Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Federer20042006, Apr 8, 2014.
Wow, I don't see you often..
Thanks but your list is not applicable to subject as well.
But if he were healthy he would arguably outclass Roger at 33, 35...
Lol keep dreaming. Haas was as healthy as he could be in 2012 considering past injuries and he was no where close to #4 in the world e.g. At a similar age to Roger now.
Well put and oh so true Bobby. Unfortuately, the Fed fanboys don't realize the pleasure in seeing tennis' "big picture" and that to do so would allow them to appreciate Federer's accomplishments in a more broader sense. Instead, they circle the wagons, put a wall around Federer and mount their "Wikipedia/Google" defense of his legacy ..... for the sole purpose of saying "MY favorite pro is better than anybody."
Speaking of Pancho Gonzalez, I don't think any one of them could tell you how many 'hands' Pancho Segura needed to hit his "pretty good" forehand : )
Federer's 1hbh is the most beautiful shot ever. Too bad it gets destroyed by Nadal's brutish assaults.
Lleyton, my bad. I never watched Robert play.
NatF, Federer was 31, Haas was 34 and injured. Tommy beat Federer at Halle
Wait until Roger will be 36...
Dedans Penthouse, I'm surprised to get good support even in the GPPD forum when critisizing Federer fans. Thanks a lot!
Yes, I think many youngsters use to google in Wikipedia searching information about their idol (mostly Federer) and don't bother to get information about Tilden, Gonzalez or Rosewall. In another thread someone asked Who the hell is Budge?
The few who know Pancho Segura at all would believe he played a double-handed backhand...
By the way, some experts rank Segura's forehand the all-time greatest. I tend to agree.
Pancho Segura at 93 is still alive (But in a wheelchair). He is unique for reaching his peak as late as 1950 when he was already 29. But Little Pancho was a top player till 1962 when being 41. Even in 1966 he managed to beat Ken Rosewall in a pro tournament...
Rubens, I think that Peter Paul Rubens would have painted rather Rosewall's backhand...;-)
Bobby, just out of curiosity, do you ever feel a sense of kinship with Roger Federer because unlike every other male all time great he is a native German speaker, like yourself? His first language is German, Swiss German to be exact! I know you favor Rosewall over him of course, but I was just wondering if you were partial to German speaking players.
Golden, That "Robert" was known as Bob, one of the all-time great doubles players but still rather tough in singles. No relationship with Lleyton.
Did you know that there was a Grant Golden from the USA in the 1950s? He won at least seven tournaments. Don't know if he is still alive (born in 1929).
President, Interesting question. I never felt a sense of kinship with Roger. I respect him as a great player with an aesthetically game and as a nice person.
Swiss German is difficult to understand for a German or Austrian. By the way Swiss German is more related to English than German is. F. i. the Swiss say sometimes similary words to English words: for the term "I said" they say "Ich said" whereas a German or Austrian would say "Ich sagte". I stongly believe that the reason for that little difference is caused by the fact that the Swiss people always lived in a mountainous landscape where old languages can survive longer than in flat countries or in metropoles. The OLD German was very similar to the OLD English but 500 years ago (Martin Luther) the German language changed significantly and went away from English...
I would contradict that Federer is the only German speaking all-time great.
There also were Froitzheim, von Cramm and Nüsslein from Germany and of course Becker and Stich (we both almost forgot them) plus Muster from Austria. Hope that D.Thiem will become an all-time great one day...
By the way, when Peter Feigl played against Rosewall in late 1978 at the AO I worried for a Rosewall win (alas, Muscles lost his last match at the AO in a long five-setter after leading 6-2, 6-2). Years later I met Feigl in Vienna and he said it was his greatest win (became No.35 by that victory).
I never was partial to German speaking players, just a bit partial to fellow Austrians like Kary, Feigl, Muster, Skoff, Antonitsch, Melzer.
You might not know that most Austrians dislike German and Swiss sportsmen and -women. I don't know exactly why...
By the way , I envy Switzerland to be a free country (not member of the European Union) and to practice "Direct Democracy" which means that every year Swiss people have got the right to express about 3 times their opinions and wishes in plebiscites, even about non-p.c.-matters. That's almost unique in the world! In Austria and elsewhere we can vote for a party and wait four or five years if "our" candidates will make a good policy (or not...).
Serve - Becker
Forehand - Federer, Graf
1hbh - Edberg (watch vid of him and Fed practicing) Slice - Federer
Fh volley - Becker
Bh volley - Edberg
Overhead smash - Sampras
Interesting and educational response Bobby. By all time great, I meant of course top 10 all time, of which I believe Federer is clearly the only German speaking male player. Thanks for that post!
Id say most of Haas's shots are quite good looking. His serve is one of my favs to watch.
He's a good all-court player.
Tommy wasn't injured at Halle. Federer won Wimbledon 3 weeks later. Which is clearly more important. In 3 years time I imagine Federer could still be top 10.
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