Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by SunYiXian, May 2, 2012.
I do the chs->atl often, atl is carnival of juicy.
For some reason tennis attracts real sociopaths, I've noticed.
I was watching some mixed doubles with 50 year olds. And they all looked nice and upper-middle-class and all, and then they started playing and the women were shrieking and swearing and the men were yelling at each other over the calls. It was truly bizarre, I'd never seen anything like it before in my life.
Nice story, but your conclusion is false. See, mixed doubles is not tennis.
Therefore, you cannot use your observation re mixed doubles to conclude that tennis attracts sociopaths.
I've seen it too, but it's not common. I'm 47, and play mixed with/against a lot of people in my age range. Usually, if there is a problem, there is only one freak involved, with the spouse/partner of the freak shooting "I'm sorry" looks across the net.
I deal with folks who are primarily middle-middle class. I have a theory that the upper-middle folks tend to be more volatile, due to the fact that many are high achievers in the business world and have a hard time shedding the type A attitude on the court.
The offending player in my story was a PhD, for what it is worth.
I could see how spousal mixed doubles could get a little heated. :lol:
players that give you generous calls early, but hook late in matches. call it like you see it, please. not how you want it.
When a player calls clear line hits out.
ROFL. I absolutely DO deserve the point. Just as much as you do when you take a wild stab at a ball going past you and accidentally pop it back across the net for a dead winner. You make your own luck. If I hadn't been in position to make play on the ball, it wouldn't have even come close to striking the top of the tape and going over. Have you ever seen an NBA player apologize for making a 3/4 court shot? Was he lucky? LOL. Of course he was. Luck tends to migrate to those who try harder and stay in the point. You don't apologize to me when my ball clips the top of the net and kicks out of bounds, do you? So why should I apologize to you when it clips the top of the net and lands in?
And by the way, there really is no such thing as a quick-serve. Either you are ready to receive or you are not. If you are, the server can serve immediately. The rule clearly states the service is to be at the pace of the server.
I have a friend who likes people to do that too. The way I see it, it's your serve, holding the balls is your responsibility. I don't want to have one in my pocket if I'm not on serve, and I don't want to have to keep track of how many balls my opponent has. If I shag 'em on my side I just lob 'em back onto his side, he can do what he wants with them. It ain't a team sport, my opponent can keep track of his own balls.
And when I'm on serve I like to have all balls near me. I'll usually take the third and roll it to the fence behind me. I don't want my opponent holding any.
The same friend will say, "Got two?" I'll say "Yep, and I want that third, hand it over buddy."
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At the beginning of a game in singles I would NEVER hold a ball in my pocket for an opponent. Yet in doubles I'll gladly hold a ball for my partner as he uses just two. When I'm serving I never want more than 2 balls or I feel like I'm carrying luggage when I'm serve-n-volleying.
The more it stews in my brain, if an opponent asked me to hold a ball on his serve, I'd walk to the net and say something like "Are you kidding me?" In singles it's the server's responsibility to account for his three. Who the heck would ask an opponent to hold a ball? That's like to a millionaire asking you to give him $5...puzzling.
I'd tell him that I'd hold it. I would just roll it to the back fence or into the net. Whatever is convenient for me. I normally am pretty OCD about making sure the server has all three on their side.
Having the opponent hold on to one of the balls speeds the game up, so I prefer that. But if they don't want to it's not a big deal. Their first service game, I'll ask if want me to hold one or if they want all three. If they offer the same to me, I'll ask them to hold one. About half the time around here, the returner holds onto the 3rd ball.
People that insist on having all 3 balls available to them before each of their serves, no matter where the balls end up after the previous point, annoy me. You only need 2 balls to play out the next point, so strolling around every time picking up the extra ball across the court from where you are just slows down the game too much.
This is another thing that seems to bother some of you that just doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't care if there is a ball in my pocket. I normally don't care if there are two balls in my pocket. My shorts usually have pockets that are plenty big and I don't really notice one way or the other during a point. I'll hold or not hold as many balls as is most convenient at the time no matter who is serving. I also look at people weird to seem to get all worked up over those issues. Oh well.
