Best 1st serve from 1975-2009

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Best 1st serve from 1975-2009

Poll closed Aug 18, 2009.
  1. Roscoe Tanner (70`s)

    1 vote(s)
    1.0%
  2. John Mcenroe (mainly the 80`s)

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    0.0%
  3. Pete Sampras (the 90`s)

    35 vote(s)
    34.3%
  4. Iva Karlovic (2000-)

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    24.5%
  5. Richard Krajicek (the 90`s)

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    0.0%
  6. Goran Ivanisevic (the 90`s)

    23 vote(s)
    22.5%
  7. Andy Roddick (2000-)

    13 vote(s)
    12.7%
  8. Roger Federer (2000-)

    5 vote(s)
    4.9%
  9. Joachim "Pim Pim" Johansson (2000-)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Slobodan Zivojinovic (the 80`s)

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    0.0%
  1. ...By this i mean WHO HAD/HAS GOT the serve that generated most winners, was the hardest to return,didnt break down at crucial points and who hit lots of aces at all times!?
    What do you guys think? Remember... i can only pick 10 choices in the poll so if i "forget" someone it might be because there was no room for him. This is the best of the best!
    Plz go with the poll. Thank you.
     
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  2. dincuss

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    Gilles Simon.
     
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  3. Try and pick one from the poll would you...?
     
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  4. tikkimonkey

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    It's between Santoro and Spadea.
     
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  5. Ok...thats good...
     
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  6. tikkimonkey

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    Sorry :p, didn't see the poll when I posted
     
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    BEST serve = Sampras
    BIGGEST serve = Roddick, Ivanisevic, Tanner, Karlovic, Rusedski, Krajicek
     
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  8. There you go, Rusedski?? No way! His serve was mainly good on fast carpet where he could slice it wide in the add-court. It often broke down though, ur other picks were great.
     
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  9. President

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    It's Karlovic for me. He really only has one facet to his game: his first serve. It's honestly the best I've ever seen. Sampras's first serve was great, but it was backed up by great volleying skill, which allowed him to win the majority of his first serve points. Karlovic, on the other hand, relies solely on his serve, having nothing else to back it up.

    The angle at which Karlovic's serve comes at the opponent is incredible. It's also extremely fast. All in all, it's probably the best serve ever in men's tennis.
     
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  10. Yeah, it could be, its a lot easier hitting your serve from the sky:)
     
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  11. NamRanger

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    I'd say Johansson had the potential to have the best serve. That guy could serve aces in his sleep.



    Best = Sampras

    Biggest = Roddick
     
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  12. dropserve

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    Karlovic.
    He is No 30 in the world relying only on his 1st serve.
     
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  13. TheFifthSet

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    I don't see how anybody can deny Karlovic the title of best 1st serve/serve overall. The guy has no ground game, wins 12% of his return games, yet manages to win 90-92% of his service games.

    Sampras had a better forehand, backhand, volleys, movement, footwork, court coverage, etc. etc. etc. . . . EVERYTHING, yet even in his prime he couldn't best that, or at least not by a significant margin. Karlovic is the slam-dunk choice here, IMO.
     
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  14. NamRanger

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    I think Karlovic has the best 1st serve, but his second serve let's him down alot IMO.
     
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  15. President

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    Agreed.

    I think many people are going to vote Sampras just based on the fact that he was a much better and more well known player than Karlovic. However if you just look at their serves, it is clear that Karlovic's is better.
     
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    The poll says best 1st serve, so you shouldn't be taking 2nd serve into account.
     
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    Karlovic easily. Holds over 90% of his service games every year despite having the worst ground game in the top 100 (maybe even top 200). He can hit the corners as well as Sampras or Federer and serve as hard as Roddick. Nobody even compares to the frequency at which he hits aces (roughly 20 a game).
     
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  18. TheFifthSet

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    Agree, but I think his 1st serve alone compensates for that . . . . I mean just imagine . . . . the guy barely has a top 1000 ground game, yet manages to win over 90% of his service games. If he had even one of Sampras's weapons, he would almost never drop serve.
     
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  19. NamRanger

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    Woops :p




    I think it's tough though. Karlovic is not a clear winner. Goran and Pim Pim had serves that are comparable to Karlovic's.




