Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by kOaMaster, Dec 29, 2012.
What about Haas?
Nice story. At 22, though, one would expect any player to still have hope in the future. He was young enough that it made sense for him to try everything he could.
Haas hasn't done that much since he came back. I'm sure Rafa will want a much more convincing return.
I think the fact that he's gotten back into the top ten/top twenty numerous times in his injury ridden career is enough to say he's made a "big comeback". Especially since he wasn't playing for a year at a time. Nadal will make a more convincing return to the tour because he has not been out that long realistically. There are a few players that have been out longer and have ended up near the top of the game again.
Also because he's the better player of the 2 obviously.
And because he is not really seriously injured!
Watch his magical injury-free clay return.
You are going to be in for big surprise when Nadal comes back. He's going to be a total mug who wins nothing. Count on it.
I think it is you who will be surprised! He will be running around on that clay like nothing happened, unless he is not able to eat his special spinach.
Agassi was in a slump in 1997, but he did play regularly. Here are Agassi's 1997 results:
SF in San Jose
R32 in Memphis
R32 in Scottsdale
R64 in Indian Wells
R64 in Miami
Won 2 Davis Cup matches against Schalken and Siemerink
R16 in Atlanta
R32 in Washington
R32 in Los Angeles
R64 in Cincinnati
QF in Indianapolis
R16 at the US Open
R64 at Stuttgart Indoor (a masters series event from 1996-2001)
It was after Agassi lost to Todd Martin at the 1997 Stuttgart Masters that Brad Gilbert told Agassi to either start over and totally dedicate himself, or to pack it all in. Todd Martin was only ranked at number 64 at the time, yet beat 102 ranked Agassi 6-4, 6-4, which meant that Agassi's ranking would fall further. By the 10th November 1997, Agassi's world ranking was at number 141 in the world.
Agassi then played 2 challenger events before the end of the year, finishing as runner-up in Las Vegas (which pulled his ranking up to 122), and then winning Burbank (pulling his year-end ranking for 1997 up to 110).
Nole could easily take him if Rafa is not near 100%. It's possible (but not likely) he could beat Rafa even at 100%. Rafa will need to come back well in advance of RG if expects to win the title. I think he will do it, but it's definetly not given by any means. Also, I think Nole's primary goal this year with be to win RG and complete a career GS.
Such a nice statement. You can't lose in this position.
1)Nadal does good in the clay season: It proves he was never injured all along, just silently suspended or cycling off.
2)Nadal doesn't do good in the clay season: He still wasn't injured but he probably couldn't dope at that particular time so that explains his performance.
Yes, when Krajicek was "on" he was amazing (even on clay). Sadly he could never sustain his highest level for long enough periods of time. He was very up and down (he also had several important injuries).
Safin after 2003. Missed pretty much all of 2003, played his first tournament at AO 2004, managed to somehow make the final after a tough draw only to gas out in the final, then managed to win back to back ms titles in Europe then took home the AO 2005. Sadly, it ended in injuries again.
that's a good comeback, indeed (sometimes forgotten because of safin's other long absence from the tour in 2005/2006)... even if he didn't stay 6 complete months without playing on the tour.
his 2004 AO run was spectacular.
Safin didn't miss all of 2003. He had about a 3 month hiatus in the middle of the year, but he still entered 13 tournaments in 2003 and participated in the indoor season events. He played his last match of 2003 at the end of October. Safin was in poor form, but he has no place in this discussion of players returning after 6+ months off tour.
Safin's story is more like a career revival. Kinda like Roddick at the start of 2009, but Marat had to climb back up much more than Roddick.
13 tournaments is nothing, especially when he only competed in the AO that year and still had to withdraw. Shame, could have dominated that year .
I hope you are right (and his fans should too otherwise he will look awfully suspicious) but I don't think so. It should take a player a good 6-9 months to get back into winning form after such an absence. Let's see how he does.
LOL. Keep dreaming.
a girl can dream can't she?
If Rafa is moving, he'll thrash everyone bar Djokovic.
That's right Clarky, Rafas always in your dreams.
Dominated? :neutral: Very unlikely. Even in-form Safin was not a shoe-in for the FO and Wimbledon is simply out of the question. He would have had chances to win AO and USO, but to say that Safin would have dominated those two events with the kind of form Agassi and Roddick were in is giving Safin more credit than he deserves.