^^^ This .....
There's a good reason to have possession of all three balls, after about five games the balls change, some get fluffier than the others. A smooth ball travels faster. You only want one ball in your pocket (the opposite pocket that your racket is in). When you get into a heavy rally, running hard, you'll find out why. Just put the third ball behind you at the fence. It's a players right to have and demand all three balls, I've seen fights occur when one player refused to give up the third ball and the server went over to the receiver's side to get it. It's a courtesy of the game to give all the balls to the server to let him look them over and choose the one he wants. In doubles I ask my partner in the beginning if he wants to hold all three, if he says no, that tells me he's not a tournament player. When receiving in doubles, I'll give the third ball to the server and see if he keeps it or gives it to his partner to hold, that'll tell me how he prefers it. In a match when new balls are brought in, the server holds them up to showing the receiver they are new and they will be going through the air faster. There's a reason for everything. If I don't want to trouble my opponent to get a ball in the corner, I'll say that I have two, relieving him of the obligation of getting it.
My biggest peeve is when an opponent calls theball out before it is. I s there a ruling on this as if done repeatedly it is a hinderance?
Good call....I hate that as well.....that just screams of the potential to miss a call.
No. It's just terrible line calling based on wishful thinking. Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do about it because it is the opponent's call to make. If you make mention of it to someone who does it a lot, they usually deny they are doing it.
Watching a lot of matches from the sidelines & from up above at indoor clubs has shown me that calling balls out before they bounce is more common than I would have thought.
I don't think you should play with your racket in your pocket.
(It's obvious what you mean and I agree, I'm sorry...)
I remember seeing a guy play doubles who was right-handed, always kept the second ball in his right pocket when serving. When he faulted on his first, he'd do this awkward reach across with his left hand to his right pocket, or he'd switch the racket back and forth between hands. Looked inconvenient, and I don't know why he did it--you can't just ask someone about that! Maybe he had a hole in his pocket...
Like some others, I'm surprised about the hoo-hah about holding (pocketing) an extra ball. It certainly can speed up a game if my opponent hits a let that winds up in a corner somewhere and I can just pull a ball out of my pocket and swat it over to him, etc. I don't like to have all 3 balls when serving, but I've been trying to be less particular about that, there's room in that pocket, I can carry the weight...
Like you, I'll ask early in the match whether my opponent wants all three when he is serving, or whether I should hold onto one until there is a convenient time to return it to him. I'm happy to oblige either way.
I must admit though that I am one of those that likes all three balls before every point when serving. For whatever reason I seem to get a lot of lets on my 1st serve, and I like having all three to keep things flowing if and when that happens.
You go to your court.....and I dont know what it is.....except DELAYING the process........
You establish what side of the court you will begin warm ups on, crack the can of balls, run out the court......do a lil strecth....and you are ready to hit...
only one thing......
your opponent is still at the bench.....checking texts.......then....another 3-5 minutes to re-grip......then.....a 2 min converstaion with the people on the next court.....then another minute to properly line up his beverages.....
At this point you are doing a 'jog in place'...for the 12th time.......
Finally....he decides to bless the court with his presence.......and 2 minutes of hiting FH's, he decides he HAS to take an impromptu bathroom run....:shock:
Dang, that's complicated.
In singles, I hold the third ball unless the server tells me she wants it. Some do, some don't. What I don't want to do is slow down the game by sending balls over needlessly. If she has two and steps up to serve, let's go.
In doubles, I do the same thing: Use common sense and observe the flow. If the server has two, I keep the third unless asked for it. This seems to be the standard in our area.
Around here, the singles opponent always holds the third ball (unless specifically requested to do otherwise) and retrieves balls as necessary to make sure the game is flowing at the most efficient pace.
In doubles, the server's partner holds the third ball. It is considered discourteous for one of the opponents to keep the third, unless that is speeding up play (e.g., the server already has two and is ready to serve while one of the opponents retrieves the ball from the court on their side--in that case s/he would just pocket the third ball for that point and send it over on the next point).
