Best player with worst BH

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  1. citybert

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    Who is the best player, I guess won the most Grand Slams with the worse BH. Courier comes to mind although it was good on the return of serve. Other maybe lendl? Both had massive forehands so not sure if it was just because its all relative and we just couldnt help but notice the difference off the other wing or was their BH truly that bad. Others?
     
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  2. papertank

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    Sampras' wasn't anything to write home about, not that he needed it very often.
     
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    Lendl's backhand was actually rather good in my opinion, I might say Courier for the actual question.
     
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  4. helloworld

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    Federer. Won 17 slams with that kind of backhand. Awful.
     
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  5. citybert

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    Damn you went there. Haha i knew someone would.
     
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  6. President

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    Carlos Moya, Petros Sampras..
     
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  7. helloworld

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    People don't understand the question. The question is "Who won the MOST slams with the worse backhand?". It is clearly Federer.
     
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    Let's see how many fed fans fall for your obvious troll.
     
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  9. NadalDramaQueen

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    He's just upset that my backhand is better than Pete's.
     
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    Sampras hands down. That backhand barely kept him in the rallies. Luckily for him most of the surfaces were fast so he could dictate play with his serve and forehand before someone got to his backhand. On clay it was completely useless.
     
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  11. BrooklynNY

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    You guys are out of your mind. Sampras' backhand was great just compared to his forehand it wasn't as good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCBJ0hFB6jw

    This clip alone has so many backhand winners and different angles, spins, pace and depths.

    Hardly "barely kept him in rallies" hahah
     
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  12. helloworld

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    Actually both Fed and Sampras are in the running for this, but Fed has more slams with equal backhand, so the winner goes to Federer. :lol:
     
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  13. BrooklynNY

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    hahahaha :D
    Of the absolute greats, yeah, they are, but like someone mentioned...I'd rate Courier as inferior to both Fed and Pete's
     
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    Lendl? He had a very good BH - his line BH on the run was a thing of beauty.
     
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  15. NLBwell

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    Moya's backhand wasn't that great.
     
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  16. BlewByU

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    this one is easy... Steffi Graf


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  17. Leelord337

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    Lol carlos moya definitely.

    also, John Mcenroes backhand was pretty awkward looking
     
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  18. BlewByU

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    though he didn't win any slams, Jimmy Arias had god-awful backhand...


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    I think people here forget that women also play tennis. This was my first thought as well.
     
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  20. Leelord337

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    nothing but slice
     
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  21. BlewByU

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    of course Arias' backhand is flanked by one-slam wonder Vitas Gerulaitis' backhand


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  22. Leelord337

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    The guy had no slams but did make it to the 2nd week of Wimbledon...Ivo Karlovic has the worst backhand in the ATP top 500
     
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  23. NadalDramaQueen

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    Of course, but most people are just responding to the Fed-hating trolls. Roger and Pete both have great backhands. I think Fed's is better (definitely smoother) but Pete's is not bad at all.
     
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  24. BlewByU

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    and, of course, honorable mention goes to any 2hbh players who achieved prominence in tennis world.

    they craftily masked their lack of skills by borrowing another hand from themselves...



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  25. Ripper014

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    I would say maybe Goran Ivanisevic and Martina Navratilova, I forgot about Françoise Dürr I think she won the French one year.
     
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  26. Tshooter

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    I forgot VG won the Australian though it wasn't in any manner a "Major" in 1977 but, yes, his backhand sucked especially by modern standards. He could rally with it (much of the time with a slice) and he could use it effectively to get to the net but he couldn't really hit much of a passing shot with it. But then in that period quite a few players had weak passing shots on the BH side. On the women's tour, could Shriver even hit a topspin backhand ?

    Arias had a crap and very weird backhand and he did win the Italian at a time when it mattered more than it does now. But if you want to get into non-Major crap BHs the list is a long one.
     
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  27. PointConstructor

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    I think Fed has a spectacular backhand only if he has to hit 2 or 3 in a row.If some palyer is capable enough to force him to hit backhands repeatedly,He will either hit a winner or much more likely will commit a mistake or shank(his favorite error) it.He doesn't have the consistency of say, a Wawrinka.So first 3-4(if he has to hit in arow) are good but beyond that for the greatest player,his backhand is awful.
     
