Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Best99, Feb 25, 2011.
In your opinion, which is/are the best quality racquets made in China?
h22 and stock k blade 98
I hope you are joking.
That thing chips like crazy. Soon I will have a white PJ.
The above list is what I think is a cut above. But really they are all very good. Some have required their OEM to have tighter tollerence than other brands and have little higher quality paint finishes. But there really is no bad name brand racquet out there.
Let me just say, you forgot the mother of quality, Wilson!:grin:
I wasn't asking about brands, but about specific racquets. I honestly think nowadays we can't get quality sticks like we could some years/decades before, when the Classic 600 or the PS were at their prime...
That's my opinion, but I may be wrong. I personally play with a K 6.1 Tour 90 and think that's in a certain way a ''good quality'' racquet. Are there REALLY good quality racquets in the current mortals market? Pros can get almost whatever they want, but what about the Average Joe that buys a $200 stick in his regular tennis shop? Will he get the same quality as some years before?
In my experience dunlop has always kept their sticks closest to spec.
Quality means... match to specs? paint quality? keeping its shape?
There are no good quality racquets. Even pro stock K Blade Tours chip like crazy
Let's say that a ''good quality'' racquet is the one who is close to its specs. Appart from that, I'd also take into account how good the quality control is, meaning how much do 2 racquets of the same model differ.
Cannot agree on this one. I've got 2 K 6.1 90s and they have exactly the same balance and weight, and play identically (meaning they play awsome).
just because the two you got doesnt mean that wilson's QC is good. they probably have the worst consistency in terms of specs throughout a batch of rackets. you got lucky there.
Would you mind sharing why Pro Kennex and HEAD(retail??) are ahead of Pacific in your list?
What about Tecnifibre??
Head and Volkl
The main product lines of Pro Kennex, such as the KI series, are made in Taiwan.
The Redondos and Ki Series I have seen are all Made in China.
Pro Kennex was once Made in Taiwan but not since the early 90's.
The sad thing about getting a racquet from China is that it can chip so easily.
Even swinging in the air will lead to giant white mark on your racquet somewhere.
To be honest, if you had the money and the molds for a racquet, you could probably statistically make a better racquet then from China.
And all of this is coming from a Chinese guy.
I can tell you that the finish on my adidas Barricades - made in China - is as good, if not better, than any frame I've ever owned. Very durable, beautifully applied, and they still look great after two years plus of hard playing. Very few chips in (or even marks on) the paint, and those that are there are in heavy-wear areas. Keentech made them, for whatever that means. My old Kneissl Toms Machines were good in that regard, too, but not as good as the Barricades. Too bad nobody bought the bloody thing...
my mg prestige mid looks great still.
haha maybe it was a 1 in a million freak accident or something.
Ya telling that there are currently racquets not made in China!!!
Racquets made out of china! Obviously they are gonna break if you play with them!
Seriously though I think that the quality of racquets out of china is pretty good in general. Just because its china doesnt make it worse however I think that the paint is absolutly terrible but the rackets are structurally sound and I dont see why they would be closer to spec anywhere else in the world?
If I pay $200 for a ''player's frame'' I'd like to get great quality on what I buy. Someone here said that I was lucky because I came across 2 K 6.1 90 that had exactly the same balance and weight, so I assume the quality control here is not that great (I already knew some sticks had this ''problem'').
Appart from that, IF the quality is not that bad, why don't generally speaking pros play with ''Made in China'' frames? Appart from Federer who seems to play with a retail version of the K90 I am not concerned of any other pro who plays with a retail version of the racquet he calls to use. Is that a consequence of the preference of the player because he loves playing, let's say, with a made in Austria PT57? As far as I know many of the top pros are playing with that stick. So, why can't we get the same quality racquets of the pros? Someone would say they'd cost a fortune. Anyway, I think more than one here in this forum would pay (let's suppose) $400 for exactly the base racquet a pro uses (base racquet meaning without customization).
Yonex still manufactures their premium racquets in Japan.
Isn't Yonex the only one who manufactureres outisde China?
forget china, Yonex in Japan all the way
Basically all the small non-American companies have high-quality paintjobs and tighter QC - Volkl, Dunlop, etc.
Babolat, Head and Wilson are the worst quality but the best playing characteristics so it's a trade-off
How can a bad quality product perform well?
head and babolat aren't american
I have been blown away by the Dunlops I have just started using (china made)
There are a LOT of tennis players in our house, and the weakest is an 11 year old with a national singles ranking in 12s, so there are plenty of people to playtest anything that comes into the house.
Now, we almost all play with HEADs, my (4.0) wife has some MG Instincts, The 17 year old and the 15 year old play with YT Extremes and, until last week, I had Speed MPs. (The munchkin has a couple of lightweight (260g) Volkl Tours)
Ok, so, observations. All the heads have poor quality paint and there is a fair bit of spec variation. This is particularly the case with the Extremes, of which we have 6, none of which weigh the same! Katie's Instincts are probably the pick of the bunch to play with, nice racquets. My Speeds were pretty well made but the frame turned out to be a little heavy and a little harsh for my decrepit arms to cope with, so I moved on..to Dunlop!
