Best racket for 11 year old boy ith wrist problems

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  1. dannythomas

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    Best racket for 11 year old with wrist problems

    My daughter currently uses a Wilson Pro Staff 6-1 100 " but she is getting continual wrist issues even though she really likes the racket. I have tried stringing it with natural gut with loose tension but it makes no difference . She has had the injury checked out and it is just inflammation no break. She has rested it a number of times but every time she hits it comes back. She hits with spin and comes to the net . Her coach doesn't think it's a technical issue with her strokes.
    I m confused if she should change rackets and if so go heavier or lighter, head light or heavy and stiff or flexible. Any ideas or suggested rackets ? I believe the pro staff is about 10.7 strung.
     
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    Maybe try a heavier racket. At 11 the boys are hitting pretty big balls maybe 10oz is just too light. Im no expert.... Maybe pro tour will see this question he's a racket guru.
     
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    I would think a heavier racquet would only tire his wrist out after repeated use and make the wrist even more prone to injury.
     
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    Are you sure you are talking about a son not a daughter :confused: even if you use 16g NG which I suspect you are it may be harsh, I would recommend 17g or even18g multi at low biphase comes to mind . We have a pro that uses a ps6.1 100 and he has had inflammation above his wrist, he rested it for two weeks. She needs rest IMO and 17g soft multi at 40lbs for one month if you insist on playing her. Good luck. I like the new aero lite, plays softer than stated , use soft replacement and add 10g to the handle to make I more HL since she likes coming to net :)
     
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    You are too sharp PT. there I was trying to be anonymous ! Ok do you think the ps 6.1 is contributing to the issue ? I thought previously you said the aero is too stiff. I have edited the post now !

    Also, I know racquets like the Pro Kennex range and the Head Microgel are supposed to be good for arm protection. Would they also help with a wrist problem ?
     
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    Your daughter may fall into the minority of people that don't react well to the ampli-feel. Does her hand get a numbing sensation too? There are a few threads on this so I won't belabor the point. But see how she does with a different, non-Wilson racket. Although the Aero is marked as a stiff racket, it's core-tex technology rids all the vibration IMO. Also try some wrist supports. I use one from McDavid and love it.
     
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    Wrist problems most of the time are from overuse,

    Hard to tell exactly if ps 6.1 100 is the culprit , it is 65 RDC but has basalt to dampen shock. Is her grip the correct grip size? sometimes too big of a grip is not good and too small of a grip as well. Does she use wristy strokes? are you blasting volleys at her most of the time to improve her net game? Does she have the standard replacement grip that came with the frame? get her a soft replacement from volkl, not leather of course, use a thicker overgrip, use volkl dampener which dampens the string/shock very well. Like I said the strings even at 55 lbs would be harsh for an 12 year old girl if they were 16g even NG 16g, I would recommend 18g biphase at 45lbs, rest for a week and give it a try, if problems persist change frame go heavier 330g more head light 31cm more flex under 60, good luck
     
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    Thank you again Pro Tour. Funnily enough her coach let her play with his Aero Pro Drive French Open today and she didn't complain once about her wrist. Of course the fact that it was a limited edition " French Open " racquet gave her a buzz . I have no idea if this could be a long term solution ( there are a few still around ) and it was strung with Pro Hurricane Tour at mid tension. I did notice that she was having to work less hard to generate pace with the heavier racquet
    Both on ground strokes and serve. It didnt seem to adversely effect her volleys or overheads either. I believe the strung weight is 320 which is way heavier than the aero pro team she used to use before the Wilson. He suggested doing a cross string with natural gut and the Hurricane at the lower end of the tension range.
    What do you think ? It is of course much stiffer than you suggested and she is certainly going to feel special playing with it so there may be a placebo effect !
    Out of all the questions you asked I think she should step up from a 1 size to a 2 size grip ( in fact she played with a 3 today but that may be 1 step too far.
     
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    yes 2 is better especially if she uses an overgrip, the french open aero is not as nice as the new 2013 aero though, not sure about NG cross, do not like it. if you insist NG go with 18g if you can find it
     
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    Do not use Pro Hurricane Tour. Look at Pro Hurricane 17 - much softer string.
     
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    Just 1 more question on this PT ( no more I promise ! ) i ran TW racquet finder search using your suggested criteria and the only racquet that checked nearly all the boxes is the Head Radical Microgel. Since I know this is also highly recommended as being arm friendly I wonder what you think of it. It is also very inexpensive at $90 which I guess means it is being discontinued. It will need a restring since it comes with Head Sonic Pro.
    Thanks for your advice on this. Kids will be kids and I can already tell that she would be happy to show off an Aeropro French open even if the new Aeropro is a little better !
     
