Best string hybrid

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  1. hyperion99

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    What is the best string hybrid for playability?
    Gut on the mains and poly on the crosses or poly on the mains and gut on the crosses?

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  2. AR15

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    Depends on what kind of playability you want. General rule: Poly mains = less power, more spin. Gut mains = more power, less spin.
     
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  3. Irvin

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    That would depend on whether you ask Federer (gut mains poly crosses) or Murray (poly mains gut crosses.)
     
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  4. Roger Wawrinka

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    Well, you do get more out of the gut by putting it on the mains so that's what I would do.
     
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  5. fortun8son

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    There must be a bazillion posts about this in the Strings Forum.
    You will find lovers and haters for any string and/or combo.
     
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  6. hyperion99

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    Thanks for the feedback.
    My next question is do you have more feel (softer hit on impact) if you put gut on the mains and poly on the crosses?

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  7. darklore009

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    you'll get lots of feel if you put gut in the main. if you put the poly in the mains, mostly poly feeling
     
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  8. Irvin

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    have you checked out the thread about the Lendl pattern? There you have poly mains and crosses in the center and gut around the outside.
     
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  9. 10SDad

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    My son has been playing Klip Legend 17 ga. gut in the mains and Pro Hurricane Tour 17 ga. poly in the crosses of his original Babolat Pure Storm Teams for more than 7 years. I started putting gut mains in for him after he developed tendinitis in his rotator cuff. He has had much success over the years in USTA, high school, and now at an NAIA college using this combo. He does not hit with the extreme topspin you see a lot of juniors exhibiting today, so he doesn't need or benefit from poly mains. (In fact when we've tried switching to poly mains and gut crosses, it was such a difference that he hated it.) He gets a lot of controllable power with the ability to uncork winners from the baseline on-demand. Also gives him additional touch when needed for drop-shots and net play. It has worked so well for him that my daughter switched from a full bed of NXT to Klip 17/Solinco Outlast 17 for the last two years of her college career. I've even used it a few times myself. I am prone to TE and the gut mains really help with comfort. I have found that the characteristics of the mains determine in large-part how the stringbed will play, and nothing plays quite like gut. Personally, I believe that unless you have money to burn, you are not maximizing the playing characterstics of gut by putting it into just the crosses. Four of the features of hybridding this way are 1) You get gut playability but split your cost between two racquets/two stringings. 2) Gut holds its tension a lot longer, so it helps extend the life of the overall stringbed/poly. 3) Gut is very durable, and my experience is that it lasts longer than a lot of synthetics/multis I've tried. 4) You don't have to weave the gut when it is in the mains. Two examples: My son can hit the ball as hard as anyone I know. He is not a big string breaker, yet when he does break a string it is almost always the poly, not the gut. (Remember, he is a flatter hitter.) Also, my daughter used to break the NXT within a week of playing. Since she switched to the gut/poly combo, she has not broken a single string. Both of my kids occasionally have their coaches cut out the bed and restring to keep things fresh. In my daughter's case, while the initial cost of the gut is higher the fact that she is not breaking it means an overall lower cost for the school than the NXT she was previously going through.

    All that to say, I recommend Gut Mains/Poly Crosses. (For both of my kids I drop the poly tension by 4 lbs.)
     
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    mods please move this thread to the 'strings' forum. OP will get solid feedback there rather than in the in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' although I can understand why they might post here given the forum title.
     
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  11. hyperion99

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    Thanks for the information 10sdad.
    My thoughts exactly about the gut on the mains.
    How does the tension hold on Klip Gut?

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  12. struggle

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    good to know you were able to form an opinion over the last day of interweb postings.
    LMAO.

    i'd go with gut in the mains too.
     
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  13. hyperion99

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    Tbuggle, my post was not directed to you; spare us the cheezy remarks. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't.
     
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  14. 10SDad

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    In my experience, Klip holds its tension very, very well. My son was part of the Babolat Junior program the first year he used gut and so we had access to VS at a reasonable cost. Klip is slightly crisper than VS, but from a durability and tension standpoint Klip has been every bit as good for significantly less money. I've bought a LOT of Klip over the past 6 years and never had a bad experience with it. The one time I had breakage problems during stringing I discovered it was from a bad grommet. I think the popularity of Klip can be demonstrated by the fact that TW is out of it right now. That's the one thing you have to watch out for. Sometimes there are long lead times from Australia.
     
