Big 10 Tennis

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  1. TopDawg

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    Illinois #1 seed, Ohio State #2, Minnesota #3 for the Big 10 Tourney.
     
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    they go by rankings i think
     
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    good question. OSU is not that good like the last seasons, i still think Illinois is not no.3 (also they should be 4 now after A&M s win yesterday and maybe even fall behind UVA soon )
    OSU is not Top8 and not Top10, but Top20 they are easily, level in college is falling of after 12 or 13

    and no doubts, Illinois is better this season as Ohio State (and OSU has this road loss to Tulsa...), but both losses were AT Illinois and a probable third loss in Big10s will be also AT Illinois...so Illinois would ve played all 3 matches at home vs OSU... (Illinois lost at Gopher and Gophers lost at Columbus...so...home advantage is a lot in Big10 this year)
     
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    Here is where you lose any case for objectivity. You say that A&M should be ranked ahead of Illinois, yet Illinois beat them in College Station, with Gosea missing.

    Also, only one of the Illinois-tOSU matches was at Illinois. The other one was on a neutral site during the Indoor Nationals.
     
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    I can foresee T A&M moving ahead of Illinois - they've been hot. In all likelihood, Illinois will end up a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA tourney, IMO.

    If A&M moves up to a 3 seed, wouldn't mind the Illini getting a 6 seed, assuming no early upsets.

    A lot of tennis between now and then, however.
     
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    it is not my objectivity...i just forecasted the new rankings, and A&M will be ahead of Illinois then to, i NOT think A&M is better, H2H Illinois beat them..so ...

    The National Indoors were in Chicago...something like hometown for Illinois (also it is not the same courts..i know)
     
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    3 Texas A&M 69.94 6
    4 Illinois 65.61 3


    A/M regular season is over, but 4 points more is a lot, Illinois plays Nwestern and the winner OSU/Minny. I not know, but will be tough even if they win out to overtake A/M . But wins vs both will be counted to their best 10 Wins, so it is still possibly to overtake them.
     
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    Illinois is a step ahead of the competition in the Big Ten this year. But you never know what Ty "I like winning" Tucker has up his sleeve. Should be good tennis from the semis on.
     
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    I'm sorry. I misread your post. I thought you had said that A/M was the better team, but you were actually just saying that they would be ranked ahead, which turned out to be true.

    I would say that it's hard to claim that Illinois is overrated when they beat two of the teams ranked ahead of them on the road. I would say that they are vulnerable in a couple spots (doubles and #6) and therefore have a slim margin of error against good teams. If someone like Vukic has a bad day (like against Minnesota) they can probably lose to just about any top-20 team. However, they stack up against anyone except maybe Oklahoma 1-5.

    The most disappointing thing about this year's Illinois team is that I thought depth would be a huge strength, with guys like Guignon, Page, and Bazarnik at the bottom of the line-up, but none of those guys have been reliable. There is no way that any of Illinois' experienced blue chip guys should be losing to Minnesota at #6.
     
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    Big 10 Tournament lineup notes for the contenders:

    Ohio St - Chris Diaz back at #1 with Torpegaard at 2.
    Illinois - Jared Hiltzik 1 and Farris Gosea 2, Guignon listed at 6 - Matsuya 9.
    Minnesota - Corwin 3, Weber 4
     
  11. Will Wilson

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    Actually minnesota ' s #6 played 4 last year and had a good record. He would stack up nicely against most 6s on good teams. Maybe Minnesota is better than you think.
     
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    when does the LIVE stream start ? and is it Indoors or outdoors ??
     
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    Froment's career singles record was 51-51, as listed in his bio at the beginning of the spring:

    2011-12 13-17
    2012-13 17-16
    2013-14 16-14
    2014-15 5-4

    He's not a scrub, but he hasn't exactly been a world-beater on the national-level.
     
  14. Will Wilson

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    Correct and most of those results playing #4 which is much different than 6
     
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    Tucker tryin to let Diaz lose at 1 and let the rest win it out, but Torpegaard also had big problems vs Boyer from Nebraska :shock:
     
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    Thanks for your correction, very nice from u :)
    i also must say sorry, that i not had in my mind the Illini beat Baylor on the road. i allways thought hm..a top3 team must beat nearly anybody, and then they lost to Duke and Minnesota and were swept at TCU (but that was after long texas road trip and Gosea not with the team). Illinois has a great team this season, but it seems anyone can beat anyone in the top10 this year (also u need a lot of extra level to beat Oklahoma) Baylor has 4 losses (how they can be 2 ? :) Well if they lose 3 times to Oklahoma and 1 time to Illinois and also barely survived UVA & USC in early season) => So a lot of teams are very good and still can be beaten on a given day.
    Maybe a senior like Bazarnik should be better at #6, but who knows. Minny is very good this year especially at home.
     
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    The Buckeyes stacking the lineup? Maybe the PSU coach will say something. :)
     
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    Penn State's season ends on a terrible note.
     
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    I can't say I see many upsets happening in the tournament
     
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    There were some yesterday. But no Team will have a upset today
     
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    Friday's lineup is a dud - the only match that should be remotely close is NW/IU. Everything else should be 4-0 in under 2 hours.
     
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    and the webcam suck really bad. poor quality and no sound.:(
     
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    Toshiki in for Illinois at 6 against Iowa. Stinks No. 1 singles was abandoned cause Hagan could've scored a bit win
     
  24. bluetrain4

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    Your prediction was spot on.
     
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    The Illini win 4-0, and are into the finals tomorrow.