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    Thank you Klu for that. I will take your advice
     
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    The head microgel radical mp is 18X20 use very thin string to get more pop, the sonic pro that comes with it is not bad, try it out and then cut it out, I also like the microgel extreme mp
     
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    Wow ! I just tried out a Head Microgel Radical MP myself and on EVERY shot there was excess vibration and some pain in the wrist. And I dont even have wrist problems. There is no way I can let my daughter play with it right now . It may be great for tennis elbow and other arm problems but for a wrist problem ... I dont think so .
    Anyway she had a clear MRI scan so she is starting to get used to the Aeropro French Open and says it feels better though she still has some pain on impact with forehand volleys. She did until less than a year ago play with the Areopro Team and before that the aeropro lite and she never used to have wrist problems so I guess this racquet is a natural progression for her . The physical therapist says the volley issue will soon disappear as everything else has. If it doesnt then she will have to rest it again ... Fitness only until it is 100 %
    For now we have strung it with Klip Legend and Hurricane 17 loose at 52. If the racquet is lacking in control for her we can do a higher tension once her wrist is 100 %.
    PT i hope we are on the right track ?
     
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    Try Wilson Shockshield grip
     
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    I have a feeling her racket is not the major cause for her wrist pain. She might have a weak wrist and would need to strengthen her wrist with tubes or weights. Or her mechanics is not completely ideal. You may want to have another coach look at her mechanics when she volleys.

    My son was complaining about pain in his wrist when he volleyed last summer. No wrist pain when he did everything else on the court. His coaches never said anything about his volley mechanics for years! So, I started my own investigation. This was what I found - when he volleyed, his racket and his forearm was forming an angle around 150 degrees. When I looked at pros in slow motion, the angle between the racket and forearm is usually maintained and it is rarely over 120 degrees. The wrist would be less stressed when volleying heavy passing shots if the racket is held more naturally. After he corrected the mechanics, his wrist paint disappeared and moreover, he could hit volley with more control and penetration. BTW quick feet, proper court positioning, and good anticipation would also minimize the situations that one has to stretch out to volley passing shots when the wrist is mostly stressed. Just hope it helps:)
     
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    Danny give her some time off til the wrist is not hurting then start with a light weightlifing program then slowly increase it to and intense level but keep the weights lite and this will more then likely get rid of te problem , best to you and your girl
     
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    Good advice Number 1 she has rested it a few times and it seemed to be better but it is worth doing it again. She will get super fit in the meantime with all the fitness and strength training while she is not hitting !! But do you think that if it has come down now to only hurting her on forehand volleys ( before it hurt her on everything except backhand ) there is any harm in her practicing her other strokes where she has no pain ? But no matches only working with her coach ? I dont mind her only doing fitness but she will !
     
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    Agreed. Her issue is more poor footwork than technique. It's pretty clear that when she is lazy with footwork in practice she can be late with her strokes. Don't really know a quick fix answer , her coach gives her movement drills every day . So all we can do is keep her working on that and give her the best racquet protection we can and keep her doing strength training for her wrist and the rest of her body.
    The issue is a little different from your son because it was at first pain on forehand, serve , forehand volleys and overheads. Now it is down to forehand volleys only so it's clearly getting better. But I agree that a combination of sloppy footwork and growing too quickly without enough strength training may be more responsible than the racquet. But if she plays with a racquet that is too light for her that doesn't help and the grip size was too small for her.
    We have rectified the racquet side so now its up to her to work on her feet !
     
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    what grip size ? is it for you or for her? cut out string and try gosen 18 at 40lbs, heck just buy a PT630 :) in the mean time, try kinesio tape around her wrist also do light strength by squeezing beanbag or putty/clay, gyro/power ball, adjustable foam clamp, gristick etc....
     
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    No the racquet was supposed to be for her but I wanted to try it out before giving it to her. Having done that ( it is a grip size 2 ) I wont give it to her and haven't decided what to do with it. Think I'll stick with my Prince black !
    She seems basically ok with the Aeropro though she had me tearing my hair out when she told me that now her wrist is a lot better she wants to go back to her prostaff 100 !
     
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    Does she have a few similar Head Microgel Radical MP rackets and did you try more than one? One of them may have developed a micro crack that you cannot see. Take a small hammer and hit the strings gently while holding the rackets and see if you can feel the difference. Take the dampener off when doing the test. I just sent a racket like that back to the manufacturer.
     
