Best mounting/clamping: Gamma 6004, SP Aria, Alpha Apex 2?

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  1. will2campb

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    How would you rank the mounting/clamping systems of the Gamma 6004, Silent Partner Aria, and Alpha Apex 2?
     
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  2. YULitle

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    Gamma 6004
    Alpha Apex 2
    Silent Partner Aria (lowest because of rotational tension head, sorry I'm bias) :D
     
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  3. will2campb

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    Thanks YuLitle. The rotational pulling of the Aria does not concern me so much since it does not require that one wrap the string around the puller, which requires more string. Are there other drawbacks to a rotational puller? My top priorities are mounting/clamping and string clamping, as well as consistent constant pull. If I buy the 6004 or Apex, I will put a Wise on it. I could buy the Gamma 5800, but the mounting and clamping system (including string clamping) is not as good as the 6004 and it costs $600 to upgrade to the 6004 system. If you take the rotational issue out of the analysis, how would you rate them?
     
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  4. YULitle

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    Rotational grippers always have a turn point, whether you go around once or not. On the Aria, it's a "Linear Rotational Gripper." The point where the string enters the gripper, when it is tensioned, is at a pretty sharp angle. Just doesn't sit right with me.

    But like I said, I'm pretty biased against rotational grippers.
     
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  5. barry

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    I own a wise and it works well. One more item you may want to consider is 360 rotations, it makes stringing easier. With the 6004 you will need to purchase a $40 adapter for Gamma setups. Unless you modify mounting, you may not get it. On my setup, I was able to add a thick washer at the base, which added a ΒΌ inch height, so the racket handle spins freely 360 degrees, unless you have over a 4 5/8 grip.
    My top pick is the 6004 with 2 point mounting, if you are going 6 point, you might consider the Aria. The Aria is a great machine, very smooth, and like you mentioned the tensioner design is superior to any other rotational tensioner on the market. Also the Aria clamps beats Gamma, both are spring assisted but the Aria uses 3 point instead of 5, which makes tight string patterns easier. Not a big deal but something to consider. Also the Aria can be a table top or a stand machine, which is a nice feature.
    I purchased a Wise because I needed backup (crank) if it breaks, and you can mail pieces back verses the whole machine. So far nothing has broken and it is very easy to use.

    All three are great machines, but if they ever go on sale, will go for the 6004 2-point machine.
     
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  6. will2campb

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    Thanks Barry for the info. If a machine lacks 360 rotation, how does it actually affect the stringing process?
     
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  7. YULitle

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    It slows stringing down for one. But it also means that you can't pull your first few mains straight out of the throat of the racket. They'll be pulled at an angle and the handle will be firmyl pressed up against the tension head(or whatever keeps it from being 360 rotation.)
     
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  8. LttlElvis

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    I'm with YULitle as far as rotational grippers, so the Aria wasn't even considered when I made my purchase. It came down to the Apex II vs. Gamma 6004. I thought the Alpha 3 tooth clamp was probably more convenient than the Gamma clamps. The Gamma 6004 and Alpha 6 pt mounting systems look pretty similar and the price of the Alpha Apex II was $200 less. However, it seemed like the Apex II is never available and the Gamma 6004 is readily available. Ended up getting the Gamma 6004 2 pt mounting. Personally, I prefer a high quality 2 pt mounting like the Gamma or Neos over 6 pt mountings.
     
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  9. cpmoran

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    I use the 6004, and I love it, and was going to add a wise soon, but recently decided to hold out for a 5star. Oh I have the 6pt its super fast to mount and at most adds 1 or 2 min stringing time vs 2p, but the added security is well worth it IMO.
     
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  10. Mike Cottrill

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    Why would you take the 6004 mount over the Apex? I agree with you but would like to know why you prefer. You used both machines?
     
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    I would have to agree with Yu as well. I have used the machines and I have enjoyed how easy the Self-Centering Mounting is on the 6004. Just turn one knob you can mount the frame in seconds. I would prefer smaller clamps, but I really do not find them to be much of hindrence. I vote 6004, Alpha, SP. But that's just my opinion.
     
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    I have strung hundreds of racquets on two different SP Arias and have never had a problem with the rotational gripper or anything else. The mounting system is very good as are the clamps, especially the newer style bases, that are also used on the OPUS. I have some minor quibbles with some of the ergonomics (see the USRSA review that you can find on SP's site. They had the same beefs) Just my 2 cents.
     