    Rain forced the play indoors. OSU and Minny have just started their semifinal matchup.
     
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    Your boy, Froment, just got waxed by Steinbach from tOSU 6-2, 6-2 in the Big Ten Tournament semis.

    Minnesota only won one set as a team, at #1, where Diaz is the sacrificial lamb in Tucker's usual stack job. I guess they're not better than we thought. :oops:
     
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    The Gophers have had a good season - geez, let it go.

    Steinbach is also no ordinary #6. He should be playing at least 3 or 4 for OSU. I do agree that Tucker stacks - not sure how he gets away with it.
     
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    Great win for Ohio State!!!
     
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    Looking really tough for the Buckeyes right now. Singles are starting to look a little better, but losing 6 first sets and the doubles point looks a little less than promising. I expect a lot of fight on courts 1-4. Metka's style just doesn't match up well with Vukic. Steinbach's match is the oddest of them.
     
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    Will never under stand how illinois lost to the Gophers. .
     
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    Illinois lost a couple of 3 setters they had match points in.

    They got a little tight, the Gophers have a good team and played well, and the Minny home crowd definitely helped.

    Kind of amazed the Illini are 3-0 this year against the Buckeyes - two of the matches even went 4-0. However, the Illini never had to play in Columbus.
     
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    Beating Ohio State never gets old! :)
     
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    how does illini beat ohio state ? wasn't the OSU the #1 seed ?
     
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    No, Illinois has beaten Ohio State three times this year: once at Indoor Nationals, once during the regular season, and now for the Big Ten Tournament Championship.
     
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    Have to laugh :) but not on the illini. Well deserved big10 champions!
     
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    As much success as Ohio State has had under Tucker, they still haven't equaled Illinois' national achievements.

    * No National Championship
    * Only one ITA championship (Illinois won two)
    * Not as many individual championships (1 singles & 3 doubles for Illinois vs. 1 singles and 1 doubles for tOSU)
    * Illinois still holds the all-time record for consecutive wins (64)
     
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    The 64 wins in a row might never be broken with the current ranking system, scholarship limits, etc. Winning on the road against good teams is very very very difficult thing to do.
     
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    every record can be broken, but it is tough too see anytime soon
    even oklahoma with their monster team lost on the road and also can lose in the ncaas at neutral-site.
     
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    Let's not forget that Craig Tiley had assembled a mamouth of a team in the yearly 2000s culminating with the 64 match win streak. No team since has had the talent level or the depth Illinois had then.
     
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    The big question is who is going to be playing at 6 for illinois now
     
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    who played for them ? In that times?
     
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    ah okay, Ram, Delic, De Heart, Chris Martin, Stolt and Wilson, after it Anderson came in

    these people nearly never lost a single..wow; undefeated in 2003. Had a class of 4 players in the Top22 in rankings...thats better as all teams now have..
     
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    Yeah - those were the days.

    It's also interesting how well they've performed this year, since their recruiting has been good, but not great recently:

    2011 - 22nd
    2012 - 6th
    2013 - not ranked
    2014 - 18th
    2015 - 19th
     
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    How did Illini get so good so quickly ?? I know they built a new stadium and all that but most of the good players are from right there in Illinois.....
     
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    Yea, that guy Amer Delic was really good. Most people said he was next Richard Krijicheck. what happened to him ?
     
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    It definitely wasn't quickly. In 1993, the Illini were 4-23 when Craig Tiley began as head coach - he's the main reason Illini tennis improved so much. You could argue that the Illini program has regressed somewhat since he left 10-11 years ago.

    Brad Dancer has been decent to very good as the current coach. He was definitely on the hot seat a couple years ago. I think he's been able to get the most from the local players he recruits - with the possible exception of trying to find a consistent #6 this year. He also has tried to limit the number of foreign players he recruits.
     
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    You need to keep in mind that TRN recruiting class rankings are released a few weeks after the April signing date. There are often late signings, particularly from overseas, that occur after the voting on the class rankings. This makes it easy for each of us to claim that our team is overachieving.

    For example, the senior class ranking of 22nd did not include Farris Gosea. The freshman class ranking of 18th does not include Alex Vukics. Blake Bazarnik transferring in is not reflected in any rankings. Remove those three players from your roster, and your current season's performance would be about in line with the above rankings. Your top three would be the two Hiltziks and Kopinski, and your bottom three would be Matsuya, Guignon and Page.
     
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    I don't like what the committee did to Minnesota. Last time the Gophers made the NCAA tournament in 2013 they were also sent to Virginia. So not only is a repeat destination for them but it is grossly inaccurate with their ranking. The 24th ranked team should not be going to the #3 seed's location. They should be going to the #9 seed if they were going strictly by ranking.
     
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    Yep, another trip to Virginia. I was surprised that we would go there again and, of course, disappointed in that this team, with a good draw, had a shot at the Sweet 16. I assume that from the certain seeding group, it is a random selection but really don't know for sure. If that is the case, then it is just bad luck.
     
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    I just looked over the potential slots and the commitee could have sent Minnesota to TCU. (Other destinations would disrupt several regions). Tulsa (ranked 29) would have gone to Virginia. So that is a lot more accurate for each teams seeding. The travel would have made no difference to Minnesota as they would have to fly to Forth Worth just like they will have to fly to Charlottesville. But it would have forced Tulsa to fly rather than drive. And I guess they thought that was more important. Even though Tulsa went to LA this year and even though little ole Bryant has to fly to Waco. The commitee decided to have a big heart for Tulsa.
     

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