    I mean come on, Goran did essentially serve his way to victory at Wimbledon.
     
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    He already almost never drops serve :)
     
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  21. dragonfire

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    anyone with a brain would know karlovic has the best 1st serve, but only because of his height.
     
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    Disagree, Goran had just as lethal of a first serve, along with Pim Pim. In fact, both Goran and Pim Pim have more variation on their first than Karlovic. Half the time Karlovic is just bombing it in there.
     
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  23. Im a former professional player and id say i have (still) a decent 1st serve, i once tried to stand on a board that took me up to Ivo Karlovic height, amazing how easy it is to serve up there!
     
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  24. I might actually agree on this one, Federer broke Karlovic fairly easy 3 times in Wimbledon
     
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    Another stat to think about: Karlovic wins 85% of the points when his 1st serve goes in. Most of the guys in that list (including Sampras, Federer, Roddick, Krajicek, etc) struggle to break 80 over the course of a year despite having significantly better ground games to back up their serve.
     
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    Another stat to think about : Karlovic's quality of opponent up until this year are of much lower quality than most of the names listed. Which IS true. Karlovic's stats are skewed slightly because he simply does not face that many high quality opponents.
     
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    so a 7 foot player can hit a serve bigger than karlovic....ever heard of the great khali from wwe? i bet he can be top 30.
     
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  28. You also have to think about that the surfaces now is a lot slower than in the 90`s, and the racket-technology pretty much the same.
     
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  29. Well hey! Imagine Shaquille O`Neal !:shock:
     
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    karlovic's 1st serve stats are improved by his not often playing against the very best players in the world.
     
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    Goran, of course :D
     
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    In 137 return games vs. Karlovic, Federer has only broken him 13 times.
     
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  33. Andres

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    TheMagicianOfPrecision has started more threads since February than I have started in my four and a half years here :p
     
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  34. Is that right? Well its a forum, its legal to do so, ive got a lot on my mind so...??
     
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  35. 3 times last time they played.
     
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  36. dragonfire

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    oh, i meant that ATM karlovic has the best serve, not sure who has the best serve ever as no one tops every serve stat.
     
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  37. dragonfire

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    lol

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  38. akv89

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    Doesn't make much of a difference. Against the top 20 this year, Karlovic still wins 86% of the points when he gets his first serve in and holds serve 91% of the time.
     
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    Tell us this, why is it hewitt steps into pete's serve like its a ball machine, yet barely gets a racket on karlovics?
     
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  41. akv89

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    What about him?
     
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    *shrug* I still think though that Karlovic gets broken far more often when he plays the top 20. Before his serve stats years before were extremely skewed.



    I think at some point his hold serve percentage was 95% a couple of years back.
     
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  43. Agree, doesnt belong here.
     
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  44. dragonfire

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    well, if we are talking about the serve effectiveness - then karlovic tops it - simply because of his height.

    players like sampras, roddick and others (who have a modest height) developed a great serve without help from fluke genetics.

    if karlovic was smaller - then his lethal serve wouldn't exist. period. goran too. However, the other great servers listed above are tall, but not tall enough that their height gives them an advantage.

    effectiveness - karlovic & goran (due to height)

    Give there serve technique to a person who is 5"1', and they serve normal, like anyone else.

    So sampras' and other players who haven't the height have to most skilful serves, karlovic & goran have the most effective serves.
     
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  45. pmerk34

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    He had an awesome serve
     
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    I think the reason voters in this poll think Ivanisevic and Sampras have better serves than Karlovic is because they are vastly superior in other aspects. Karlovic only has his serve, nothing else, yet his statistics for holding serve are better than either of them.
     
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  47. NamRanger

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    Oh no no no. In fact, Goran is only marginally better at a few things than Karlovic. Goran essentially was a serve.
     
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  48. Andres

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    Goran's serve effectiveness had nothing to do with his height.
    Yeah, he was 6'4'', but his serve was what it was because it was unreadable. Low toss, rhytmic delivery, BOOM, ace. His toss was a blur, his motion was too damn fast.
     
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    oh shame, i thought he was taller, my apologies
     
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  50. Yes, impossible to read due to the speed of the motion. And with good variety, compared to Karlovic, and being a leftie didnt make things easier for the returners either
     
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