Big 10 Tennis

Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Will Wilson, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. robow7

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    Tough two days for the Illini, No. 1 Virginia on Sunday and then no. 2 USC on Monday. Fell to both of them. Bruno was back in the line up but no. 1 Hiltzik sat out against USC, not sure why? The U of I's youth and inexperience started showing in the tighter matches but a great learning experience.
     
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    Buckeye fan new to the thread,
    it appears that Michigan is fading from early projections as a title contender, don't know what is happening there, and Illinois victory over NW, suggests the cats may not be ready for title contention.
    Will the conference champion be decided in the showdown between the Illini and Bucks?

    The match being at Champaign Urbana has to work in Illinois' favor but injuries, inconsistent play and unsettled lineup must be disconcerting.

    Buckeyes have benefitted greatly by the return of Rola, the emergence of Diaz, and the improved play of Kobelt and McCarthy this year,
    Bucks have also been without Kobelt in the single's lineup for the past 2 weeks.
    What insight does the forum have,
    Any other B1G teams capable of taking a run at the title?
     
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    Welcome aboard....Definitely a down year for the B1G. If Spencer Newman would have stuck around Michigan would have been better. I guess Michigan State and Northwestern have been the 2 that are doing better than expected but they're not good enough to come close to taking out Ohio State.

    Illinois is the only serious contender but Ohio State would have to have several guys have off days for them to drop 3 singles matches and the doubles point to Illinois. Rola and Kobelt are as close to locks as you can get in a full 3 set match.

    I saw where Kobelt has sat out the last few singles matches - he been injured?
     
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    Another astute prediction from the prophet.
     
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    Last year in the B1G tournament final, that exact scenario happened. Bucks dropped 3 "bad day singles." Illinois 4 OSU 3. First Big 10 tourney title Bucks did not win since 2005 and first Big 10 match they lost in over 100 matches.
    They currently are working on a 161 home court win streak, and if they can claim 2 more wins at home, on April 5 they will mark 10 years since they have lost on their home court.

    Kobelt has a dominating serve game and the potential to win against anyone including vs. Mitchell Frank in '12, but he can also struggle to break serve against lower ranked players and has lost some tough matches.
    Many considered in 2012 that Kobelt was placed by Tucker in the #3 hole to protect the bottom of the lineup.
    With Kobelt's Fall performance including being #1 in the Jan. ITA rankings, it has quieted some of the criticism of a stacked lineup.
    I assumed since Peter traveled to Pepperdine, but didn't play, and only played dubs vs. Louisville Tuesday, he must not be at full strength yet.
     
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    Iowa got a nice win yesterday over Fresno State - Iowa recap. It came one day after losing to the University of Pacific.
     
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    Kevin Anderson has a real shot against a top 10 player today, Tipsarevic who has been out of form.
     
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    I'm surprised Michigan State beat Wisconsin that handily. Not a good showing by the Badgers.
     
  9. Will Wilson

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    Minnesota Sweeps the Michigans

    The Golden Gophers went on the road last weekend and swept MSU and Michigan. Not unexpected to top MSU but Michigan was a good win for Minny. If they hadn't laid an egg against a mediocre Wisconsin team they would be in good shape for a top 3 finish in the Big Ten. Topsy turvy season continues for the Maroon and Gold.
     
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    Major upset vs. tSUN for Minnesota, not so sure that the loss to Badgers eliminates them from a top 3 finish.
    I believe that after OSU and Illinois, the #3 spot is wide open.
    Cats, Boilers, and Gophers all have shown tenacity this spring, and would not count out Wolverines yet either.
     
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    Any boilers on this, they seem very much improved this season, whats the story?
     
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    Minnesota up 3-1 on Northwestern and up 3-1 in the 3rd at #2.
     
  13. Will Wilson

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    Minnesota closed it out to go 3-1 in conference. They are doing this without one of their senior regulars as well. Biggest match of the season tomorrow against Illinois. Probably a longshot for the Gophers but they are at home so you never know.
     
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    Gophers did it again and beat Illinois today 4-3
     
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    Yes, they did - what a match. The doubles couldn't have been any closer but the Golden Gophers came up short. They then proceeded to win 4 singles matches, even though they are missing one regular.

    One unusual thing is they won at the first four positions - in recent years, depth has been their strength frequently pulling out matches by dominating the 3-6 singles but this year they are winning at all positions.

    What a roller coaster season with 3 wins over top 25 opponents and 3 losses to teams they probably should have beaten - all by 4-3 scores.

    This win throws the race for second in the Big Ten wide open as Minnesota has wins over Illinois, Michigan and Northwestern, the three teams most likely to finish second. With the exception of OSU next weekend, the Gophers could run the table.
     
