Best Shots of All Time (A Different Take)

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  1. JMcQ

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    The "who has the best shots of all time" list has been done ad nauseum on these threads. So I thought I would try it from a different approach. What are the greatest strokes of all time from players that were NEVER ranked #1 in the world?

    Serve: Raonic
    Forehand: ?
    Backhand: David Nalbandian
    Volley: Pat Cash
    Serve Return: Andy Murray?
    Footwork: ?
    Speed: Michael Chang
     
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  2. Rock Strongo

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    Well... Ivanisevic was never a no.1... Same goes with Krajicek, Philippoussis and Joachim Johansson. I'd say Goran currently still has the best serve of a non-#1.
     
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  3. Mighty Matteo

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    forehand: fernando gonzales
     
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  4. wilkinru

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    Gonzo forehand?
     
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  5. TennisA

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    Footwork : Davydenko or Ferrer
    Could go with speed for either, too
     
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  6. roberttennis54

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    I am only judging players I have seen in the last 20 years or so.
    Serve=Karlovic
    Volley=Henman
    Backhand=Nalbandian
    Speed=Monfils.
    Forehand=Gonzalez
    Return-Murray
     
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  7. PhrygianDominant

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    Serve-Sampras
    Return of Serve-Djokovic
    Forehand-Gonzalez
    Backhand-Agassi
    Volleys-Rafter
    Movement-Federer
     
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  8. Rock Strongo

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    OP. Read it.
     
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  9. okdude1992

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    way to contribute to the thread... fail
    my list with only current or recent players


    Serve-karlovic
    Return of Serve-murray
    Forehand-gonzalez
    Backhand-gasquet
    Volleys-henman
    Movement-monfils
     
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  10. Federer20042006

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    Serve - Karlovic
    Forehand - Gonzo
    Backhand - Nalbandian
    Volleys - Henman
    Return of Serve - Murray
    Movement - Murray
     
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  11. PhrygianDominant

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    *drunk posting...sorry about that.

    REVISED list

    Serve-Isner
    Return of Serve-Murray
    Forehand-Gonzalez
    Backhand-Nalbandian
    Volleys-Henman? This is a tough one
    Movement-Michael Chang
     
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  12. akv89

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    Serve: Ivo Karlovic (best serve regardless of ranking)
    Forehand: Fernando Gonzalez
    Backhand: David Nalbandian
    Volley: Tim Henman
    Serve Return: Andy Murray
    Footwork: Miroslav Mecir
    Speed: Gael Monfils
     
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  13. kiki

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    I don´t belong to your age bracket, so I will go wkith Rosewall´s backhand, just for a change
     
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  14. Babolatbarry

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    Serve: Isner
    Forehand: Gonzalez/Isner
    Backhand: Nalby/Gasquet
    Volley: Henman
    Serve Return: Murray
    Footwork: Ferrer
    Speed: Monfils (just a bad a.s.s athlete)
     
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  15. jhhachamp

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    Serve is undoubtedly Karlovic, he has the best serve of anyone in tennis history. The rest of your list looks pretty good.
     
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  16. 90's Clay

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    All time?


    1st serve-Pancho
    2nd serve-Sampras
    FH-Sampras or Federer
    BH-Agassi or Kafelnikov or Nalbandian
    Volley-Edberg
    Mental Toughness-Sampras or Nadal
    Speed-Chang or Borg
    Footwork-Maybe Federer I guess. Borg has a case as well as does Laver
     
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  17. JMcQ

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    I can't believe I forgot Goran and Karlovic. Major FAIL on my side. Between Goran, Karlovic, and Raonic, I have to give the edge to Goran. In addition to the speed of his serve, you add the lefty spin AND his quick motion...so tough to return.
     
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  18. forzamilan90

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    read OP...requirement was not to be ranked #1, he even underlined that part
     
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  19. JMcQ

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    I like this list, although I would trade Goran for Karlovic. Henman was such a great volleyer. I do consider "movement" different from footwork. For example, Murray has unbelievable speed and good footwork; however, he sometimes gets lazy feet when balls are played down the middle. Federer, on the other hand, has great speed and preternatural footwork. It is rare to see Fed's feet out of position (although Murray can get to some balls Federer can't).
     
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  20. forzamilan90

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    This is my take on this

    Serve: Ivo Karlovic
    Forehand: Juan Martin Del Potro
    Backhand: David Nalbandian
    Volley: Pat Cash
    Serve Return: Andy Murray
    Footwork: Andy Murray
    Speed: Gael Monfils
     
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  21. jhhachamp

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    Have you watched Karlovic try to play? The rest of his game is so bad...if you replaced his serve with Tommy Robredo's serve he would not be in the top 1000. I saw him up close practicing at Indian Wells this year, and he could not sustain a rally when he was forced to move. Sure, he can hit some big forehand winners, but he also can't hit more than 5 balls in a row in the court, even when pushing the ball back.

    I would take Karlovic over Goran and I really don't think it is even all that close. Karlovic gets just as much speed and spin on the ball, but has the advantage of hitting the ball from a much higher point creating a much greater margin of error and completely different bounce.
     