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    First- rest that wrist for a long period. If the pain comes back at all then STOP playing. It will only get worse if you continue to play with a sore wrist.
    I just read Number1Coach reply. I agree. Plus I would also really take a good look at technique. Something simple may be the issue. Start from square one with a different teaching pro to look at her technique. Main thing is to rest the injured part longer than you think it needs rested. If you rush it then you are just re-injuring the site. It may take months to get it to stop hurting. See a sports trainer to get some exercises to help strengthen that area , all areas actually.
    I had a wrist injury and it took a year to recover from it. Wrist splint at night. Finally it stopped hurting. I tried playing once with the pain and I could not hold the racquet tight enough on certain shots it hurt so badly, because I kept trying to play over and over again when it hurt.
    Good luck to your child with getting rid of the pain.
     
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    no time to rest, her wrist is fine with the Aero and wants to go back to wilson, I say hit the courts,

     
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    Hi all!
    Following this board for more than 3 years, this thread triggered me to write my first post.

    I also have a daughter, 12 years old, with wristproblems. As far as I know, the stressed ligament(s) in the wrist (often the cause with wrist issues for girls aged 10-16), cannot be healed by other treatment than rest.
    Any different opinions?
     
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    I am grateful for the advice you have given but this kind of sarcastic, cheap points scoring comment to presumably either make me out to be some kind of bullying tennis parent forcing their child to play in pain or to make yourself look clever is not necessary .
    Throughout this process she has been to see her doctor and her physical therapist who specializes in tennis injuries .She has had treatment on it using the latest equipment several times each week and of course the treatment includes checking out the injury physically " does this hurt, does that hurt ? " . Just to top it up she has had acupuncture on it and now the wrist is not hurting injury prevention and wrist strengthening has begun. She has also been for 2 MRI scans.
    With all due respect to the people on here most of who I know mean well I will take the advice of the medical experts as to whether she can play over anyone who has not even seen the injury
    Likewise with the technique she has seen more than 1 coach and I have already said the issue has been diagnosed as footwork related rather than stroke related. This makes her late hitting the ball on occasions.
    She has as her primary coach someone who is vastly experienced , has worked with countless players from juniors to top 10 pro players and was a highly ranked player himself.
    As far as stringing is concerned I was referred last week to someone here in Florida that is a renowned stringer , again having worked for players at all levels.
    I came on here asking for racquet and stringing advice. I don't need to be lectured about the medical issues because I have that covered. If my daughter needed 6 months rest if that is what the medical experts had advised , that is what she would be doing right now.
    I am not going to name names because of the professional confidentiality issue but if anyone is interested to find out more detail of who and when she has been seeing then please send me a private message.
    In the meantime this is just to set the record straight.
     
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    This is almost always the problem at any age and level.
     
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    I don't know if this help, but my son, advanced junior player, had wrist issue last year (he was 12). We went through a few racquets and also medical treatments. Finally we got referred to Paul Ness, who is an official trainer for the ATP (if you watched the 2013 AusOpen final he was the trainer who worked on Murray foot blisters) within minutes he figured out what the issue was and gave my sons some exercise and the problem went away. The diag was that my son probably felt down at some stage and hurt his wrist and some specialized physio works was all that needed.

    The point I am trying to get across is, if you haven't already, to get her to see a specialized tennis physio/trainer. Given she has good technique it is highly likely she has some injury that may be not caused by tennis.
     
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    Thank you HMD that is good advice. In fact she has been seeing a physical therapist who is also a long time tennis trainer. I agree though 100 % with what you say and I'm glad it worked for your son.
    Hopefully you weren't portrayed as an abusive parent by Pro Tour 630 when you got your son back on the court !!
     
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    you came for racquet advice and we gave it to you, and the whole discussion has turned 360 a dozen times, LIKE I SAID , HIT THE COURTS, SHE IS FINE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you are not :oops:
     
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    Thats another highly intelligent comment . So what if you gave advice about using the PD racket 2 years ago and we went in a different direction ?
    Your sarcastic comment about hit the courts is borne out of ignorance as to what medical advice and treatment she has been receiving . Unfortunately much as you see yourself as the purveyor of all wisdom I prefer to stick with the advice of the medical experts she has been seeing. Even if it is different from someone who has never seen the injury.
     
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    make up your mind

    not as high as you coming in here disguising her as a younger boy. Do you really think that we are that unintelligent:confused: LOL!!!!! DT you do not know what you want that is your problem, you will take her to a dozen different doctors and get a dozen different responses, try dozen different sticks and dozen different string combo, several MRI, accupuncture, $400 per hour coaches that can not make your girl move her feet etc,,,,,,, We gave you more than a dozen different solutions and came to the conclusion, Either rest her for a long period or HIT THE COURT !!!!!!! It seems you do not want to rest her, she has been cleared by her doctors that you trust, heck she even said she was fine, SO THERE IS ONLY ONE ANSWER LEFT. stop going around in circles and circles, geeze

    I see,,,,,,,,,,,, I told you two years ago to go with PD and you went AERO ALA NADAL and now you are regretting it with wrist injury, see i was right, there, happy !!!!!! I can not believe you think like this.
     
