Best and 2nd best players of every decade- men and women

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  1. kiki

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    I´ll play a little game with you.Change 1989 and 1990 RG and give Gomez the 1989 title and Chang the 1990.It would be more representative.

    Gomez joins Cash,Noah and Kriek in my fourth tier of the decade.

    Mecir, as good as he was, would come as nº 11.

    In anycase, a helluva competition.No wonder it is still recognised as the Golden Era of tennis...
     
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    Unless you think Chang's major puts him over Mecir, then Mecir is better in the 1980s. Mecir's wins over Lendl in the 1987 Miami final, McEnroe in the 1987 WCT Dallas final, and his long list of crushing wins over Wilander, show how dangerous he was to any player on his day.
     
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  3. 1970CRBase

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    Becker won 3W's which I think might equal (or better) Wilander's triple slam 88. But Becker also won Masters. Also, Becker's peak best should be better than Wilander's showed by the fact that Becker dominates their h2h 6-2 in 80's 7-3 overall, HOWEVER, according to ATP, Wilander dominates their slam encounters, 3-0. Close one.

    sorry 3Wims not 2.
     
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    With Becker, Wilander and Edberg, you can make a good case for any one of them being better than the other two.
     
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    It was so really damn close between the top players of the 80´s: Borg vs Lendl,Mac or Connors.Mac and Lendl vs everybody.Edberg vs Becker and Wilnader, Wilander vs Becker or Edberg, Becker vs Lendl...any match between those 7 legends and all time greats ( and some of them never played against each other) were just pure gold, considering also the mixture of styles and characters.

    hey, even Connors vs Becker or vs Edberg were terrific matches.
     
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  6. 1970CRBase

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    If Mecir didn't win Miami, Dallas and Olympics; Chang's 1989 RG would put him over Mecir, a slam is a slam. But then Mecir's 80's record would likely put him over Noah also, if not Cash. (80's decade top 10)
     
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    1980´s top 25

    1/Lendl
    2/Mc Enroe
    3/Becker
    4/Wilander
    5/Borg
    6/Connors
    7/Edberg
    8/Cash

    9/Kriek
    10/Gomez
    11/Noah
    12/Mecir
    13/Jarryd
    14/Teacher
    15/Curren
    16/Leconte

    17/Mayotte
    18/Arias
    19/Gilbert
    20/Nystrom
    21/Clerc
    22/Higueras
    23/Pernfors
    24/Krickstein
    25/Mayer

    S&V:Mac,Becker,Edberg,Cash
    All round: Connors,Kriek
    Baseline:Borg,Lendl,Wilander

    a helluva decade,as I said.
     
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  8. 1970CRBase

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    After the last day of 1984, from the first day of 1985 to the last day of 1989, these three all have a case to be second best behind Lendl, but overall 80's Wilander is better than both.
     
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    Yes it was a fun decade.:)

    Number 12 there should have accomplished far more. Mecir was one of my all time favorites. :(
     
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    I think Edberg was a split player 1980-1990, which was not the case with Wilander ( a pure 1980´s product) and not so much Becker ( who won bigger in the 80´s, although laso got some major wins in the 1990´s).In the whole decade, Edberg fels short of Becker and Wilander.If we consider HTIER WHOLE CAREER, then, Edberg could be on equal terms.
     
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  11. NadalAgassi

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    Do you mean overall careers.

    As for the overall 80s it is clearly Wilander > Becker > Edberg without a doubt.

    For the second half of the 80s it is probably the same order, although Wilander and Becker are closer.

    For overall careers yeah all 3 are very close.
     
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    Yeah, I meant whole careers. In the 1980s, I agree it's Wilander, then Becker then Edberg.
     
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  13. timnz

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    Agassi's record lacking some highlights

    You rightly put in a lot of Couriers runner-up (because being a runner up at an important tournament is still an achievement) but you left off significant entries against Agassi in that nature

    To Agassi's list you could add

    French Open Runner-up 1990 and 1991
    US Open Runner-up 1990 and 1995
     
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    Yes. Sorry about that. I think it's clear that Courier's record is better than Agassi's at the end of 1998.
     
