Best camcorder for recording tennis? Help!!

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  1. ilovetennis212

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    Please share your experiences.
    I've been looking for best camcorder for recording tennis matches.
    I want to see large view of opponent's court. Something like this. ( I didn't upload ATP match example pic cuz I won't buy high end pro camera like $7000. They also have much higher shooting point and better distance than QM1 support)
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    I will record with QM-1 with the ProView Extender. www.mytennistools.com
    Now I need to choose one camcorder between these models.

    1. Sony HDR CX330
    This is my first choice. Cuz it can extend recording time over 4hrs with big battery.
    But I'm worry about wide angle if it's enough to capture the whole court.

    2. Go pro hero 3+ black
    Best video quality for sure.
    This one has 3 wide view mode.
    Narrow, medium, wide.
    But I don't know how much wide angle is needed for tennis court.
    This one can record for 2hrs

    3. Sony action cam as100
    Best video quality and it has 2 wide view mode. 120' 170'
    I don't know what kind of angle do I need.
    This one record for 3hrs
    Better audio capture than go pro.

    I didn't list veho muvi hd10 because it only has internal battery.
    I want a cam with extra battery for day long capture.

    Please share your experience. And help me to pick one.
     
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  2. ilovetennis212

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  3. Rozroz

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    I bought an 80$ extreme cam,
    Decent footage, enough for me.
    From the choices you want, if you have money, go for go pro.
    'cause you can use it in many other situations, good support, built quality, etc..
     
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  4. MyTennisTools

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    Muvi has an external battery

    "I didn't list veho muvi hd10 because it only has internal battery.
    I want a cam with extra battery for day long capture."

    Actually, you can use a smartstick battery and a special usb cord to add another 3.5 hours of record time to your MUVI, for a total of 7 hours. Get another smartstick and add another 3.5 hours. Unlimited. You can buy them on Amazon or from where you got your QM-1.

    I use both the MUVI and the GoPro. The MUVI is my "everyday" camera, and the GoPro I use for special events like when I need more than one camera going at a time. Both work great.
     
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  5. t135

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    I researched this recently and found the ideal camera. I'll see if I can find it again. The lens is a key component.
     
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  6. 4allmemory

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    Review of Camcorders for recording Tennis Matches

    I have a daughter that plays junior tennis and we record all her matches to be reviewed by her coach. I have tried many cameras over the last 3 years. I wrote the following for a friend who was looking for the same for his daughter. I hope someone finds it helpful.

    Here is the setup that I am currently using and the prices are USD current as of 2/2/15 :

    Panasonic HC-V750K HD Digital Camcorder with Wi-fi
    New : $499.00

    SanDisk Extreme Plus 64GB $64.99

    Raynox .66x Wide Angle Lens $124.99

    Panasonic VW-VBT380 Lithium-Ion Battery Pack $99.87
    (Gives you over 4 hours of battery life. The one that comes with the camera only lasts 1 - 1.5 hours)

    QM-1 Camera Pole $79.00

    So, you are looking at ~$868.00 for the whole setup. (I found a used camera for $100 less so you might look for one as well) While this is a lot it has been 100% reliable, easy to use and produces amazing images, even in low or difficult lighting which the cameras below do not do well in. It also makes a great vacation camera. :)
    Once other big selling feature for me is that it connects to iphone or android and you get a realtime view in your hand to set the camera in the right level position when it is on top of the fence. Other than the quality of the images, this is probably my favorite feature.
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    Alternatives?
    Sony HDRCX130 Handycam Camcorder $219.99 + Add memory card and pole for $145 + external battery $37.00 + Wide angle lens $30.00 = $431.99
    I found some reviews where people said they used this setup for tennis but I could not find any video to see what it looks like.