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    here you are going around in circles

    6 months ago you posted you were looking for advice for a 12 year old girl

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=438733

    then 6 months later, it was for an 11 year old boy ?

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=453252



    why all the sneakiness ? do you have something to hide:confused: from your kneejerk response to me, it does seem like you are hiding something, I never accused you of being an abusive parent, you did that all on your owen !!!!! I really meant that you hit the court, no sarcasm there whatsoever.
     
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    Let me try to answer without falling into a war of words with you.

    First the reason for having an on line " alias " is to have some element of confidentaility otherwise everyone would just sign in under their own name. When it comes to children , especially that confidentiality needs protection. Of course tennis is a small world and many may nevertheless know who you are or who I am. If I did I wouldn't broadcast it to everyone on here. Talking about a child it is possible to be over protective and that is probably what I did here by talking of an 11 year old boy. It didn't really affect the essence of the advice I was looking for.

    The injury was not caused by the choice of racquet. I already know how the injury occurred because I was there and saw what happened. Having said that I was asking for some advice as to wrist friendly racquets and strings. It was not caused by not using the Pro Drive and using the Aero Pro instead. In fact at the time of the injury she was using the pro staff. That wasn't what caused it either.

    I make no apologies for doing the best I can for my daughter both in terms of medical care and coaching. And indeed in choice of technology. Whatever coaches a child uses there is always something they need to improve whether that is forehand, serve or footwork. It doesn't mean the coach is not doing their job, or that the child is a poor player. Improvement comes gradually not overnight which you know as a coach.

    If you say your comment that " no time to rest, hit the courts " etc was not being sarcastic then so be it.

    Thanks for your advice, I appreciate it. And I'm not being sarcastic.
     
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    By the way Pro Tour this is not really the correct thread to raise this but since we are in dialogue I also want to mention that I agree absolutely with1 of your threads that Babolat running a marketing campaign portraying tennis racquets hld by its stars as guns and rifles was inappropriate especially in view of the tragic events in Connecticut. The tread ended up being closed for being too political which was unfortunate.
    I don't know if you share my concerns that not only is security in many schools too lax and there is complacency that these things can never happen to their school but at junior tennis tournaments there is virtually no security or even guidelines on these issues. often I see parents of young kids being dropped off at 8 am at a tournament and left there all day with no supervision. Kids are often spoken too by other adults they do not know and in a large event with a lot of people who knows if they are parents or something else ?
    Of course we pray that nothing bad ever happens at a tennis event but it took the attack on Monica Seles to Get protection for even pro players. Junior players actually need it more.
    Or maybe I'm the only one who has these concerns ?
     
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    Danny i know ProTour and i promise he wasnt being sarcastic. He is a great guy that only wants to help other people. I think you took it the wrong way. Pro Tour only tries to help.
     
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    thanks bro, we are all passionate parents, no problem.
     
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    agree,,,,,,,,,,,
     
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    Thank you GA . Well maybe I overreacted , we all get a little defensive about our kids.
    From my side its forgotten and if I misunderstood PT's meaning then I apologize.
     
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    No problem, we are here for each other, let us know how she does,,,,,,,, and do not post alias,,,,,,,,,, we are one big crazy family, we have to stick to each other.:)
     
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    no need, you care for your kid and thats what matters,
     
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    Maybe we should start a separate thread about the tournament security issue. It is a concern for me
     
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    you mean your academy :cry: my academy 4 kids :oops: fell apart several times, usually the parent is psycho, junior is a whiner, or sometimes parent/junior are impatient and want results now and move. The worst like I said is when the parent thinks they have outgrown the group and leave only to find out that some of the players in the group are doing much better than the kid that left. I am not admitting players into my group anymore. You have to find the right combination of you getting along with parent ( same philosophy ) and junior is well rounded and respects others. I would like to add financial means as well I know it is hard. i have a super talented kid with great parents but no money. I took this kid in for several years for free when he was five but in the end it takes money. I might change my mind on that freak talented kid and bring him back into the group even if it is going to cost me (picking him up and dropping him off daily) equipment gear etc..... in the end he has to pay for USTA and travel, I am not sure I can carry another kid, I already have two going through this USTA process
     
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