Best current IG Prestige?

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  1. Top Jimmy

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    Looking for a replacement for my Dunlop 4d 200 Tours. Only have two left due to temper and looking for a slightly lighter swing weight replacement.

    Spec wise these seem similar enough to the Tours and the three flavors of Prestiges have pro's and cons.

    Pro - 16x19 like my Tours (yay), larger headsize, highest swingweight.
    MP - 18x20 (boo), larger headsize, lightest of the bunch.
    Mid - 18x20 (boo), 93sq inch head, most HL balance.

    I can't seem to find a Mid in town to demo, currently have a MP and Pro to demo tomorrow.

    How different is the Mid compared to the other two? Head size does not scare me.
     
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  2. maxpotapov

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    String pattern of the Mid is so dense, it's almost unplayable by today's standards. I know because I'm using it and thinking of switching to some open pattern racquet.
     
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    Thanks, that is a fear of mine. Get used to your ball flight with a more open pattern, then change to hitting a board.
     
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  4. Overheadsmash

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    I have two pro's, two MP ltd editions, and an S. The pro's are really solid but you have to be strong - they are heavy. I use my pro's in the summer outside on the clay when it is warm.

    I use the MPs, which seems to swing lighter and easier, indoors in the winter when it is cold.

    Both are solid, but the pro seems to have more plow through. The MP is better on serves though because i can generate more head speed with it.

    I string the MP with TF X-1 Biphase mains and TF Red Code crosses. Both 18.
     
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    What about the S? Do you use it?
     
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    Ridiculous! I use the IG Prestige Mid right now. I have no problem with the string pattern.
     
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    Haha I just switched from the 4D200T to the IG Prestige Pro having demoed them all. Haven't looked back.
     
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  8. pvaudio

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    ....Not really, you can get absurd amounts of ball action with it.
     
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    IG Prestige Mid.............Best IG Prestige IMO.
     
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  10. Racquet Daddy

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    I'm afraid to ask, but could explain this line of thought a little further?
     
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  11. Circa 1762

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    Another vote for the Pro here. Even accounting for swingweight (I leaded my demos to the exact same weight and SW to do a direct comparison), the IG Pro is significantly more powerful than the IG MP. Surprisingly good spin with the MP despite the tighter pattern, but I also found the Pro more stable - higher twistweight, perhaps? Also, my experience may be atypical, but my MP and Pro demoes were virtually the same weight and SW stock, and both were under spec. Just means that if you want a lighter Pro, you should be able to find one.
     
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  12. maxpotapov

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    I said "by today's standards", meaning players are spoiled by racquets that really help to arc the ball over the net. If they try something like Prestige Mid, it feels like skating rink. It takes ridiculous amount of effort to get more rpms with 18x20 89 sq in, compared to "modern racquets". The only way to make it easier is to use some sharp poly in the mains, like PolyStar Turbo or Dunlop Black Widow.

    It is perfectly fine for oldskool flat hitters (no offence), as long as you don't try to Nadal the ball with it. My shoulder still hurts from such experiments and I need a stringbed that will launch the ball much higher, given natural gut / poly setup.
     
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  13. Overheadsmash

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    I use the S if I am playing doubles with the old guys. It's good against that drop shot, no pace, stupid spin, pseudo-squash, old man doubles game. It's quick and easy to swing. It's stable against hard groundstrokes, but not like the pro is.
     
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  14. jman32

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    I tried the mid (friend has one) and demoed the pro, bought the pro.

    I was able to hit with the mid without a problem. But once in a match I had some extra frame jobs. Me and Fed

    The Pro is very solid fantastic at net. Does everything really well. THe only thing to be concerned with is that it can feel stiff if you don't hit the sweetspot.

    I added some lead tape to get it up to 12.6 and a 335SW

    The rAcket punishes the ball and the strings. I have to restring do to wear approx 6-8 hours of play and that is lux or other tuff string
     
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  15. Ess

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    Switching to the IG Prestige Pro was the best tennis decision I've ever made. In my opinion a flawless racquet. You will not regret it.
     
