand return of serves. I'm a little wristy, and very quick through the contact point so I need that forgiveness from my Satellites.
    I went through the widebody era in the 90's. I got tired of the mistakes from the untamed power. I rarely get outhit, just outplayed.
    My frames are 4 5/8. I had 'em customized to Wilson shape handles. I've got about $300 per frame invested, so I think I'll hold on to them.

    Demo notes: I liked the Becker Sportster the best, but too light for serious play at 4.0-4.5 level. Didn't like the balance on Becker Pro. Too even.
    Wilson Kobra Tour the least. Only good for topspin. Maybe if I was a teenage varsity singles player. I don't like AeroPro either. Just not made for S/V Doubles.
    Didn't get to hit the Yonex 300. It was broken in the shipping box. Come on TW shipping guys. Nobody inspects returned Demo's?
    I may need to start a thread for wayward Satellites. 4 5/8 please.
    Robby C


     
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  25. robby c

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    I recently found a Head Prestige Tour Midplus 102. It's a little stiffer than the Satellites, and a touch less HL.
    It surprised me that I liked the Satellites better. They were made as a cheaper alternative to the Prestiges.
    I played both back in the mid 90's along with the Radical 260.
    My brother plays the Wilson KBlade Team 104. He's been playing 2 yrs and gone from 2.0 to 3.5. He may well get bumped to 4.0 next year. Might be a frame the OP would want to demo.
    Robby C
     
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    Kblade Team is so nice..

    Also consider EXO3 Red and Pure Drive 107 if you want something EASY to volley with...

    V1 is a arm-saver, if thats what you're looking for. And of course any Radical OS should be considered too.
     
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  27. fgs

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    in my opinion the kblade team is the way to go.
    AND yes, 102-104 make quite a difference to 98-100. the reason for me is plain and simple and it might also be the case with the op as he's 48 and i'm 46. when we started out frames were much smaller. we got tuned in on a sweetspot that currently is in the upper third of the racquets. on a small frame hitting constantly the 6-7th string from the top could get you into control and power problems. a slightly larger frame gives you a softer feeling and more power on that spot.
     
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  28. JackB1

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    Thread revival!

    Wilson Blade 104 and Head Radical OS are really nice o/s racquets with players racquets feel to them.

    Also the Prince EXO3 Red 105 is a very nice and under appreciated racquet.
     
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  29. A_Instead

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    Yes... Blade 104's is a good one.
     
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  30. Steve Huff

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    Head makes a MG and YT Mojo. It's in your spec range. It has an 18 x 19 string pattern.
     
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    Volkl V10 catapult
    Kneissl All in one
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    Yonex rd 7 power
     
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  32. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    y'all know exactly what I'm gonna say...

    Volkl X-7 310..

    do not be discouraged by the stiffness rating, read the review, it is nothing like as stiff as you would imagine..

    The 295 is also nice if you want someting a bit lighter in a standard length.
     
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  33. tapatio

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    Kneissl all-in-one
    Volkl V1 Classic MP (including the Organix version)
     
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  34. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I don't get why people only ever suggest light weight OS racquets..

    The V-1 is a fine frame, within its limits, but lack of mass is an issue if you are playing at a decent level
     
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  35. Don't Let It Bounce

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    I recently got my greedy little paws on a Fischer MPro Number One 105 SL. Though its head size is listed just outside the requested range, I measured the stringbed as 334 x 251 mm, making it pretty close to 102 sq in. (My Satellite Tour measures 334 x 249.)

    It is a very pleasant hit, as you'd expect from its reputation.
     
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  36. JackB1

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    what's all it's specs?
     
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  37. spinovic

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    My guess...

    Radical OS
    Volkl V1 MP
    Blade 104

    Generally three highly regarded racquets in the range you want.
     
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  38. ChicagoJack

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    I've been fiddling with a Donnay XP Dual 102 I got on the cheap. It's the one with the orange bumpers that Courier plays with on the Power Shares Tour. Not my specs at all in stock form, waay too light, but I've got the +10 buttcap on there, some lead under the grip, and two weight slides at 3:00 and 9:00. That brings it to around 315 swingweight. Makes for a decent customization platform I think. It's a pretty sweet hit for singles. If I just want to grind it out with 20 shot rallies, rolling em in 4-6 feet over the net with heavy top, it's a fine choice.