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  15. 1970CRBase

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    In my system, true best 10 of a decade decides who is true 1 and 2 of the same, in a case like 80's men where it is particularly close overall (Mac with his 1984, Lendl having more consistency at the top). This being based on true 10 of each year, NOT necessarily year ending top 10, just like true #1 is not always year ending 1. So best of a year has 10 "decade" points to count towards best of a decade, next best has 9 points and so on. IN TURN, best of a decade also has 10 "history" points to count towards being best in history, next best have 9 etc, because players carry over to the next decade (please no goats) Of course, Agassi is not top 10 80's even if he is 2 or 3 for 90's so in the 80's he gets no history points but in the 90's he gets either 9 or 8 points.

    If Serena, for example, ends up best in 2000's and 2010s, she gets 10 + 10.
     
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  16. 1970CRBase

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    btw, in my view going by this system, tier one players are best of their decade, slams, w/L etc count towards that but are not what separate tiers in themselves. So, for example, Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf and Serena are all tier 1, Bueno, King, Seles, Henin and Venus are all tier 2. But I do not place BJK and Serena in the same bracket solely based on counting their number of slams.

    I know many wouldn't agree, but just to raise a point.
     
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    agassi sucked big time from 96-98, even falling to #137 or so in that period .. .... he was far better from 2001-2005 than he was in 96-98

    his best times were second half of 94-95 end and mid 99 to start of 2000 ...

    after that phases in the end of 80s, early 90s and 2001-2005 ....

    96 to 98 was his worst phase ...

    oh and agassi didn't even play in 2002 AO... he won 2001 AO and 2003 AO
     
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    1996 was more of a mixed year for Agassi. He had clearly gone backwards considerably compared to 1995, but he still won Miami, Cincinnati and Olympic gold in Atlanta, but did very poorly at the French Open and Wimbledon, and had two straight sets losses to Chang in the semi finals of the hardcourt majors. His ranking was more in the lower half of the top 10.

    After that loss to Chang at the 1996 US Open, he went really downhill, as low as 141 in the world by the 10th November 1997. But then he started putting his past disappointments into their correct perspective and started getting serious about tennis again, and shot back up the rankings in 1998.
     
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    This is an interesting comparison:

    Djokovic:
    4 major titles (2 Australian Opens, 1 Wimbledon, 1 U.S. Open); 1 runner-up
    6 Masters titles (4 hard court, 2 clay); 2 runners-up
    14 titles overall; 4 runners-up
    47 weeks at number one

    Nadal:
    4 major titles (2 French Opens, 1 Wimbledon, 1 U.S. Open); 3 runners-up
    5 Masters titles (5 clay); 4 runners-up
    12 titles overall; 10 runners-up
    56 weeks at number one

    Additionally, they both have one Davis Cup title and Nadal has a final at the WTF, whereas Djokovic has yet to go beyond the semis in this decade.

    They're pretty damn close, but I think Nadal edges Djokovic, at least at the moment. It will be interesting to see the pair's stats at the end of the year.

    And for comparison, here's Federer:
    1 major title (1 Australian Open); 1 runner-up
    4 Masters titles (3 hard court, 1 clay); 3 runners-up
    2 WTF titles
    13 titles; 6 runners-up
    22 weeks at number one
     
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  20. rufus_smith

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    Thanks. Maybe it is more plausible this way.
     
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  21. kiki

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    That is a pretty good list.I don´t know where did NadalAgassi made his tipical copy and paste from, but it still remains very good.
     
