Better serve- Ivanisevic or Roddick

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a-rod or goran

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  1. roddick

    27.5%
  2. ivanisevic

    72.5%
  1. TheFifthSet

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    One of the best servers of the 90's vs one of the best of this decade . . . who had the better serve?

    A little over 10 1/2 years before the poll closes -- vote quickly. :)
     
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  2. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    As much as I hate to say Roddick.
     
  3. OHBH

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    GORAN!!!!! that lefty edge
     
  4. Jonny S&V

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    When they are both playing out of their minds, Ivanisevic hands down, but Roddick for consistency's sake, and even then...
     
  5. President of Serve/Volley

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    Goran, but he double faults too much...

    When on, he can be downright scary.
     
  6. kishnabe

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    Even though Roddick serve is great, Ivanisevic is much better with how many more aces he can pull off. Ivanisevic is a Karlovic with a volley, a forehand and personality.
     
  7. TheFifthSet

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    One thing that surprised me is that Goran's % of service games won was always around 86-87% (according to statistics provided by another poster not long ago, can't remember who,) and I don't think it was ever higher than 89%, whereas Roddick is always around 90-93% . . . it leads me to believe that Roddick was the better day-in day-out server, Ivanisevic better when he was feeling it.

    IMO Karlovic's serve is better than either. Some of the most ridiculous angles I have EVER seen.
     
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  8. lawrence

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    Ivanisevic had the better server, but Roddick is far more consistent and has a more stable ground game to back it.

    And I agree with the above post^ Karlovic's server >>>>>
     
  9. Jonny S&V

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    2003-2005ish, I would agree with you.
     
  10. Datacipher

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    I've talked about these 2 before....I can never believe this is a question at all. Ivanisevic BY A MILE. It's not even close. I guarantee Roddick would agree. Speed goes to Roddick, but disguise, lefty spin, placement...those all go to Goran, and they are far more important, since Goran already has more than enough speed.

    Though I will note, Roddick has a better 1st serve percentage! That's it though...all I can give him.....
     
  11. helloworld

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    Ivanisevic by a light year!!! The real question is who has better serve - Ivanisevic or Karlovic???
     
  12. grafselesfan

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    I think a poll between Sampras, Ivanisevic, and Karlovic would be interesting. Roddick has a great serve, the 2nd best today probably, but still not in the league of those 3.
     
  13. Mustard

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    Goran Ivanisevic has the best first serve I've ever seen.
     
  14. vive le beau jeu !

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    goran of course !!! :D
    even roddick does agree:
    from: http://8.12.42.31/2001/jun/30/sports/sp-16913
     
  15. TheFifthSet

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    TBF, that was in 2001, and Goran was in the form of his life here.

    I find a bit strange that Goran is leading the poll by such a huge margin.
     
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    Agreed in full.
     
  17. matchmaker

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    IMO Ivanisevic, no doubt.
     
  18. Carsomyr

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    Goran. I think Roddick is more consistent, but I assume we're talking about actual serves that have landed in; I think the average top player will return a higher percentage of Roddick's serves if both of them landed 100 consecutive first serves in against that player - Roddick has more power, but the lefty spin and disguise make Goran's considerably more lethal.

    I still say Karlovic's is better, though - his enormous height and power more than make up for the weird spin and great disguise.
     
  19. AndrewD

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    I don't think that's much of a question either. Ivanisevic knew that he could win points with his groundstrokes, especially in the early part of his career, Karlovic knows he's behind the 8 ball as soon as the ball comes back. As a result, Ivanisevic played and served with greater freedom whereas Karlovic tightens up when he starts missing the first ball.
     
  20. NonP

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    Ivanisevic and Karlovic both have a better 1st serve than Sampras. Pete himself would acknowledge that. Where he has the edge is in his legendary 2nd serve, and phenomenal clutch on big points.

    And that's what I don't like about these types of comparisons, which all but assume a single shot or area can be separated from the player's overall game. But one can't really break down a player like this. When I say Pete is the best clutch server I've seen by far, I'm evaluating both his serve and mental strength. And if you happen to be a patented serve-and-volleyer, a little more topspin in place of sheer power may not be such a bad thing. And as the above poster noted, having more confidence in one's groundstrokes can and does affect his 1st-serve percentage. And so on.

    But yes, when it's hot Goran's and Ivo's 1st serve is virtually untouchable, more so than Sampras' (and Roddick's) own. (Of course their service game is a different matter altogether.) I don't think there's any question whose 2nd serve is the best of the three.

    P.S. Forgot to say who has the best 1st serve. I'd pick Goran's, for the reasons already stated by others above.
     
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    Helpless

    The reason is that at the time, players knew that if Goran was on, they really were just guessing where to return the serve. They were helpless in a way. Players like Sampras, Becker were highly nervous about the Goran serve. You don't get that feeling with Roddick. Players don't go on about how hopeless it is to get a service break against him (I know he is tough, but not anywhere as tough as Goran).
     
  22. Tomaz Bellucci

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    Goran, better serve doesn't mean faster
     
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    I believe Roddick was serving at a 75% clip on his first serves for the season. Quite impressive considering the pace he brings! However, Goran has that lefty edge.

    I still went with Andy.
     
  24. Ripper014

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    I would say Goran... it was much more deceptive and arguably more accurate ... Roddick is more about pure power. And the fact that Goran was left handed doesn't hurt either.
     
  25. shaysrebelII

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    I'd take Goran for most situations, but his double faulting bothers me. Roddick's second serve isn't an amazing weapon or anything, but I'll take its consistency any day.
     
  26. MarrratSafin

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    This one is close and I went with Roddick. However IMO no one beats Dr Ivo's serve!
     
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    I voted for Goran because not only did he have a great serve, he was lefty which helps him out a ton.
     
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    Roddick, though it's certainly close. Roddick has had a better career, of course.
     
  29. 35ft6

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    Roddick has a better second serve. But Goran has the better first serve. When it's on at least. Deciding factor was Goran's delivery simply looked better.
     
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    Incidentally, I watched the 1997 Dubai final last night between Goran and Thomas Muster, and the rallies in that match were quite brilliant. I've always felt that Goran's groundstrokes and return of serve were very underrated. Thomas made Goran run and run, and then run some more. Thomas talked up Goran in his post-match interview with David Mercer on court, saying he was a potential world number 1 and that he really hoped Goran would achieve his dream of winning Wimbledon.

    The next time they met was less than 2 months later on clay in the Davis Cup, where Goran pulled off a hugely surprising 5 set victory, handing Thomas his only singles loss on clay in Davis Cup competition.
     
  31. vive le beau jeu !

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    a huge clay win for goran, 6-7, 7-5, 6-7, 6-2, 7-5. :)
    i wish i saw that match...
     
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    Goran goran goran...
     

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