Uh, Safin coming into the AO 2004 had very little match practice as we've already covered still managed to beat Agassi and Roddick in 5 sets. So I'd favour an in form Safin over Roddick or Agassi on any hard court any day of the week.
FO, remember Safin has actually beaten Ferrero before and never got a chance to really play 2004 and 2005 because of injury and after 2005 he was out of pretty much everything, definitely could have won one FO title if he didn't have injury problems especially in 2003 and 2004; Especially since Nadal wasn't in FO ownage mode until 2005.
Again, Wimbledon is the same story, made one QF appearance then wasn't really able to anything because of the wrist injury of 03, the blisters of 2004, knee of 2005, 2006 onwards he didn't do anything until 2008 where he made the semi's. I think if Safin could make the semi's on one foot playing nowhere near the level he could, I'm sure in 2003 he could have done better, again, if fully fit.
Pancho was able to still beat the top guys with good frequency - Laver, Rosewall - after taking a couple of years off back in the early 1960's.
Kimiko Date-Krumm (42 y.o.)
She came back in 2008 after nearly 12 years off the tour. Since the comeback, she has won several ITF titles, and then won her eighth WTA Tour title at the 2009 Hansol Korea Open in Seoul, thus becoming the second-oldest player in the Open era, after Billie Jean King, to win a singles title on the WTA Tour.
She is also still a power on the tour, often giving much higher ranked opponents a humiliating defeat.
well, so much for this. I think Fed, Djokovic & Murray could all take 6 months off & contend right away. partly because they're that good & there simply is no depth in the mens game(I think you can give up on 'additional champs' Tsonga & Berdych at this point, short of injuries to 3 of the big 4 happening at the same time in a major)
The next group of great players haven't turned pro yet. My money's on no one outside the big 4 winning a major this year. Again. Sigh.
so besides the nadal's "comeback" (after his imag'injury), credit to haas to his 2nd comeback after >6 months absence: he almost made it back to the top10 !
haas after his 2010 break.
(#11 in 2013, 1 slam QF after the break... and he still plans to come back !)
so in addition to star wars VII, any prediction for haas IV and delpo III in 2015 ?
i'm surprised tio toni didn't have the nadal getting both his arms and legs plastered when jetskiing, just to make it more real...
Muster? It has to be..
his break was a bit shorter than 6 months (same for rafter).
Fed came back less than a week after his "back injury" at the World Tour Finals 2014.
So you were proved wrong then!
what part of ">6 months absence" don't you understand ? i'd be pleased to help... for free !
I am wondering if Fed was plastered at the Davis Cup to make his injury more real ?
And as Nadal threw his leg over the jetski ... wracked with pain ... the suffering of the world healed by his foundation ... he headed to the shore for a very merry nadal.
You probably sculpt his face with your mashed potatoes since you can't seem to get him out of your head.
I'll grant you that, but it's a silly cut-off to begin with.
I was proved wrong how exactly? I didn't state he can't do it, I had my doubts. I did start the thread because I felt that Nadal could make indeed a great comeback but didn't know how to rank it among others.
And Nadal did surprise me, that is true of course. Not only did he manage to win grand slams from the very beginning, he also had one of his best years (title-wise). That made me think a lot bigger of Nadal. This comeback is something you can't really argue with in numbers but it will always come to my mind when I'd list why I think Nadal is one of the greatest players ever.
i don't disagree... i just followed the OP instructions (sir yes sir !!!).
you know upsetting or annoying people isn't my thing, don't you ?
Freudian psychology...very legitimother.
... so do i !!!
Can you really call it a "come back" if you miss 6 months from a bruised ego and/or mommy/daddy issues?
It means what vive le beau jeu !'s thinks it means
Freudian treatment is notoriously long.
Caca de toro, mi hermana. Caca de toro.
Do you write about yourself?
It's a clear case of fixation at the anal stage, no?
What did you call it while you were picking your jaw up from the floor?
His pre serve rituals are conspicuous signs of unconscious energies fixated at the erogenous zones associated with the anal and oral psychosexual stages of development, with possible phallic stage impairments as well. Perhaps Humbellito is the next Oedipus?
Ridin in the benzo, poppin my collar
see some fine wenches, I hafta holla
Diamonds, gold, and the all mighty dolla
I'm Oedipus b, the original balla
I bust out my 9, to light up yo impala
F the police!
Disappointing your mother.
There is nothing "conspicuous & unconscious." Here he gives instructions on how to make his pre-serve rituals (watch from 1:28 to 1:45):
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