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    1920-1924: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1925-1929: Rene Lacoste, Henri Cochet
    1930-1934: Ellsworth Vines, Jack Crawford
    1935-1939: Don Budge, Ellsworth Vines
    1940-1944: Don Budge, Bobby Riggs
    1945-1949: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1950-1954: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1955-1959: Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad
    1960-1964: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1965-1969: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1970-1974: John Newcombe, Jimmy Connors
    1975-1979: Bjorn Borg, Jimmy Connors
    1980-1984: John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors
    1985-1989: Ivan Lendl, Boris Becker
    1990-1994: Pete Sampras, Jim Courier
    1995-1999: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    2000-2004: Roger Federer, Lleyton Hewitt
    2005-2009: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2010-2012 (so far): Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic

    Not the easiest list to do. I was thinking about Sedgman in the both 1950s periods, Gonzales in 1950-1954 and 1960-1964, and Rosewall in 1970-1974. Budge and Vines in 1935-1939 wasn't easy either.
     
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    Talent wise, he´d be my nº 8, advancing Pat Cash.I´d have loved seeing the Big Cat against the Ice Man.The only 80´s great he never faced.
     
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    Edberg fares better in the 90´s, his record is split between 80´s and 90´s.But, if we just consider 80´s he is weaker than Wilander and Becker.Now, I think Boris edges Mats as far as 1980´s play is concerned.The difference: indoors (Dallas and New York Masters)...and I am not entering DC play...
     
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  25. 1970CRBase

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    Even if you go by half a decade, and call it a tie with one with each half, like in the 60's men, Laver is clearly ahead of Rosewall in the 60's with his 2 cygs.

    I think going by half decades still produces best overall in a decade but that half a decade is best for comparing who is second best over all in the same decade. eg : 90's Agassi vs Courier.
     
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    First time I agree with you.
     
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    by half decades, in some cases we have a tie for 2nd, like with 2000's women. In some, one is better in one half, the other in the other half, like with 90's men, but overall, when you consider all the points, Agassi has a slightly stronger case to just edge Courier.
     
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    There were a lot of people in those days who ranked Mecir number one in terms of pure talent. Who knows for sure? All I know was that I loved to watch him play. He could perform miracle shotmaking and his mobility was superhuman.
     
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  29. Xavier G

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    Half decades.
    Men
    70-74 1 Newcombe 2 Rosewall
    75-79 1 Borg 2 Connors
    80-84 1 McEnroe 2 Connors
    85-89 1 Lendl 2 Becker
    90-94 1 Sampras 2 Courier
    95-99 1 Sampras 2 Agassi
    2000-04 1 Federer 2 Hewitt
    2005-09 1 Federer 2 Nadal

    These are first impressions off the top of my head. I admire Rosewall for his longevity and career more than Nastase's (close though) and he reached both Wimbledon and US finals in his 40th year.
    Connors for me is no.2 behind McEnroe for 80-84. Borg only figured for 80/81 at top level and Lendl didn't win a GS til 84, very much second best to Jimmy in that time period.
    Becker is no.2 for 85-89 behind Lendl, ahead of Wilander.
    I lost interest in the 90's!!, but Federer is the man since 2000
     
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  30. Mustard

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    I'll do it per year as well:

    My top 2 tennis players per year
    1919: Bill Johnston, Bill Tilden
    1920: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1921: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1922: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1923: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1924: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1925: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1926: Rene Lacoste, Jean Borotra
    1927: Rene Lacoste, Bill Tilden
    1928: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1929: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1930: Henri Cochet, Bill Tilden
    1931: Bill Tilden, Ellsworth Vines
    1932: Ellsworth Vines, Bill Tilden
    1933: Jack Crawford, Fred Perry
    1934: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1935: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1936: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1937: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1938: Ellsworth Vines, Don Budge
    1939: Don Budge, Ellsworth Vines
    1940: Don Budge, Fred Perry
    1941: Fred Perry, Bobby Riggs
    1942: Don Budge, Bobby Riggs
    1943: ??????
    1944: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1945: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1946: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1947: Bobby Riggs, Jack Kramer
    1948: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1949: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1950: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1951: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1952: Pancho Segura, Pancho Gonzales
    1953: Jack Kramer, Frank Sedgman
    1954: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1955: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1956: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1957: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1958: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1959: Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad
    1960: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1961: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1962: Ken Rosewall, Lew Hoad
    1963: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1964: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1965: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1966: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1967: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1968: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1969: Rod Laver, Tony Roche
    1970: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1971: John Newcombe, Stan Smith
    1972: Stan Smith, Ilie Nastase
    1973: Ilie Nastase, John Newcombe
    1974: Jimmy Connors, John Newcombe
    1975: Arthur Ashe, Jimmy Connors
    1976: Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg
    1977: Guillermo Vilas, Bjorn Borg
    1978: Bjorn Borg, Jimmy Connors
    1979: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1980: Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe
    1981: John McEnroe, Bjorn Borg
    1982: Jimmy Connors, Ivan Lendl
    1983: John McEnroe, Mats Wilander
    1984: John McEnroe, Jimmy Connors
    1985: Ivan Lendl, John McEnroe
    1986: Ivan Lendl, Boris Becker
    1987: Ivan Lendl, Stefan Edberg
    1988: Mats Wilander, Ivan Lendl
    1989: Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl
    1990: Stefan Edberg, Andre Agassi
    1991: Stefan Edberg, Jim Courier
    1992: Jim Courier, Stefan Edberg
    1993: Pete Sampras, Jim Courier
    1994: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1995: Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi
    1996: Pete Sampras, Boris Becker
    1997: Pete Sampras, Patrick Rafter
    1998: Pete Sampras, Marcelo Rios
    1999: Andre Agassi, Pete Sampras
    2000: Gustavo Kuerten, Marat Safin
    2001: Lleyton Hewitt, Gustavo Kuerten
    2002: Lleyton Hewitt, Andre Agassi
    2003: Andy Roddick, Roger Federer
    2004: Roger Federer, Lleyton Hewitt
    2005: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2006: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2007: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2008: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2009: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal
    2010: Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer
    2011: Novak Djokovic, Rafael Nadal

    My top 2 amateur tennis players per year
    1919: Bill Johnston, Bill Tilden
    1920: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1921: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1922: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1923: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1924: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1925: Bill Tilden, Bill Johnston
    1926: Rene Lacoste, Jean Borotra
    1927: Rene Lacoste, Bill Tilden
    1928: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1929: Henri Cochet, Rene Lacoste
    1930: Henri Cochet, Bill Tilden
    1931: Ellsworth Vines, Henri Cochet
    1932: Ellsworth Vines, Henri Cochet
    1933: Jack Crawford, Fred Perry
    1934: Fred Perry, Jack Crawford
    1935: Fred Perry, Jack Crawford
    1936: Fred Perry, Gottfried von Cramm
    1937: Don Budge, Gottfried von Cramm
    1938: Don Budge, Bunny Austin
    1939: Bobby Riggs, John Bromwich
    1940: Don McNeill, Bobby Riggs
    1941: Bobby Riggs, Frank Kovacs
    1942: Ted Schroeder, Frank Parker
    1943: Joseph Hunt, Jack Kramer
    1944: Frank Parker, Bill Talbert
    1945: Frank Parker, Bill Talbert
    1946: Jack Kramer, John Bromwich
    1947: Jack Kramer, Dinny Pails
    1948: John Bromwich, Pancho Gonzales
    1949: Pancho Gonzales, Ted Schroeder
    1950: Budge Patty, Frank Sedgman
    1951: Frank Sedgman, Dick Savitt
    1952: Frank Sedgman, Jaroslav Drobny
    1953: Tony Trabert, Ken Rosewall
    1954: Jaroslav Drobny, Tony Trabert
    1955: Tony Trabert, Ken Rosewall
    1956: Lew Hoad, Ken Rosewall
    1957: Lew Hoad, Ashley Cooper
    1958: Ashley Cooper, Mal Anderson
    1959: Alex Olmedo, Neale Fraser
    1960: Neale Fraser, Rod Laver
    1961: Roy Emerson, Rod Laver
    1962: Rod Laver, Roy Emerson
    1963: Roy Emerson, Chuck McKinley
    1964: Roy Emerson, Fred Stolle
    1965: Roy Emerson, Fred Stolle
    1966: Fred Stolle, Manuel Santana
    1967: John Newcombe, Roy Emerson