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    Congratulations!
    A strong performance for several Gophers, peaking at just the right time in the year and will be climbing quickly in the ITA Team rankings.
    As a Buckeye fan I was hoping that Illinois might stay in the ITA top 25 to offer OSU a chance at another quality win. Looks like Bucks will potentially fall short of any hope of top 5 ranking.
    This upcoming weekend match OSU vs. Minnesota has to be a high alert for Buckeye fans. Much of the anticipation has been on UKentucky, Thursday, and Wisconsin Friday, (10 year anniversary of the last OSU home loss).
    Sunday poses a huge potential letdown.
    Gophers will match up well against OSU, and if a couple of Bucks have off days, it will make for an upset special similar to the title match of the B1G tournament in 2012.
     
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    Edit; OSU will play at Kentucky on Wed. April 3 not Thurs. as I said in the previous post.
     
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    Indiana creeps back into the rankings at 69 with a big in state rivalry matchup tomorrow against #63Purdue
     
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    No worries about the Bucks overlooking The Golden Gophers: a shutout for OSU and none of the results close. As a Gopher fan I did not think they would win but thought is would be closer.

    However, the Gophers, with two conference losses and all the elite teams behind them, look to run the table.

    Any predictions Jaggy?
     
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    Indiana has now got some confidence but consistency is weak on too many courts, I say we lose 3-4 outside or 2-5 inside.
     
  21. Gracelhink

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    I anticipated that Minnesota would take a strong run at the Bucks. C'bus is a tough place to win for opponents.
    Looks like the showdown at Champaign this Friday and then the Buckeye finale at Ann Arbor will decide the B1G championship.
    A lot of memories from last year's B1G tournament fianl have left a bitter taste for OSU. Not only the loss but also the drop from a potential #2 or #3 seed to #5 and a quarterfinal match with UCLA in the 2012 NCAA tournament.
    Seeding for the 2013 B1G tournament will be interesting with Gophers still a strong possibility to claim the #2 or #3 spot.
     
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    Gophers have taken the doubles point against Indiana. Singles are very tight so far - looks like another close match.

    For those interested, live stats and video streaming is available at gophersports.com
     
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    6-1 gophers but it kept freezing on me so I have no idea how close it was, good win for them though
     
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    Minnesota over Indiana was closer than the score - 3 tiebreaks in singles and the Gophers won all 3. Could have easily been another 4-3 nail biter like they've had all year.

    They are rolling right now - here's hoping no letdown tomorrow against Purdue, a team they should beat at home.
     
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    Updated Big Ten Standings

    Things are starting to take shape with one weekend to go. Minnesota likely ending up in second as Michigan still has to play OSU and the Golden Gophers beat Michigan head to head. Indiana and Illinois with lots to play for in the top half of the standings. Sorry for the goofy formatting.

    Big Ten Overall
    Team Record Pct. Record Pct.
    Ohio State 9-0 1.000 26-2 .929
    Michigan 8-1 .889 13-7 .650
    Minnesota 7-2 .778 11-9 .550
    Indiana 6-3 .667 16-11 .593
    Illinois 6-3 .667 13-9 .591
    Michigan State 5-4 .554 11-11 .500
    Northwestern 4-5 .444 18-8 .693
    Purdue 3-6 .333 16-9 .640
    Wisconsin 2-7 .222 10-11 .476
    Nebraska 2-7 .222 10-12 .455
    Penn State 2-7 .222 8-14 .364
    Iowa 0-9 .000 7-14 .333
     
  26. jaggy

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    Indiana need a couple of big wins to have any hope of making the ncaa tournament although it would still be a long shot. Minnesota have been the surprise team for me, great season.
     
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    Gophers Roll Again

    The Golden Gophers rolled over Nebraska 5-2 on the road
    Minny is now one win away from second place in the conference
    Former Minnesota high school phenom Dusty Boyer played first singles for the Huskers as a freshman
     
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    Buckeyes wrapped up their 8th straight Big 10 regular season title yesterday with a 6-1 win over the Spartans.
    Senior day in cbus was yesterday, with the team celebrating the careers of Devin McCarthy, Connor Smith, and Ilie VanEngelen.
    Sunday the Buckeyes can make it an outright B1G title if the 10-0 OSU team can gain a victory in the hostile environment of 9-1 Ann Arbor, Michigan.
    After some stumbles in midseason, Wolverines seem to be putting together a strong run at the close.
     
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    "Squeaked by" might be more accurate than "rolled over." I was watching the LiveStats late. It was 3-2 and Minnesota was at 3-4 and 4-5 in the third sets of the final matches, and got late service breaks in both matches.
     
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    Interesting. Ille Van Engelen was listed as a freshman two years ago, a sophomore a year ago, and is listed as a junior on this year's roster. Did they really announce him as a senior yesterday at the celebration?

    I have tried to make this point to all the whiners on the threads about "20-year old foreign freshmen." Until they complete their eligibility, you don't know if they were really freshmen or not. Age can cost them a year (or more) of eligibility, and the rules have tightened further since Van Engelen arrived.
     
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    Interesting observation on Van Engelen, yes the official OSU site included him in the recognition yesterday of Seniors.
    I had assumed that even though he had another year of eligibility, he would be graduating.
    Hadn't heard about the NCAA "foreign freshman age" rules.
    Don't know if this was the trigger but....
    Acc. to his ATP profile, Van Engelen turned 23 recently,
    as opposed to Blaz Rola who is also listed as a Junior at OSU, but does not turn 23 until October.
     