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  16. Racquet Daddy

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    I don't disagree with you, max, that the 100 sq in, 16x19, yellow and black, super stiff frames have been pushed in front of kids for the past several years, and that they, in turn, can impart more rpms than a midsize racquet. But to call it "unplayable" is a bit of a stretch. It does take more developed strokes to wield a midsize racquet, though :wink:

    To the OP: no offense, but if you're not A) Sponsored, B) Have the last name Safin - then you shouldn't be breaking racquets because you can't keep your temper in check in the first place. (insert some emoticon that displays that I'm halfway kidding)

    Haha...max, I guess Safin's midsize Heads were unplayable if he kept destroying them all.
     
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  17. sundaypunch

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    I look at the reviews for the "S" and they all say it looks great on paper but just doesn't cut it. The problem is, I have played the MP and currently have the Pro and I would really like it if they were just a bit lighter and more head light (I know, then it's not a Prestige).

    So even though the reviews tell me that you can't make the "S" into a competent Prestige, I still am tempted to try one. I would like something exactly like the Pro but about 11.9 oz. and 8-10 pts. head light.
     
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  18. Circa 1762

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    Of the two Pros I demoed, one came in at 11.8 oz, 33.1 cm balance, and 324 SW, and the other at 12.1 ounces, 32 cm balance, and 314 SW. Given the apparent variance, I bet if you asked TW to find you the lightest, most head light Pro they have, you could get something pretty close to your desired spec.
     
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  19. maxpotapov

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    Like many Mid players before him, Borg, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, Sampras... Even Agassi used extra dense string pattern in his OS frame, but next generation gravitated towards open pattern and/or MP+ frames. Wilson PS90 launches the ball so much higher than Prestige Mid.

    Why make recreational players and juniors work more to get the ball over the net and into the court?
     
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  20. audioaffliction

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    The best current Prestige is whichever one you play best with. The Pro does make more spin a bit more easily. It's also the most powerful of the lot. Depending on the way you hit, this may or may not be the best option. For me, the Pro was a tad difficult to control if I wanted to hit a cleaner ball. It basically meant that I had to string a bit higher than I'd like. I also found it a bit less forgiving on off-center hits--there's just more off-center area in its larger frame.

    On the other hand, I find the Mid has a very large sweet spot relative to the size of the frame. Even shots hit well towards the edges of the frame are very easy to put in the court. In general, I find it much easier to make spin with the current Mid versus iterations of previous generations, all the way back to the Prestige 600. Adding a leather grip makes it even more head light, which I find helps me make crazy amounts of spin if I want to. YMMV.
     
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    This sounds interesting. I have Prestige Tour 600 and struggle with extreme top spin shots as much as with LM Mid (unless I use sharp poly mains). Maybe they fixed something in the hoop with IG iteration, which also explains larger sweet zone.
     
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  22. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    You must be using it wrong then. It's playable and then some, don't blame the racquet.
     
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    I would vote for PRO - i could test it last weekend and it is a GEMSTONE! BTW. I is the same (100% match) frame as Prince Rebel 95, but with 16x19...

    I would also support Max Potato as I think that 90 sq. inch with 18x20 must be pain to play today. If I played with eastern grip on both fh and bh then it could be great, but for semi western its too complicated imo.
     
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    It gets frustrating when I have to play against 12-14 y.o. ball bashers, and I'm 25 years oldER. And it's unfair when they get handicap, playing with light and fast boomsticks, not me.

    P.S. The only way to play against those kids is to spin the ball over their heads. Trying to hit through them does not really help, as they return and retreive almost everything as long as the bounce is low.
    Maybe that's why Pete Sampras quickly switched to some Babolat after endorsing KPS88 on his comeback.
     
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  25. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    1) You don't "have to" play anyone. If you agreed to play so and so, then play, and don't complain about their game. You can't agree to play and complain. Do one or the other.

    2) True 12-14 y.o "ball bashers", or ball bashers in general, know **** about strategy and tactics. Mix it up, this upcoming generation has a condition called "netphobia", and mix up the pace. Majority of this upcoming generation is using the Western grip with its high strike zone, use the slice and make them dig balls up from the ankles.

    3) Assuming your proposed age, you may just come back and complain about the "light and fast broomsticks" these youngin's are using and how they're wrecking your arm. Especially if you've grew up using traditionally weighted racquets. If you won't be able to take advantage of them, why curse them if it's of no use to you?

