Best way to dampen?

Discussion in 'Strings' started by TheLambsheadrep, Apr 23, 2010.

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which is best a reducing vibration

  1. worm dampener

    19 vote(s)
    17.4%
  2. single standard dampener

    38 vote(s)
    34.9%
  3. rubber band

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    38.5%
  4. higher stringing tension

    3 vote(s)
    2.8%
  5. other

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    6.4%
  1. TheLambsheadrep

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    No matter what string I use, I like contact of the tennis ball to feel very crisp and make that nice pop sound. I try to get this feel by using worm dampeners, and they seem to do the trick. but is there another method that works better at drastically reducing vibration? please vote in the poll then explain in the forum. thanks


    oh, one more thing. I was demoing a Head Flexpoint Radical OS, and contact felt very soft and cushiony, kinda the opposite of what I described I like. Except, I kinda did like it. how would you get a racket to feel like this?
     
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  2. Orion

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    Rubber bands do it for me. They take the "pingy" sound out of the stringbed.

    I liked the Head UltraTour string that Head pre-strung the Agassi LE Tour with. Maybe someone can chime in on what demo string Head uses. Their strings are serviceable but you'll be hard-pressed to upgrade and start experimenting with hybrids. That being said, I still use prefer UltraTour in the Agassi LE.
     
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  3. pvaudio

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    #64 rubber band on the center mains. Nothing else better for the money or the performance.
     
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  4. spectrablue

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    Rubber band is the best. Cheap but very effective.
     
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  5. SpinDog

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    I haven't found anything better than a #64 RB
     
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  6. Sizz

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    Prince "The Silencer" hands down for these reasons:

    1. $2.50
    2. Will never break because it's solid rubber, no plastic hooks or liquid goop to ooze out.
    3. O ring ends hold it in place between cross&main junctions. This keeps it in place and rarely pops out. Had one side pop off 2 times over the last 4 years. Even then it stays in place because it's woven in the strings.
    4. Dampens well with minimal weight.
    4. Looks better than a rubberband.
     
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  7. Sizz

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    Forgot to mention, I'm not talking about the Prince NXG Silencer. That's a different design.
     
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  8. Marc C.

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    Just because it sounds crisp doesn't mean it's good shot. A good player can produce that pop sound with no dampener in his strings at all. Try playing with no dampener and focus on your game and you'll be hitting that "pop" soon enough.
     
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  9. MuscleWeave

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    When I use a full bed of PU milti, I don't need a vibration dampener. But I've switched to poly (hybrid or full, I haven't decided yet) in my AG200. I tie a rubber band in a rectangle around 4 mains and 2 bottom crosses. It's cheap, effective, and I like the old school, hardcore style.
     
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  10. David123

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    rubber band!
     
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  11. genius24

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    agreed! rubber band works best for me as well after all these years of trying diff things
     
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  12. TheLambsheadrep

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    does everyone mean a single rubber band over just the two strings like a standard dampener in the middle or stretched out like a worm dampener?
     
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  13. Booyah

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    A single rubber band over just the two strings works best for me.
     
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  14. TheLambsheadrep

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    anyone else want to comment on using a single rubber band over just the two strings like a standard dampener in the middle or stretched out like a worm dampener?

    also, anyone know about what I was asking in regards to the Head Radical Flexpoint OS feel?
     
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  15. pvaudio

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    A stretched out rubber band across the mains won't do anything for you. The center two mains are all that are necessary.
     
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  16. TheLambsheadrep

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    anyone know about what I was asking in regards to the Head Radical Flexpoint OS feel, how to make contact feel cushiony?
     
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  17. TheLambsheadrep

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    so people really think the single dampener is better at dampening than the worm dampener?
     
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  18. TheLambsheadrep

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    help please
     
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  19. Ambivalent

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    Gamma shockbuster worm is the best dampener.
     
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  20. TheLambsheadrep

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    really? I have one and to me, it doesnt compare with the Head Smartsorb. I've tried the two back to back on the same racket, def a diff feel. Also, I cant generate as much spin with the Gamma for some reason
     
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  21. TheLambsheadrep

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    and if you vote "other", please let me know what it is
     
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  22. LPShanet

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    I think your original post is a bit confusing to some. You state that you like a crisp feel and describe liking responsiveness. Then you say you like the worm, and want the most dampening. These things are contradictory. To most players, crisp and responsive would be the opposite of extreme dampening. After all, the feeback, response and touch are all factors of vibration. By reducing it, you also reduce the crispness and feedback. Maybe you meant to describe the worm as making the racquet feel "solid"? That would be easier to understand in terms of what it does.

    The worm is one of the most extreme dampeners in terms of reducing perceived vibration. (In reality, none of the dampeners reduce actual shock/vibration, which is why I used perceived.) There is nothing crisp or responsive about it. By contrast, something smaller, like a single ring or a rubber band, will be much crisper and offer more feedback on your shot, but won't stop the "ping" as much. Generally, size and string contact surface area will be a good indicator of how much vibration dampening you'll get, since these things are not magic. The real trick is going to be figuring out what you're really after. So to answer your question, no, a single dampener will not be better at dampening than the worm. But to many that is a good thing, as they would rather have the perceived feedback.
     