    GoPro Hero 4 $399 + add memory card and pole for $145 + $33.00 for extra batteries and charger = $577
    I have tried both the Hero 2 and Hero 3 and they both had an issue of overheating and shutting down. We a good half of my daughters matches because if this and this was while using the open back. I Googled and found many posts that it is still an issue on the newest Hero 4 version as well. (BTW, I found the same issue when reading reviews of the Sony Action Cam.) Caveat: We live in Georgia so if you use it where the temp is not 90+ you may not have an issue.

    Muvi VCC-006-K2 Digital Camcorder $219.00 + Add memory card and pole for $145 + external battery $37.00 = $401.00
    This is a new competitor to the GoPro. I have not found enough reviews to know whether it will have the heat issue or not. (Well I did find one that said they had the heat issue) Both this and the GoPro are also optimized for clarity of what is approx. 4 feet in front of you. This means that when viewing a tennis court or things far away the image will be bent slightly and less clear farther away on the edges.
    Neither camera will have the same image quality as the camcorder just due to their optics being so much smaller.

    Are there cheaper alternatives? Yes, I tried several "cheap" options last year (Cheap = ~$200) and each had their own problems ranging from needing to convert file formats to requiring external batteries to make it through a tennis match and they did not produce very good images.
    Is the Panasonic twice as good as the action cams? I believe so.

    Once more note: If there is a chance of rain I use my homemade water proof case that cost $1.50. I took a 1 liter soda bottle and cut the top off and made a hole for the camera mount and a couple holes in the back for heat to escape. It fits perfectly and protects the camcorder. (In case you are wondering about the LCD, this camcorder shoots with the LCD door closed :)
     
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  7. Merlin703

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    Well, I hope I'm not making an incorrect choice. I have just pressed the "Order" button on the most popular online store (I'm not sure if it's OK to put the link here). They are selling the Sony HDR-AS100VR POV Action Video Camera with Live View Remote (White) on sale today in their "Today's Deal" for $149 and $219 (with the Live View Remote is $219). I think this is a good deal, right? I just want to be able to video myself playing and practicing. I often play indoor. The Sony AS100 appears to have good review for low light conditions, even better than the GoPro. Also, the "remote" option, allows you to actually view what you are filming and turn ON and OFF.

    If anybody thinks I'm making a mistake please speak up. I believe I can cancel may order any time today, thanks.
     
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  8. Chas Tennis

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    Do you want 30 fps or high speed video?

    From the high speed video viewpoint of a golfer - I'm not sure if this is the same Sony Action cam. This one does 120 fps, a little slow from the better 200-300 fps good for the faster parts of the serve.
    http://www.mytpi.com/articles/technology/sony's_action_cam

    Indoors the lighting level will cause more motion blur, always difficult indoors.....
     
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  9. Merlin703

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    yes, the Sony SA100 is only 120 fps. Any suggestions on cameras that can handle 200 - 300 fps?

    The Sony is small, light and has the auto stabilization system. Compared to other cameras, including GoPro, it has very good reviews. I have tried using my Android phone BUT low light really kills the quality.
     
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  10. Chas Tennis

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    Indoor light levels cause a problem with motion blur. My Casio FH100 (no longer available new) makes the most of the available light level by using its manual exposure control to shorten the exposure time even though the video gets dark. Indoors I can get down to about 1/750 sec and maybe it would be faster with a wide angle zoom setting. With an automatic exposure control you have to go with whatever the camera's program is. It might be OK, and is probably very useful.
    http://www.kinovea.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2033#p2033

    Suggest that you try to search Youtubes with the model number and some very rapid sport motion such as golf, tennis, volleyball, squash, etc. Look for motion blur.

    There are other capabilities that I don't know about. For example, doing stop-action single-frame on the camera and editing.

    Lot of this type discussion also in the thread on the Canon Powershot 110 HS. I tested it outdoors in bright sunlight and with the widest angle zoom lens.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=484212
     
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  11. comeback

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    I paid $209 for the camera, pole, memory card etc at
    http://www.mytennistools.com/ so far it's been a great investment for me on improving my game
     
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  12. j1ggy

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    Why not get a dSLR?
    It has great video functions, and nothing beats it in photography. So it can be used for hollidays, b-days etc.
    I bough a Canon 700D ( Rebel T5i in US ) and its great. I've recorded a couple of trainings and doubles matches with it and so far it performs really well.
    I must add that I also have a Canon camcorder and just don't see the point of owning one when you have a machine that's much more versatile and frankly, better in just so many aspects...
     