    4) A few ounces here and there make marginal difference in overall swing-speed/acceleration of the racquet head. So again, I don't understand why you put any emphasis on these "light and fast broomsticks".

    5) The superior can out-pace, out-spin, out-precise the opponent regardless of the equipment, period.

    I used the Prestige Mid in one form or another for a decade, with its "so dense, it's unplayability in today's game" and I was able to put significant amount of topspin with my E. Eastern grip. Along with significant bite on my slice too.

    Just play man, quit blaming equipments.
     
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  26. maxpotapov

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    My only complaint was I'm physically tired of 18x20 at 89 sq in, not that I can not win with it or put extra action on the ball.
    Look at all former champions playing exos, no one is using anything like 18x20 at 89 sq in. No one from current top 20 (or maybe top 100?) uses anything as small and dense. Not because they lack skill, it is just tiresome to the point of being unplayable for modern game.
     
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  27. ShiroRm

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    The Mid grabs the ball "very" well and allows to put a lot of top spin, when used with adequate strength and timing
     
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  28. sundaypunch

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    Yes, it is curious that almost none of the top-100 use 90's yet there are so many people here that hit great with them. I played a 90 for many years and still occasionally hit with one. I love them when I'm not being pushed.

    That is exactly my problem with a Prestige. Perfect for rallying, the ball machine or playing people worse than me. A bit too demanding vs. a tough opponent.
     
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  29. tennis_balla

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    I use the IG Mid and wouldn't say it gives more or less spin then previous versions. I've played with the iPrestige, LM, MG and now IG all Mid's.

    For today's game I think you gotta string it low 50's/high 40's and nothing higher, for full poly of course but even hybrid. It's a really quick racket, though I understand why most pros opt for the midplus version. Fresh restrings and new balls every time you go out and hit certainly does help.
     
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    Thanks for the good conversation.

    I like the idea of TW getting me a couple "light" and "HL" Pro's.

    Basically a lighter 4d200Tour sounds lovely.
     
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    The Mid is a different animal than the MP.
    I switch back and fourth.

    Mid is great for controlled volleys. Better for flat hitting accuracy. When I have time to set up, the Mid is pin point accurate. Slice cuts easier on the Mid.

    MP is more forgiving for off center but doesn't swing as smooth as the Mid. I find the MP easier on running shots where I get stretched out and have to use arm/wrist. MP is easier for returns on big first serve. Easier to access spin.
     
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    if the Mid is too demanding, both MP and Pro are great. Just a question if you prefer more control or more pop.

    The S is a tinny little thing that allows people who really shouldn't to play a "prestige".
     
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    It really is a badge of honour for you guys isn't it?
     
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    Prestige Mid always keeps me honest.

    In some ways the MP is more demanding since I have to dial things down or add more top to keep the balls in. It really comes down to stroke style.

    I'd rather play with a racket that doesn't let me get away with bad form, but thats another discussion.
     
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    What are today's standards?
     
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    All respect intended, but speak for yourself. My shots were dipping just as much with the mid as they were with my Dunlops. Just that my shots were dipping more with the Pro, and I was looking for that.
     
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    Man, there are some really, REALLY ridiculous comments in this thread. The S is an outstanding frame, better IMO than any other similarly weighted Head frames.
     
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    Prestige Pro headsize is essentially the same as the 200T. It is not a 98, it is between 95 and 96 sq in.
     
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    Same with me, as I often switch to Dunlop MW 200G. But I was talking about how high it clears the net, not how fast it dips into the court. My point was, more open string patterns tend to launch the ball higher, which makes it possible to use more "slippery" strings in the mains (not necessarily the sharpest polys). If my Prestige Mid is freshly strung with PolyStar Turbo mains, I can get any running forehand over the net with extreme top spin (my favorite shot). Especially with new set of balls. But when the mains lose their bite, it becomes increasingly difficult to clear the net in such situations. Less so with Dunlop MW 200G, even less so with Wilson BLX90 and no problem whatsoever with Prince EXO3 Tour 16x18 with any smooth poly.
     
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    Demo night last night with the MP and Pro. Went straight into a match. Warmed up with both. Preferred the lighter weight of the MP during warm-ups (considering I'm trying to get away from the 4d200T heft.)