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    Indiana hardly showed today and were well beaten.
     
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    Minnesota over Iowa

    The Gophers "squeaked by" :) the Hawkeyes 7-0 in Minneapolis. The Big Ten tournament should be interesting. Anything to be on the other side of the bracket from OSU.
     
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    Big Ten Tournament Draw Released

    The draw for the Big Ten conference tournament has been released: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...sc_non_event/2013B1GMTENTournamentBracket.pdf

    Of course its a battle for second place behind OSU, especially because they are hosting the tournament. Minnesota grabs the second seed with Michigan third and Illinois fourth.

    There ended up being a log jam in the middle of the conference with tie breakers used for much of the rest of the seeding.

    Action starts on Thursday in Columbus.

    Any predictions?
     
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    yeah, though i'd call it less of a prediction and more of an obvious statement

    OSU wins
    Illini give them a semi-test, no one else does even that
     
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    If Indiana werent in total free fall id like that draw
     
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    Big 10 playoffs start this Thursday. wonder if they will have cam coverage in Ohio. They have one up but not sure if they will cover this event.
     
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    I'm sort of surprised that Illinois isn't hosting men's or women's Big 10 Tourney as sort of a trial run for hosting NCAAs for the first time.
     
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    Good point. Especially since they don't seem to have much of a chance of playing in the tournament they are hosting. Never thought about it before but has that ever happened?
     
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    Well, the NCAAs are often at Georgia and Stanford, which hardly ever miss the Rnd of 16. Though, if Stanford were hosting this year, I can't imagine they'd advance to far enough to get to play at home.

    Other sites I can think of are Tulsa and Texas A&M. I'm betting those teams have not made the Rnd of 16 every time they have hosted, but I could be wrong.
     
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    The tournament usually rotates among schools, Illini hosted the Big 10 tournament in 2012, in where they shocked the Buckeyes in the finals, handing OSU their first Big 10 loss since '05,
    Count me ignorant if Tucker has allowed the Buckeyes to forget that disappointing defeat, or overlook a potential semifinal match with Illinois.
    It will take a planetary alignment akin to armageddon level catastrophic extinction event for Illinois to pull off another upset, in c'bus.
    The Big 10 tournament will have live stream video for each court.
    The OSU tennis website will provide a link as will surely the astute talk tennis site admins.
    The new OSU outdoor tennis complex is state of the art, extremely fan and spectator friendly, offers plenty of parking, adjacent to the woody hayes athletic complex, with locker rooms i. e. Its an all around great venue to host the event.
    Minnesota has become the feel good story of the year in the Big 10 with what appears to be a difference maker at coach. Anyone predicting a 2nd place finish for the Gophers deserves special recognition.
    Northwestern is also gaining momentum in Big 10 reputation.
    Other programs seem to be on the decline in the Big 10 with perennial powers Illinois and Michigan experiencing down years, finishing outside the ITA top 25.
    Much of that decline may be attributable to the disadvantage in recruiting the blue chippers, American and international to schools that play predominantly indoor tennis in the Spring season.
    Gracelhink's predictions:
    OSU over Illinois (6-1), & Minnesota over Michigan (4-3) in the semis.
    OSU over Minnesota (7-0) in the final!
     
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    Tulsa got upset in the 2nd round when they hosted thus attendance was horrible. That was the year Georgia beat Virginia in the semifinals when Singh cramped against Hunt
     
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    Disappointed by Wisconsin this season. They faded down the stretch. I thought they would be better.
     
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    While it's great for me since I live an hour from Champaign, I'm betting attendance isn't going to be huge for this NCAA tournament. Even if Illinois makes the Rnd of 16, I doubt they'd make it any further. So, at most, big attendance for one match. But, maybe I'll be surprised.

    I'm laughing thinking about what the weather could be like for this tournament. Anything can happen in central Illinois in the middle of May - hot and humid, sunny and beautiful, cold, rainy, tornadoes, hot and windy, cold and windy, overcast and pleasant. And, it can all change very quickly.
     
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    You sure about Live Streaming Video on each court for outdoors? I know they have it for matches played indoors but have never seen it for outdoors matches.
     
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    You are correct,
    OSU official site links video feed for indoor courts only,
    Kicking myself for not checking the website before I said stream video was available outdoors.
     
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    What about live stats for the outdoor courts?
     
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    Don't know if Minnesota is the "feel good story". They have been near the top of the Big Ten for a long time and was a dominant program a while ago. Having said that, I do agree with your predictions.
    the most accurate observation is of their coach, Geoff Young. He has done a great job of steadily improving the program each year. They have two more very good recruits coming in next year and only lose one regular. they've got a good tradition, great facilities and an excellent coach; look for the Gophers to be near the top of the Big Ten and in the top 30 nationally for the foreseeable future.
     

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