Best and 2nd best players of every decade- men and women

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  1. abmk

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    Just two things to add there. Becker won 2 AOs on rebound ace. Edberg zero ...., though edberg made 3 AO finals to becker's 2.

    I wouldn't say wilander was that inferior to either Becker/Edberg on slow HC either ...even on fast HC, both wilander and becker won one USO each ...
     
  2. NadalAgassi

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    That also means Edberg won more grass slams than Becker though which is interesting to note, especialy in light of Edberg's winning record in Wimbledon finals as well. One would think of Becker as the better grass courter, and he still probably is, so one wouldnt expect Edberg to be so close in grass achievements.

    Edberg at the 1990 Australian Open was playing unstoppable tennis and only lost due to an injury in the final. 1992 and 1993 he lost to Courier who became an awful matchup for him at that point, and was the best player in the World in 92 and early 93. Becker had many early losses in Australian, unlike Edberg who made the semis or finals almost every year. The 2 years he won he played great tennis, but also had great draws and avoided nearly all his toughest competition, facing his pigeons Lendl and Chang. I definitely think Edberg is the better hard court player overall. He won event like Indian Wells and Cincinnati which Becker didnt, he had streaks where he won many tournaments and matches in a row on hard courts like 1990 going into the U.S Open, and he has more hard court titles overall, and more consistently good performances at the hard court slams by far.

    Becker I would say is better on grass, carpet, or indoors, although not by nearly as much on grass as some would think, and Edberg was better on hard courts (pretty much all types) and clay.
     
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    I agree ..... edberg was unlucky in 90 ... and more consistent at the AO than becker ..

    Just found it a bit ironical that becker being the better grass court player has 3 grass slams to edberg's 4 and edberg being the better HCer overall has 2 HC slams to becker's 3 ..
     
  4. NadalAgassi

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    Yeah it is funny. I guess it shows stats can be deceiving at times, as much as well all use stats to prove our point.
     
  5. Mustard

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    Edberg better than Becker on clay? Are you sure? They only met twice on the surface, and one was Becker beating Edberg in 3 straight sets in the 1988 Davis Cup final, which was also on indoor clay, so maybe that helped Becker. And although Edberg beat Becker to reach the 1989 French Open final, Becker had the most consistent French Open record with 3 semi finals, and all those multiple masters clay-court finals (3 Monte Carlos, 1 Hamburg, 1 Rome).
     
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    but edberg actually won clay court titles, 3 of them to becker's zero, including a master series in Hamburg ..his win % on clay is slightly higher than becker's as well .
     
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    Edberg was more consistent, but I always felt Becker could bring his best tennis for the big occasion, even though the reverse seemed to be the case in their head-to-head rivalry.

    As I said before, though, with Becker, Edberg and Wilander, you can make a very good case for each of them being better than the other two.
     
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    Those 3 can amke their own case.Edberg, fi, beat Wilander in a one sided AO final, in 1985...but Wilander won their USO and AO semifinals in 1988.Both were unable to beat the Becker led German team in the 1989 DC final.

    Wilander was the best on clay, Becker on indoors and Edberg on grass...on hard courts, Wilander won two majors, Edberg won two majors and Boris won three majors, but Wilander and Edberg fared much better at venues ( they won it) like Cincinnati or Key Biscaine.it is really entertaining.

    Another great trio was Borg/Mc Enroe/Connors.Borg won more majors but never the USO, while the americans never won RG.Mac has a great h2h record against Borg in major finals, Borg dominated Connors in the long term at the majors...while Connors and Mac both defeated each other at a Wimbledon and WCT final.However, the age difference was more signifiant in this case than in the WilBeckberg trio, which adds spice to the discussion.
     
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    Even if tennis history seems to have began in 120 century, there was also a starting generation of players in the 19 th century, just from Wimbledon´s first ever tournament dated 1886 till 1900.It was led by Lottie Dod in the females ranks and the renshaw brothers (Ernie and Willie) as well as the Doherty´s (Kaurie and Reggie) in the male´s ranks.1886-1900 is therefore the first tennis ever generation.
     