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  28. Relinquis

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    you guys are just biased against single-handed backhanders... your loss.
     
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  29. Agassifan

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    Fed has one of the best BHs in history.. just that it suffers from a matchup anomaly against Rafa. Pete's BH was very weak.
     
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  30. helloworld

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    If Fed truly has a great backhand, Nadal wouldn't beat him so easily with 1 simple strategy, pounce on the backhand. Fed's backhand is weak for a guy who won 17 majors. Deal with it.
     
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  31. Leelord337

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    you are 100% right
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWoKA21Bm4k
     
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    Gonna take a guess. A video of Federer crushing Blake at the 2006 TMC?


    Edit: Nope! I was pleasantly surprised. I love this clip. Although it doesn't really convince me about the greatness of Federer's backhand.

    That shot by Federer is one of the sharpest angles for a backhand winner I've seen.

    I also like this one by Nadal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Wp_IJ1A63ss#t=217s
     
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  33. helloworld

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    I can put a series of Pete's backhand winners and it will look just as good as Fed's. The thing is highlight reels or a result of 1-2 match cannot conclude whether any player has a great backhand or not.
     
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    hahaha i almost put that TMC Fed/Blake match vid. The "backhand show". thats one of the few videos I can watch over and over and not get bored. I've seen it over 10 times actually...

    Thats a heck of a shot by Nadal too!
     
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    I KNEW it was going to be that shot by Nadal. That angle was ridiculous :D. I remember it well lol.
     
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    Lendl's backhand

    Interesting that you have that perspective on Lendl - on this forum a while back there was a thread that rated Lendl's backhand as one of the greatest single handed backhands in history! No way it was a weakness instead it was both a great offensive weapon and a great defensive tool to.
     
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  39. Agassifan

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    Watch some tennis and get back to me.
     
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    Stop taking meth then get back to me. :lol:
     
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  42. citybert

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    Nadal never beat fed easily with that strategy maybe except for clay. It was always a fight. assuming nadals FH is like a lefty kick serve as they say. 20 lefty kick serves in a row to anyones BH is just very difficult. Obviously nole was able to handle, which is why he won those string of matches
     
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  43. Federer20042006

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    Nadal doesn't beat him with 1 simple strategy. That's a myth said by people with their heads up their asses.

    Nadal beats him in a variety of ways, including playing incredibly annoying defense that forces Federer into errors. Federer's inside-out forehand plays right into Nadal's forehand down the line, which is Nadal's best weapon. When Federer hits a backhand down the line, Nadal is usually there to take it cross court with his own backhand, as being a lefty, he plays more towards his backhand corner. Federer's cross-court backhand plays into Nadal's forehand down the line.

    Plus, there's Federer's passiveness on break points, going against Nadal, who is aggressive when staving off break points.

    Heck, Federer's backhand has hurt Nadal quite a bit over the years, too. Just look at their indoor matches. Federer killed Nadal with his BH in those.
     
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  44. tudwell

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    Federer's backhand is also the strongest of any man who's won 17 slams, so I don't really see your point.
     
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  45. BeHappy

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    Carlos Moya and it isn't even close. His backhand was just awful. His solution was to just not hit any backhands :)

    He made up for it by having a top 10 serve and a top 3 forehand, possibly even better than Federer or Nadal. Ridiculous forehand.

    Great skill too, although he didn't use it that often. I remember Murray tried to do his cat and mouse thing with Moya and Moya just made Murray look stupid. Same thing happened with Stepanek around the same time.
     
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  46. NLBwell

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    I'd put the effectiveness of S. Graf's backhand up there with the top of her time.
     
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  47. ultradr

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    Federer's backhand used to be clear weakness in his early years at tour.
    People pounced on it and improved a lot. Federer now has a great backhand.
    I am not sure if I can call it as weapon that can frequently force an issue,
    but great backhand.

    Lots of 1 handers have weakness against lefties. It just one of the toughest shots in tennis.
    For example, it's extremely hard to hit down the line 1 handed
    backhand, from ad court, against heavily side/top spined lefty's forehand.
     
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  48. jaggy

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    Berasategui, if he even had a bh
     
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  49. citybert

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    Thats a really good one.
     
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  50. Geology_Rocks!

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    I find Nadal's BH pretty average.
     
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