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  23. Guamanian G

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    A rubber band around two strings does the job!
     
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  24. TheLambsheadrep

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    Solid does seem like a better word, but i think the less vibration there is, due to the worm, the crisper it sounds. at a tourney my worm shock broke, and i had to switch to a standard dampener. it was more ping-y and contact felt less "taught." so i interpret the more taught contact feel as crisper, is that incorrect?
     
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  25. richw56

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    I experimented with different dampeners quite a bit last year, when I had a touch of tendonitis ('tennis elbow'). It seemed to me that the Forten worm was most effective at dampening vibration.
     
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  26. LPShanet

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    I suppose it's just semantics, but crisp is usually associated with sharpness, and the worm causes the sharp impact sound to become a lower, more thud-like sound. Crisp = biting into an apple. The worm is more like dropping the apple on the ground:)

    At any rate, I don't know of any dampener that reduces the ping sound more than the worm. It (and others that contact multiple strings) seems to dampen the most. But there are quite a few versions of the horizontal worm-type dampener. If you want to experiment with others that feel similar, look for others that are long, and intertwine with multiple strings. Most companies make one of that type, such as the Babolat IG System or RVS, the various Forten worms (there are a few versions), the Gamma shockbuster and shockbuster II, the Head Smartsorb, and Prince Silencer. Pretty sure Wilson makes one, too.
     
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  27. TheLambsheadrep

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    ok, what creates a "crisp" sound then?

    i meant crisp as in making a good pop sound from contact, like when hitting indoors. that sound alone makes me play better, i love that sound and so far the worm has been closest to allowing my hits to sound like that outside.
     
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  28. MuscleWeave

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    Ping
    Crack
    Pop
    Thud
     
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  29. lolitsanasian

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    I like the rubber bands, but I play in SoCal where it gets hot...
    Which means the rubber band heats up and it gets all messed up so yea...

    Just went back to logo dampeners
     
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  30. Tennis_Crazed

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    i usually use just a rubber band. is a #64 a special type of rubber band? Excuse my ignorance
     
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  31. TheLambsheadrep

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    ok, what creates a "crisp" sound then?

    i meant crisp as in making a good pop sound from contact, like when hitting indoors. that sound alone makes me play better, i love that sound and so far the worm has been closest to allowing my hits to sound like that outside.
     
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  32. SpinDog

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    If you intend to play USTA league tennis they specify that "these devices may only be placed outside the pattern of the crossed strings"
     
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  33. TheLambsheadrep

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    hey, i hit with a rubber banded racket today, and it felt more like what i was describing with the Flexpoint Radical OS, more cushy. it felt ok, but there was a ping, and i switched back to the racket with the worm grip and used that the rest of the time (about 15min w/rubber band, at least 1 hour with the worm).

    now, reviews for the Head Smartsorb worm grip, which I use, say that they plastic ends snap within a few months. that is not the case for me, and im assuming the breaking occurs only when contact between the plastic and the ball is made, right? theres no other reason why the ends would break?
     
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  34. TheLambsheadrep

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    any thoughts on my last post?
     
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  35. TheLambsheadrep

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    any thoughts?
     
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  36. SuperDuy

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    all I use is this cheap cheap dampener and it seems to work... it came with an overgrip.
     
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  37. TheLambsheadrep

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    do the people using rubber bands/standard dampeners still get the ping like i was getting?
     
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  38. TheLambsheadrep

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    help please
     
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  39. drakulie

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    If you want the loudest sound, don't use a dampener. Dampeners not only take away that "ping" you speak of, but also mute the sound.
     
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  40. TheLambsheadrep

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    is there a way to get the pop without the ping? haha, that just sounds funny
     
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  41. kato669

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    #64 is a size/class of rubber band in the US. If you go to an office supply store and ask for #64 rubber bands, they'll know exactly what you're looking for.
     
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  42. TheLambsheadrep

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    is there a way to get the pop without the ping?
     
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  43. Chris Rizutto

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    Sampras O's beeby.
     
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  44. drakulie

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    I don't use a dampener, and honestly, I don't hear the "ping". If you are hitting the ball square and fairly hard, that "pinging" sound isn't as magnified.
     
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  45. TheLambsheadrep

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    what racket do you use/tension/string?
     
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  46. Preston

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    Hot tub...
     
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  47. TheLambsheadrep

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    relevancy please
     
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  48. drakulie

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    KPS88, Microgel Prestige Mid, Youtek Prestige Pro.

    all strung at approx 63-65.

    current string, Black Magic
     
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  49. Preston

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    Just a joke man. Dampen, damp, to dampen myself I prefer a hot tub. Smile a little, it makes life better. :)

    I use the sampras circle dampeners. I don't know that they are the "best", but they stay on well and work to my satisfaction.
     
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  50. Applesauceman

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    I second the Prince Silencer. It's my favorite dampener.
     
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