  10. SusanDK

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    You are right that I have a bias towards Swedish tennis, but can assure you that my ranking of this trio is not based on that. Becker is actually also among my favorite players - very entertaining, exciting, and brought a lot to the decade from mid-80's to mid-90's.

    I rank Edberg highest of the three because of his consistency throughout his career, from winning the junior GS in '83 until he retired in '96. I don't have the statistic handy just now, but believe he was in the top 10 for something like 12 years, and in the top 5 for a good portion of his career.

    He came closer to winning a career slam with his RG final than either Wilander (never past the QF at Wimbledon) or Becker (never past the SF at RG). Edberg also had 3 GS titles in doubles (to Wilander's one and Becker's none), and paired to win the year end Masters Doubles title twice. He stayed at #1 for more weeks (72) than either Becker (12) or Wilander (20), and was #1 in doubles for 15 weeks.

    At the Olympics, Edberg has a gold in singles (exhibition year), plus bronzes in both singles and doubles. Becker has a gold in doubles.

    It's never fair to compare based on "what-ifs" but Edberg probably would have won another AO had he not been injuried in his final against Lendl, which would have put him one ahead of Becker and tied with Wilander for 7 majors in singles. Had he done that, plus of course, gotten the French which he was a point or two away from serving for the match, I don't think there would even be a debate about who ranks ahead of the others.

    Neither Wilander nor Becker had the consistency of Edberg. I concede that Becker could play exciting, unstoppable tennis at times, and was the better clutch player, however, he was also prone to self-destruct and had a lot of inconsistent performances. Yet his '85 Wimbledon and '86 repeat were legendary. Wilander had his great three-slam year in 1988, plus was a peak player at a very early age (he won 7 majors while age 24 or under), and his achievement at age 17 to win the 1982 French Open over some of the great clay court players at the time was amazing, but he lost interest and went on walk-about, plus only rose to the occasion for big tournaments.

    Interestingly, I recently read an article in the Swedish news where they ranked the top Swedish tennis players, and they ranked Borg - Edberg - Wilander as the top 3, in that order.

    Not sure I agree about greatest potential. I think Edberg is the best athlete among the three, plus had the best footwork, although Wilander's footwork is also excellent. Edberg's volleys are superior to Becker's, but Becker was also a great net player. From the backcourt? Even Becker said that Edberg had a far superior backhand to his, although Becker had the better forehand.

    Yes, a very close call. In any case, all three are favorites of mine and I still enjoy watching repeats of any of them play, and I understand why this debate is so close among fans of that era.
     
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    Yes, a really difficult debate.I could, at any moment, bring arguments for each of the three and so would you.We have to broaden our minds, always carrying in mind that they were separated by a hair or two.

    Wilander and Becker were very young ( 17) when they won their first major,Edberg was more of a late blossomer, even if he was ¡ JUST 19¡ when he got the 1985 Ao title, beating both Wilander and Lendl.a guy at 19 seemingly late blossomer¡¡¡ it´s kinda weird.

    Wilander was, clearly, the best at the backcourt, even if he lacked a winning shot like Edberg´s BH and Becker´s Fh and also BH return.Becker was not too consistent, but he was the guy that could go for the winner; Edberg was not a good returner and Mats was good because of his excelent footwork, but not because of his shots.

    Of course, Stefan is one of the best ever volleyers.Terrific.Becker could be both deadly but laso, didn´t move as well as the Sweden, so he was passable much more often.Wilander was a pretty good net man, he learned to come to the net and seldom missed a volley.But, of course, the net game was not the foundation of his game, as it was for the other two, and it was a complementary range that, when he mastered it, allowed him win 3 out of 4 slams.neither Becker, neither Edberg had a similar year like Wilander in 88, although the level of play of Becker in 89 and Edberg in 90-91 was even higher, IMO.

    So, as you can see, the more you think about it, the most difficult it gets.Based on his dominance indoors, I had picked Becker.neither Wilande ron clay, neither Edberg on grass were as dominant as Boris indoors.That is why I picked him over the 2 swedes, and because of his 88 year, I tend to lean on Wilander against Edberg, who finishes the third...and you know what, Edberg was my favourite player to watch out of the 3...I think it is a psychiatric case.
     

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