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  15. hyperion99

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    Thanks 10SDad
     
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    listen, dude. you ask a question and THEN act as if you already know what you like one day after doing so.
    please post up the hybrids you tried in the last day to form the opinion that you just asked about yesterday.

    additionally, this should be in the strings forum. not here.

    lastly, i DID say something constructive...."Gut in the mains, agreed".

    nothing cheezy was said, but obviously i'm the only one willing to do it.

    ok, enough said. good luck with you stringing endeavors.
     
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  17. hyperion99

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    BEEP!
    Tbuggle("dude", as you say) that was the sound of being put on the ignore list.
    Again, your comment has nothing to do with the facts.
     
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    See it gets moved, you just need to flag it so the Mods can move it.
     
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  19. Overdrive

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    I hate hybrid strings! :mad:

    Most of the Boris Becker racquets (including the London Tour, Melbourne, DC Legend, etc.) do not play well with a hybrid string setup.
     
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    Good explanation from experience
     
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  21. TimothyO

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    Federer (gut mains/poly crosses) generates more RPMs than Murray (poly mains/gut crosses) despite also using a smaller head than Murray.

    With gut/poly you do get more power but you also get "casually accessible" spin (ie spin that's generated even with a moderately decent stroke).

    Sometimes the gut mains' power can overwhelm the spin generated resulting in shots going long. This depends on the poly and frame specs (size, pattern, and SW). To tame the gut's power you need to do one or more of several things: pre-stretch the strings (either or both mains and crosses), up the tension, use a smaller head, use a tighter pattern, or drop the SW, and make sure the poly cross remains smooth (some polys dent horribly limiting spin potential). Federer pre-stretches BOTH the gut mains and the poly crosses 5% and uses a smaller head. Serena Williams pre-stretches the gut mains, strings at or above 60#, and uses a dense pattern.

    With my current frame 4G crosses generate too much power at my favorite tension of 58/52. 4G also dents a lot. Shots can easily fly long. With pre-stretched Focus Hex crosses I get more than enough spin to overcome the gut's power.
     
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  22. anubis

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    I found greatly reduced spin with gut mains/poly cross -- but that may have more to do with technique. Personally, I think that folks who hit with a lot of spin with gut/poly hybrids simply hit with tons of spin -- regardless of the strings. Give them 15 gauge tournament nylon and they'll still put massive RPMs on it.

    Remember: spin is mostly a product of technique as opposed to equipment.

    I prefer a smooth poly in the mains and a soft multi in the cross. It softens the string bed, gives me more power, yet still provides decent spin. True, you don't get a lot of string snap back, but it's inexpensive and comfortable.
     
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  23. Lack

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    Gut on the main, Poly on the cross gives better playability in my opinion.
     
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  24. TimothyO

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    I used to wonder about that too until I tried some deliberate and inadvertent experiments to test that theory.

    For example, last week I popped a string on one of my 315s and didn't have any Focus Hex on hand. Fearing the other frame would pop too before I could get more FH I had the frame restrung with 4G crosses while I await the Focus Hex.

    So now I have two matched 315s, one with gut/FH and the other with gut/4G, both strung at 58/52 by the same person on the same machine (she does an amazing job and I won't go to anyone else now.)

    The other night while playing with the 4G crosses I just couldn't keep anything in. Hitting with more RHS simply sent the ball long as I couldn't get enough spin. I switched to the frame with FH crosses and my shots started driving down into the court with far more spin. My hitting partner and I could see the difference in ball arc and curve when comparing 4G to Focus Hex. The Focus Hex was so confidence inspiring I felt like I could just swing out and the ball stayed in. With the 4G, while very accurate on flat shots, I just couldn't trust it on topspin shots.

    And as Lack points out, gut mains provide superior playability, especially on touch shots where feel is crucial (e.g. hitting a delicate short-short drop shot with back spin).

    All that doesn't mean that a person can't generate massive spin with full poly or poly/gut. Nadal proves that! :) But for we mere mortals I've found that gut/poly provides such casually accessible spin that one can generate it with ease, sort of like how "modern" stiff frames with large heads provide more power with less mass.
     
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