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  22. roundiesee

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    Don't forget Wayne Arthurs; that wicked lefty serve is one of the best I have ever seen.
     
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  23. jaggy

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    Arthurs for serve
     
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  24. downdaline

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    Here's my take. I prefer Berdych for the forehand over Gonzo.

    Serve: Raonic
    Forehand: Berdych (clean hitting and technically sound)
    Backhand: Almagro (powerful and reliable 1hbh)
    Volley: Llodra
    Serve Return: Nalbandian
    Footwork: Ferrer
    Speed: Ferrer
     
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  25. tennisplayer1993

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    Serve: Goran (with today's racket technology, i think he would be hitting high 140s/low 150s very often)
    Forehand: James Blake (just due to sheer pace of the ball)
    Backhand: David Nalbandian
    Volley: Definitely Henman, I loved him. His touch around net was great.
    Serve Return: Andy Murray
    Footwork:Nalbandian (in his early days 2003-2006), his footwork was phenomenal
    Speed: Gael Monfils
     
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  26. PeteD

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    When it went in it was great
     
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    Just want to be clear that racquet technology does NOT increase RHS per say. In saying that, it won't increase your serve speed. Sampras and Agassi essentially were in both era's and they serve the same the entire time.

    Serve: If you get the height with it, Karlovic. If not then Raonic is way more efficient and has a way better 2nd.
    Forehand: Del Potro
    Backhand: Davydenko in Prime
    Return: Murray
    Volley: Henman
    Footwork: Murray
    Speed/Movement: Ferrer
     
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  28. heninfan99

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    Sorry guys. Corrected. Massive fail.

    Serve: Goran
    Forehand: Solderling
    Backhand: 2 way tie: Gasquet/Nalby
    Volley: Gasquet
    Serve Return: Nalbandian
    Footwork: Ferrer
    Speed: Rock Strongo
     
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  29. Rock Strongo

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    The lack of reading skills is surprising.
     
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  30. AnotherTennisProdigy

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    No players that were ranked #1 in the world. Cmon guys, read the OP.

    Serve: Raonic
    Forehand: Gonzalez
    Backhand: Nalbandian
    Return: Murray
    Volley: Henman
    Footwork: Ferrer
    Speed: Blake
     
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    Serve: Ivanisevic
    Forehand: Gonzo
    Backhand: Nalbandian
    Volley: Henman
    Serve return: Murray
    Footwork: Ferrer
    Speed: Coria
     
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  32. Federer20042006

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    The newer guns are what have increased serve speed. Serves that registered 125-130 in the past are registered 135-140 these days.
     
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  33. TheFifthSet

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    1. Re-read OP
    2. Anyone who thinks Sampras has the best FH of all time . . .


    Anyways

    Serve - Karlovic
    FH - Delpo or Arias
    BH - Nalby
    Volley - Roche
    Mental toughness - Chang ? Too tough to tell no one really come to mind off the top of my head
    Speed - Too tough to tell as well. Monfils, Chang, Blake all had wheels but the one with the most raw speed (i.e not movement just speed) is difficult to determine. Could be anyone, even a lowly ranked player nobody has ever heard of :p
    Footwork - Mecir or Stich
     
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  34. pc1

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    Serve-Lots of picks here
    Goran Ivanisevic
    Roscoe Tanner
    Yannick Noah
    John Doeq-They said this guy won the US Nationals (same as US Open today) on serve alone. They said you never broke him, you just waited until he got tired.

    Push comes to shove I'll go with Goran.
    Backhand
    Frank Kovacs
    Guillermo Vilas (Unless people consider him number one in 1977)
    Nalbanian
    Andy Murray

    The Kovacs backhand is almost legendary in tennis history. He used to say jokingly with Don Budge, who was often considered to have the best backhand in history "How's the world's second best backhand?" I'll go with Kovacs.

    Forehand
    Easy choice
    Pancho Segura-His forehand has been considered not just the best forehand in history but the best single shot in history. He may not be a pick since some can argue he was number one (perhaps) in the pros. But since he was never officially the world champ I'll put him here. Vines and Jack Kramer called his forehand the best shot in tennis history. They said any groundstroke that you hit to him that was around mid court would be put away. Laver played an old Segura and called it the best forehand he faced.

    Ken Fletcher-Some thought he had the best forehand in tennis in his day.
    Andres Gimeno

    Backhand volley
    Tony Roche
    Forehand Volley
    Budge Patty

    General volley
    Tony Roche

    Overhead
    Yannick Noah

    Service return
    Andy Murray
    Frank Kovacs

    Murray's return stats are incredible and I believe in his career they are better or at least comparable to Djokovic who people are calling (I think prematurely)the greatest returner of all time. I guess I'll go with Murray. I think Coria has perhaps the best career percentage of breaking serve stats in history however.
    Speed and mobility
    Michael Chang
    Andy Murray

    Touch
    Manuel Orantes

    Some of these shots may be better than the shots of former number ones.
     
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