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  13. Merlin703

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    The problem with the DSLR is size and weight. I'm looking for something that I can keep in my bag most of the time and not worry so much about dropping. I didn't cancel my order so I think I will keep the Sony AS100. As Chas_tennis said, it might not work for serves. It will be a starting point, however.
     
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    I think the main two things are that you use a wide angle lens and have an easy way to attach the camera high on the back fence. The camera is not that important except that it must be small and convenient enough not to get left at home. The wide angle lens is a must or you won't be able to view the entire court, no matter how good your camera is.

    I use an old kodak playsport with a wide angle lens and mount it to the back fence with Gorillapod flexible tripod. The camera is light enough that it works with the tripod, easily handles 2 hours of video, and if it gets destroyed or forgotten, then no tears will be lost.

    As an upgrade, the plan is to get a monopod that hangs from the top of the fence, something like the QM-1 or volleycam. The gorillapod works pretty well but takes too much time to setup. I'll probably MacGyver something together with a monopod, adjustable camera mount, and some sort of double J-hook.
     
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    Thank you! This is an excellent post!


     
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  16. 2ndServe

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    I use my phone a Samsung Note 4, it can record 4k, it has a microsd slot for expansion. The battery lasts a long time and you can get an extended battery and they are removeable. Just get a phone mount like a gorillapod. I got mine for $10. i already had the phone so the cost was $10 for the mount pretty much any phone now will have a high quality camera. I like ones with a removable memory and battery. It's easy to view, transfer and I can stream it straight to my TV from my phone.
     
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  17. Tennis Kangaroo

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    cellphone cameras don't have wide lens field of view so the corners of the court get cut out. But for learning - hey, any kind of video is better than no video :)
     
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    My hitting partner and I both have MUVI HD camcorders and the video quality is excellent. I mount it on the QM-1 Camera fence mount. Solid and stable. I highly recommend both the MUVI camcorder and the QM-1 mount.
     
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  19. Dan Huben

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    How do you post process the video mine are choppy

    Sent from my GT-N8013 using Tapatalk
     
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  20. Chas Tennis

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    Choppy? Post an example video.

    1) With slower computers sometimes the videos do not play well. Look up the speed of your computer and see if it meets the requirements for playback. The may play OK for a short time and then freeze or skip frames (can't remember which?).

    2) Another problem may be using an SD card that is too slow when recording. It can skip recording frames if the SD card is too slow. Check that you are using the proper 'class' of SD card in the camera User's Manual. Class 10 is recommended for my camera in high speed video mode.

    3) A similar problem may occur on playing video from an SD card, I guess, if it is too slow. (My frame skipping issues have been when recording.)

    4) Another issue is shutter speed. If you can set the shutter speed, as with a DSLR, and it is very fast, when you play it back at 30 fps it can look 'choppy'. For 30 fps playback some motion blur reduces the choppy movement. On the other hand, for single frame analysis minimum motion blur is recommended (fast shutter speeds).
     
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  21. Chas Tennis

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    For anyone interested in high speed video for stroke analysis, Casio has a new camera that has manual exposure and a shutter speed as fast as 1/10,000 sec. Casio Ex 100f. Available Az as ....100fbk.

    This is the first affordable camera that I know of with manual exposure control since the Casio FH100 went out of production about 2010 or 2011.
     
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    Use moviemaker for editing, then save as HD Mp4.
     
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  23. Tim Bereika

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    I bought a knock off GoPro camera on Amazon and it shoots great 1080P video. I'd be happy to post a sample if you'd like to check out the quality. The price was right too...$69.00.

    Here's the link: http://amzn.to/28YugVn
     
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