Ok, here's the thing, my Bio300s are sensational. It isn't just that they are a beautiful frame to hit with, with no vibration (I didn't realise how much the HEADs all vibrate til now) and a lovely feel, but the quality control is amazing. They are all the same!
So, just my $0.02, but coming from a family full of players who all say the same thing. In fact, I fear the 'Dad, I think I would play better with new racquets' conversations are not far away!
(I should be pretty safe, though, just on the peer pressure factor. All their squad mates play with either HEAD or Babolat, adn they are teenagers...)
(Wilson don't have a huge presence around here, for some reason, you see a few older pro staffs, but not many of the newer frames for some reason)_
So you agree on the fact that Head rackuets have a low standarized QC but that they play well anyway?
well, only kind of. I find them a bit harsh and tinny compared to either Liam's (the 11 year old) Volkls or my Dunlops.
Lots of vibration.
I haven't really had much to do with Babolat or Prince, so I can't compare them.
I've gathered some useful information today.
I just went to my regular tennis shop, as I am used to, but since I had some free time I decided to spend it talking to the owner of the shop, who I knew since a long time ago and is kinda a friend of my.
I talked to him about this, and he told me one very interesting fact.
If you take a look at the composition of a certain racket, let's say a Youtek Prestige, you may read something like graphite + d3o or something similar. Furthermore, if you look for the composition of a Aeropro Drive, you may come across to a "100 % HMG", wright?
Well, not in fact. That's in some ways wrong.
He told me that every brand who provides rackets for them sends them a list with the REAL composition of the rackets, and the percentage of carbon they had. To my surprise, some of them had only a 60 % of graphite (I think it was a Babolat Extra Sweetspot). I was told that there's no racket with a REAL construction of 100 % graphite, just because in the mortals market there isn't such thing. And, luckily, he also pointed out the fact that my K 6.1 90 was one of the rackets with the highest % of carbon on its construction. Maybe that can explain the differences in what has to do with the quality construction of the rackets. How does that sound?
Here we go with this crap again. Pros play with Austrian frames, in part, because the factories in China are set up to produce mass numbers of racquet of a different composition. They aren't really set up to produce a few thousand of a different spec for the pro players. Ultimately, we don't know all the reasons why Head is producing frames in Austria for the pros.
As for actual quality, just look at the spec variations of Fischer racquets, Kneissl, and Wilson racquets. All are made in China BUT, the first two have great quality control. the Kneissl even has the old school feel with the kevlar tendons. The difference if you haven't figured it out yet is the company (or their requirements), not where the racquet is made. Why don't you take two Head Radicals from the 90's and see how close to spec they are. I bet it won't be better than the current China frames. I agree that the old racquets felt better. But that has to do with the composition and design of the frame, a decision made by Wilson/Head/Prince, not a consequence of Chinese production.
Even though these aren't the Bio frames I still like posting this picture when applicable.
Racquet weights from left to right*:
How much of the racquet is the resin which binds together the graphite fibers?
I would love to know it
So I assume at this point we can point out that:
1) The composition of the rackets vary much more than at least I have thought they'd vary
2) The fact that a specific racket is "100 % Graphite" is not correct
Do you know at least a reason? If so, please tell us!
dunlop quality is not so good as it looks. weight and balance is maybe same, but swingweight is very very different from 304-320 on biometic 300
I would love you to explain how, on 2 racquets with the same weight and balance (your words) the swingweight can possibly vary?
I have 3 bio 300s, I have them all strung the same and I use whichever one comes first to hand out of the bag. They play exactly the same from racquet to racquet.
I have two identical power bridge 10s and the paint doesn't chip when I scrape the ground. It scratches a bit, but they really are very high quality sticks.
I used to have to weight my babolats differently to match them :/
are you serious with your question?
- 2 grams on balance point
- 1 gram on each end
balance and weight remains the same, but swingweight will be higher on 2nd racquet
Carbon pre-preg sheets are still considered "100% carbon" or rather just "carbon" which would translate to the 100% carbon from a marketing/product offering point of view.
But AFAIK those sheets can come with different compositions. Which one would you prefere, a sheet with 60 % or real carbon or another with 80 %?
erm, if you do this on, say, a 309g racquet, you will then have a 313g racquet...
that isn't the same weight
I think what he meant was putting 2g at the balance point on frame A and putting 1g at each end of frame B (assuming you put the 1g weights in the right places so as not to change the balance)
Both racquets would then still be the same weight and balance but the swing-weight would not necessarily.
ohh, i see what he means.
I dunno if he's right about the swingweight, I'd have to try it, but I see what he meant, now
thanks for that
In simpler terms, swingweight allows for where on the frame the weight is placed. A frame with the same weight and balance can still have the weight distributed differently, depending on how much is concentrated in one specific spot (think Wilson PWS vs. simply spreading the weight evenly across that area of the frame).
And if we're being technical/semantic about it, you could argue that Wilson isn't either, as it's now Finnish owned. Among the majors, Prince may be the only American-owned company.
While I'm mythbusting here, it's worth pointing out that MANY pros are currently using Head racquets that are made in China (albeit pro stock ones). Fewer are using the Austrian models each year, and it appears they may be trying to phase them out totally at some point.
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