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  13. YULitle

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    Whoa. I'm gone for a week and things like this slip by. Sorry for the late reply. :D

    Well, I've seen side mounts like the one on the Apex before and I personally do not like them. I like to have a cushion between the mount and the racquet. Also, the one thing I liked about the TF I was stringing on was that the center towers moved as opposed to just the supports in the middle. I know there are those that do both, but it appears that the Apex2 does not. I like having the tower under the racquet. Again, another personal preference. Now, the one thing the Apex mounting had over the 6004 that I DID like was the shape of the side mounts. I prefer a true K shape as opposed to a bent "L" if that makes sense. On thinner beamed racquets, a K shaped side mount, like on the Apex or Star5, stays out of the way of the grommets better than a bent "L" does, like on the 6004 or TF7000. I think a better way to describe the shape is an upside down 7. That's it. I understand why they have that shape, and it's benefits, but I prefer the K shape.

    And, no, I haven't strung on either of them. But, I haven't hit with the Prince Silver, yet I know I won't like it. :D ;)
     
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  14. YULitle

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    Still have access to the machines? Anyway I could get a pic of tensioned string on the frontside? :) I'd love to see how I'm wrong. Honestly. It would open up my machine search a little bit.

    Also, I couldn't find the bit about ergonomics in the review on SPs website. Care to elaborate?
     
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  15. davidcal

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    The knobs on the posts which control the arms and the center support are very close together and are therefore a bit awkward.

    For the money I think it's a very good machine.
     
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    In the review they said that the clamps were cumbersome. Did you find this to be the case?
     
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    The newer clamps do seem a bit slimmer than the original model which is discussed in the review. I only notice it when positioning the clamps for the first few mains. Honestly I don't have much to compare them to as I have not strung on Babolat or Tecnifibre machines. I do know the clamps hold well and I have had zero problems with damage to string whether it be gut, multi, poly or syn gut.
     
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  18. YULitle

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    Sorry to keep picking your brain, but how was the action on the clamp housing? Did the clamp fall out of the way when you unclamped? or did it have to be brought down?
     
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    No problem, pick away. There is a spring under the clamp that you can compress or remove if you want it to drop out of the way more. At first it seemed to be a bit high, and I had to move it down and away. But after a few string jobs I did not have this trouble. Again given the spring it would be easy to modify.
     
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  20. chrisplchs

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    having strung with all three of those machines at some point in my life, I would have to say the Apex 2 is better than the 6004 just because of the feel of the clamps. Gamma clamps.. well.. don't feel right because I'm so used to the Babolat clamps which feel much heavier and confident. Gamma clamps feel like plastic and look like plastic and I can't stand the shine that bounces off of them.

    Also, I like the mounting of the Alpha better. I not a huge fan of the bent L shaped mounts that Gamma has but I do like how the K shaped mounts of the Alpha.
     
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    Sorry for such a late reply. This thred was brought to my attention by another TT poster.
    I've owned a SP-DG, Eagnas Comet 11, built an Alpha Equinox, with all orig parts using a Wise 2086 for the tensioner, and now own a Star 5.

    We'll keep the Star 5 out of this review. It's in a different league.

    Equinox: Out of the other 3 machines I've owned, the Equinox was, by far, the best of the three. Bad Azz machine. I really miss it. I have a pretty nice replacement for it tho. I used the Area string clamps and loved them. 3 tooth, stream line, very smooth, you could really "feel" the string.
    DG: It was and incredible work horse. I canned the DG stock clamps and upgraded to the Area 3 tooth. It was Quiet, accurate, and I really liked the rotational gripper. When the string was too short on a "tie-off" pull, I would just wrap the string around the moving "clam shell" and insert it into the jaw. That saved me from using a starting clamp for a "jumper". The DG mounting system was awesome. Deff the most sturdy of the 3.
    Comet 11: I hated the clamp bases. I swapped them out with the DG bases. I mounted a 2086 on it and The Comet mounting system was OK. You get what you pay for there.

    @Yulitle.....If you get this, elaborate as to why you dislike the rotational gripper. I found it rather pleasant!!
     
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  22. rich s

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    Yeah, i'm not sure why the rot gripper gets such a bad rap..... use a Klipper clamshell contraption and you might change your mind.

    I've don't hundreds of jobs on my 602FC as a dropweight (before I converted it to a Wise) and never had issues with the drum gripper....
     
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  23. David123

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    whats a clamshell contraption?
     
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    Klipper's tension head uses a clamshell type gripper device that can be less than enjoyable to use.....

    take a look at their site.....

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    edit.... I just looked at their site.... they don't show any detail......
     
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  25. Scotty1553

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    I like the Gamma Clamps

    I like the Gamma clamps because they never slip with the diamond coating they have. This makes a big difference when you are stringing with natural gut because you can set the clamps to a looser setting to keep from damaging the string without it slipping.

    If anyone is looking to buy a Gamma 6004 I actually have one for sale right now.
    http://cgi.*********/Gamma-6004-Tennis-Racket-Stringer-Stringing-Machine-/250810200043?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6573efeb#ht_562wt_1139
     
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    epic several year old thread revival...
     
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