    However, I find that I need more directional and depth control in doubles, when you often have to thread a needle... ie nail a passing shot between two net players, return solidly to the servers feet etc. That has me sticking to my smaller head 97's for doubles.

    I've also liked all the generations of the Volkl V1 Classic that I've had. Cant go wrong with that one.

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  39. lstewart

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    I was looking for the same type racket, and found the Volkl and Becker options still too stiff for my achy wrist and elbow. I'm playing Head Radical Teams, which are 102, thin beam, and fairly flexible. They are too light, but I have them weighted to 12.0 ounces. They are more arm friendly than the current options I tried, but have a little extra pop and spin they the 98's I had been playing. Only negative is that I have them all so weighted that sometimes lead tape starts flying off. They don't make these frames anymore, so you have to find them floating around.
     
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    Hey (other) Jack. I also tried the XP Dual 102 and was very disappointed. I felt very tinny and twangy and was not in the least bit solid feeling. I was expecting it to be like a lighter and more friendly P1 97 but it wasn't even in the same county. Waaaaaay too powerful, with zero control and a horrible feeling stringbed. Would love to know how Courier custoimizes his? And why isn't he using the P1????
     
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  41. ttwarrior1

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    try a 105, wilson steam
     
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    Oh hey Jack,

    Great question. Only thing I know for sure about the Courier set up is that he's got a leather grip under that overgrip, and he strings at ... drum roll please.... a whopping 73 lbs. In stock form the XP 102 is sw 309, and flex 61. Not good playing specs for me but awesome customization platform specs.

    - Other Jack
     
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    It's not the specs I had a problem with. It was mostly the power and the horrible feel the racquet had on impact. Hit a p1 and then hit the 102 and it will feel like night and day.
     
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    The 102 wasn't exactly my cup of tea, as I like a very stiff frame, but I thought it felt pretty solid and comfy. I saw a guy playing with one at a meet up and borrowed it because I was curious to try a Donnay. I couldn't miss with it in the 15-20 minutes I hit with it, and for a light stick I was able to generate good pop. It was reportedly strung with a poly in the low 40s. If I wanted a lighter weight, soft stick, I would give the 102 a look.
     
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    I think I've narrowed down to DunlopBio200Plus or HeadMicroGelOS. I have one HeadMGOS, and rotate it thru with Bio300T's, Aero500's, and Mfil200's. Liking the MGOS more, and it plays very standard, while giving a slightly bigger sweetspot. A SW of 318 seems about fine.
     
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    1. The P1 (I have a few of them) has a stock sw of 327, and is flex 64. The XP Dual Black 102 is flex 61 and a sw of 309. Uhm... yeah, that is going to play like night and day.

    2. I don't like the 102 in stock form either. But my opinion (fwiw) is that it's a great hit leaded up to around 315-320 and 8 points head light. Weight at 3-9 really helps with stability on off center shots. Anything with a super low sw just gets beaten up by the ball. I want the racquet to beat up on the ball, not vice versa! The added mass also increases dwell time and static flex, which only increases, what is in my opinion, an already pretty comfy impact feel.

    3. It's entirely possible you are hitting long with this racquet, for whatever reason. However, I can't really wrap my head around a racquet with a sw of 309 and a flex of 61 being too powerful. Tennis players are pretty observant and sensitive to things like depth and trajectory, but those two factors are often unrelated to power which is measured in ball speed mph. If a player says they feel or observe something, it's most likely for good reason. I'm sure there's some very good reason for your perception of too much power, but it doesn't jive with my perception at all.

    Jack
     
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    If you're not a very skilled player with tons of natural power, but find yourself hitting long consistently with a racquet that isn't a power machine, then it isn't the racquet,
     
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    +1. i own it (the regular/ not the team) and everytime i take it to the courts, i hit about 4 or 5 balls with it and then i switch. no control whatsoever and jars the arm!
     
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    Could have been the strings? I don't really know, but the racquet wasn't worth pursuing further for me personally. If u like it that's great. For me there are much better OS racket choices. Also, sw and flex aren't the only things that make a racquet powerful. I have Zero issues hitting long with my Blade 104 with multi mains. I only hit with the 102 for about 15 mins and didn't give it enough time to adjust to it. It also seemed to hit a higher trajectory than I was used to. I just didn't care for it much. Others may like it and his is only my personal opinion obviously...that's why everyone has to demo.
     
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    EX03 Rebel 105 with some lead.
     
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