    My top 2 professional tennis players per year
    1927: Vinny Richards, Howard Kinsey
    1928: Vinny Richards, Karel Kozeluh
    1929: Karel Kozeluh, Vinny Richards
    1930: Karel Kozeluh, Vinny Richards
    1931: Bill Tilden, Vinny Richards
    1932: Bill Tilden, Karel Kozeluh
    1933: Bill Tilden, Hans Nusslein
    1934: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1935: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1936: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1937: Ellsworth Vines, Fred Perry
    1938: Ellsworth Vines, Hans Nusslein
    1939: Don Budge, Ellsworth Vines
    1940: Don Budge, Fred Perry
    1941: Fred Perry, Dick Skeen
    1942: Don Budge, Bobby Riggs
    1943: ??????
    1944: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1945: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1946: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1947: Bobby Riggs, Don Budge
    1948: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1949: Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs
    1950: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1951: Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura
    1952: Pancho Segura, Pancho Gonzales
    1953: Jack Kramer, Frank Sedgman
    1954: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1955: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1956: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1957: Pancho Gonzales, Pancho Segura
    1958: Pancho Gonzales, Frank Sedgman
    1959: Pancho Gonzales, Lew Hoad
    1960: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1961: Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall
    1962: Ken Rosewall, Lew Hoad
    1963: Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver
    1964: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1965: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1966: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
    1967: Rod Laver, Ken Rosewall
     
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    I´d still give Mac the edge for shotmaking ability.Mecir is a second, and fanatstic second ( it just speaks volumes of JMac touch and creativity)
     
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    I fully agree with that list.But from 1970-73 ( 74 was all Connors), there were many players close for the nº 1 race:
    Newcombe,Laver,Rosewall,Ashe,Nasty,Kodes and Stan Smith were all nº 1 or close to that.Okker,Roche,Gimeno,Riessen,Drisdale,Taylor,Lutz,Richey,Gorman,Pilic,Franulovic,Metrevali and many others that I am forgetting ( youngs Connors,Borg,Tanner and more stablished pros like Orantes and Panatta)...the level is just completely amazing.

    It was the dawn of the Golden Era and, in terms of shotmaking and diversity, it ranks in my book as one of the ebst, if not the best, slot of time.
     
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    Looking at the names you listed, that era was amazing. I just gave Rosewall the number two position behind Newcombe, but ahead of players like Smith and Nastase. Nasty dominated the Masters in that time period. I didn't give Jimmy no.2 as 74 was just his breakthrough year, though becoming a threat in 73, and Jimmy is my favourite player ever.
     
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    I agree with your consideration of Newcombe and Rosewall, a bit above the other 5 contenders (Laver,Ashe,Nastase,Smith and Kodes).Newcombe was the best over that slot and Rosewall the second best.
     
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    This is one of the most hotly debated trios on this forum. :)

    I agree that Wilander was the best of the 80's, but I give the nod to Edberg for career by a slight margin. Although arguments for each of the three for their careers are easily justified.
     
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    See, once again, in the Wilander - Edberg - Becker debate, we have:

    Wilander - #1 once, #2 once
    Edberg - #1 twice, #2 twice
    Becker - #1 once, #2 twice

    So it's clear, Edberg is the career winner. :)
     
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    Best . . . decade . . . ever!

    And one could add Forget, Svensson, Carlsson, Sanchez, Muster, Teltscher, Gerulaitis, Sundstrom. What amazing depth in a decade that this batch doesn't even make kiki's top 25 list.
     
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    Geez¡¡ Vitas, I left him out, but had 3 great years (80-82)...I´ll take out Higueras or Krickstein and put him in.He is like Borg or Connors, a guy maybe more of the 70´s but if I included Bjorn and Jimbo, Vitas comes third.Vilas and Tanner weren´t that good in the 80´s, even if Vilas won Rome and reached a final at Paris.They are in the top 15 of the 70´s, though.