    Won the first set 6-1, lost the second 4-6 due to forehand issues, won the 3rd set tiebreak. (i'm a 4.5 player for reference.)

    The racket feels very plush to me, maybe it was the string, it was strung at 57 lbs with Babalot Ny. I wish it had a full poly setup.

    Serving with the MP is fantastic. I'm able to get much more head speed with the lighter frame and didn't have to struggle to get some extra MPH when I wanted. Even with the tighter string pattern I was getting some really good action.

    Volley's were plush and the lighter weight really helped, especially on overheads.

    My one handed topspin backhand was the same as always, I can rip it with any racket so not a problem, at least it didn't get worse.

    Now the forehand on the other hand was an issue. The launch angle and slightly less spin caused some issues. Balls flying long or clipping the top of the net. And to be honest I don't think it's the racket but the grip shape is the culprit. I cannot get the same comfortable wrist movement with the stupid rectangular grip, it seems to hinder my rotation on the forehand.

    The other issue was when i did hit a good forehand i couldn't thump it like normal so i lacked a real put away shot which became an issue in the second set. The extra weight of the 4d200t seems to make me drag the forehand and allows me load up, if that makes sense.

    So basically everything was equal to or better with this racket except i lost my forehand and put away shot.

    So frustrating. Maybe I could get used to the grip, not sure.
     
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    Interesting that so many dislike the grip shape on Head rackets, that's one of the things I like the most about the rackets.
     
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  44. Top Jimmy

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    I'm thinking a 4 1/4 grip might help with the grip shape, demo was a 3/8ths.
     
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    I used the MP briefly this year and really liked it. I happen to prefer the radical MP, but the prestige MP feels really good too.

    If you like an open pattern, then I'd suggest the pro. but honestly, spin production on the MP is not hard at all with proper technique and strings. 17g or 18g poly and you have gobs of spin... with a tad more control than you would with open pattern.
     
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    @topJimmy re: grip shape - switching from wilson this gave me initially trouble as well, especially on the forehand. Similar situation as yours where I demoed a 3/8 but usually play 1/4.

    Ended up buying one MP for extended demo in 1/4 grip and replaced it with a wilson shaped pallet from the custom shop in NYC, but it felt larger than 4 1/4 even though that was the spec.

    after a month switched to the Pro with Head pallets and stuck with it. Took 2-3 weeks to dial it in and now I absolutely love the grip shape and haven't looked back. It's specially rock solid with a one handed BH.
     
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  47. El Zed

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    Not to intrude, but in terms of feel, is the IG Prestige Pro more similar to the Austrian PT280/PC600s or the Microgel Radical MP? I'm not speaking in terms of flex, but sheer "feel." While the MGRadical is a "nice" racquet, I'd place it closer to the APDGT rather than the PT280 in terms of solidness (vs. hollowness), while exhibiting an almost porcelain-like brittle feel (not sure if that even makes sense).

    Also, does the IGPP have anywhere near a heavy-ball in comparison to the PT280? The PT280 just has this beautiful tendency of unleashing absolute cannons with heavy spin when employing a full-western grip.

    Thanks, all.
     
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  48. Circa 1762

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    Hmm. My current rackets are Youtek Prestige MPs, and even though the IG Prestige Pro has a smoother feel, it still has the same type of brittle, ceramic-like feel as the Youtek MPs. I've hit with the MG Radical MP before, though, and it felt much more muted, and not nearly as ceramic-like.

    That said, I've also hit with the newest Pure Drive Roddick, and the Prestige Pro is definitely less hard on the arm than those. Unfortunately, I can't compare to the PT280, but I have a hunch the Prestige Pros don't quite have the feel you're looking for.
     
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    Thanks much for the reply. I tend to vacillate between the APD and the PT280 mostly now; depends on mood, the type of game I want to pursue, and my skill level on the day. Frankly, they are too different to be compared, with each fitting it's own niche nicely. While the MGRad is a nice racquet, I was hoping that it was close enough to PT280 as to serve as a low cost/low maintenance option. Alas, don't think there is anything that a MGRad does better than the PT280, particularly in terms of feel.

    While I was hoping for a PT280 with an open pattern, it seems as though the IGPP isn't going to be the answer - that brittleness is just too much of a deal-breaker, particular given the cost of committing to this stick.
     
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