    I don´t know it was the best decade although it is the decade tennis peaked after a big upheaval from late 50´s to late 70´s.I just know I had a helluva time and the charachters were terrific.70´s were also great, some 90´s too...and I couldn´t reach the 50´s which may be the most amazing era.
     
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  39. 1970CRBase

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    whether going by half decade or 1 year, the result is we still total up who was best over one decade.
     
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    Becker: 6 GS titles, 1 WCT, 3 Masters
    Wilander: 7 GS titles, no WCT/Masters
    Edberg: 6 GS titles, 1 Masters

    Becker wins it ( plus a great H2H against both swedes)
     
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    Becker, Wilander and Edberg are all so close, that was a great era. I think of them all as at the same level essentially, but if I had to rank them, I would put Becker, Wilander and then Edberg in that order. Becker seemed more dominant at his best, won most Wimbledon titles, Wilander didn't win either the Masters or WCT title, Becker had the h2h leads and had the better of the Davis Cup meetings too.
     
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    Wilander just ahead of Edberg for me. Wilander had the great 88 season in the big 4, Edberg had six years where he picked up a Major, plus the Masters in 89.
     
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    The correct order is:
    Becker>Wilander>Edberg
     
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    Respectfully disagree, and acknowledge it's an oft-debated topic.

    For me it's Edberg > Wilander > Becker.

    :)
     
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    I know you are keen on sweden tennis.I also liked very much seeing Wilander ( whom I also met personally) and specially Edberg ( one of the best ever S&V´rs and an inmense joy to watch when he was keyed up).But Becker, not only won more majors ( in that time, a WCT/Masters was considered a major) but he also had a great H2H against Mats and Stefen ( including Davis Cup play).That is why I give Boris the edge.He also had the greatest potential of the three.Better at the backcourt than Edberg and better at the net than Wilander.But, again, it is a very very clsoe call.
     
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    For me, it's Wilander > Becker > Edberg.
     
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    I was thinking hoe great after the Borg-Connors-Mac trio we just had soon the Wilander-Becker-Edberg one.With Lendl in the middle, somewhat the link between the early 80´s trio and the late 80´s./ guys of this level and personality in 5-6 years.it was really the greatest era ever.
     
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  48. 1970CRBase

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    A triple slam year is maybe ahead of career h2h when arranging descending order of tie break.
     
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    Becker > edberg and not sure where wilander fits in

    I cannot imagine a case where edberg is greater than becker. Becker dominated the head to head and though they matched total slam titles, becker finished with 5 indoor majors to edbergs 1. (becker had 3 masters cup plus 1 wct finals and 1 grand slam cup and edberg had just the 1 masters cup). Wilander was the best clay playrr of the three but that is about it.
     
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  50. NadalAgassi

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    I would rate Becker over Edberg, but I can definitely see a case for Edberg to be ahead. Edberg has a more balanced record in many ways with multiple wins at 3 different slam venues. He defended his U.S Open title, which Becker won only once. Edberg has an excellent record at the Australian Open and also better overall than Becker with titles in 85 and 87, finals in 90, 92, and 93. He made a French Open final and has won clay tournaments, neither which Becker did, and beat Becker their only meeting there in the semis to do it. Even at Wimbledon where Becker is superior, Edberg leads him 2-1 in finals and overall. Then one big stat Edberg has over Becker is he was twice the year end #1, Becker never managed the year end #1.

    Also Becker has 3 WTF to 1 for Edberg, not some artificial 5 indoor majors (in reality there are 0 indoor majors) to 1. LOL at using the freaking Grand Slam Cup as a measure of greatness. What will be next, World Team tennis.


    As for Wilander, he has more slam titles than Becker or Edberg, has a 3 slam years which Becker or Edberg never managed, and won slams on all surfaces. He is atleast on par with both of them overall, even if surface by surface he is only better on clay.
    Just like if Nadal reaches 16 or more majors he will still probably be only better than Federer on clay, yet many will still consider him the better player.
     

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