Stop being cheap and hire a ballboy. It's only a dollar an hour extra...oops i live in Vietnam and ballboys are standard. Lulz. Rarely, we might get a lazy ballboy which is frustrating. Oh poor me.
Yes, players with six inch or more FF habit. Just absurd cheaters.
Two ball-related peeves:
*People that can't even bring three of the same balls. I don't want to play one rally with a Wilson Australian Open, then a Head Championship with the next. No, I'm not being pretentious, THEY ARE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT. You wouldn't expect me to come over and change your racket from a Prestige to a Pure Drive and back after every point, so why do it with balls? Normally I find it's the pushers who do this, because they're not concerned about margins...
*People who look at me funny when I want more than two balls as server, so I can choose what I serve with. I started doing this when one day, one of my opponents took the liberty of chasing down the not so nice balls, instead of grabbing the newer ones closer to him, but only during my service games...
Yes, I know we're not pros, but if I hit my three-digit first serve with the same ball every time, its going to look a lot worse than the others by the end. My serve ritual is still shorter than half of my opponents, so what does it matter?
I don't know, maybe I'm just fussy, but I don't feel like it's too much to ask. With all the money spent on rackets, strings, bags, why don't more people give a damn about the balls too?
Yeah- you are fussy.
No your not fussy--you're smart, those are the same things tournament players expect. Also if you're playing in a tournament call up and find out what kind of balls they will be using and practice with those and if you're playing singles, practice with singles sticks, it will make a difference.
play one morning a week social, round robin doubles. 4 courts, common fence. club provides balls numbered 1 thru 4. I recognize we'll never get to the point where 12 balls are commonly shared among 4 courts but do find amusing that, as a group, how each set of balls is stubbornly protected for 20 minutes until rotating through to another court.... And the consternation when suddenly discovered that court 3 just rallied with a #2 ball.
Wouldn't be a problem if everyone just brought a can of new balls every time. That said, that segues into my pet peave. Every group has 'that guy' who never brings balls, but sometimes you have a guy who tells you not to open that can of balls you brought and insist on using the assortment of old balls they found in their bag. 10-15 minute warm up session, fine - but if we're going to be hitting for a while or playing out sets just crack open the can I brought. Tennis balls are cheap. Life is too short to hit with dead balls.
I recently practiced with a high school kid in my town, he was a decent player but would not stop talking.
It was like every darn ball he had some question to ask or say something. It wouldn't stop. Even if I didn't respond he would keep asking/talking.
I didn't want to be mean or anything, but really, inside I was yelling "SHUT UP!".
My main pet peeve is when an opponent is inconsiderate about how they get the balls back to me after a point when I'm serving. That is, they're not paying attention to what I'm doing or where I am but just hit the ball(s) any way to anywhere ... so that I have to walk around the court to get balls that they should have just waited to hit to me when I'm ready.
It's just common sense courtesy, and when people are inconsiderate in this way I ask them in a nice way to pay attention to what I'm doing before just whacking the balls over to my side of the court, and then just hit them gently right to me. So far all offenders have complied with that request.
Someone not apologizing for a netcord winner I do not find a problem at all.
3. (excessive) Grunting
4. Hitting the netcord with the racket
5. Not cleaning up
That's funny. :lol:
I have a guy who does something similar, which grinds my gears. I'll be picking up a ball midcourt and look at him to hit to me a second ball...he usually hits it 10 feet over my head or 10 feet to my left or right. Why not just hit it to me????
People who aren't very good but try every little trick to mess with your head, Im playing for fun and fitness take your stupid little games away with you
I find it incredibly annoying when there is a ball on the court and someone swats it toward the net or the side or the back fence. Then we all have to wait for it to ricochet off the net or fence and stop rolling again. And then maybe the ball STILL needs to be cleared.
If you're close enough to touch the ball with your racquet, you're close enough to pick up the damned thing and put it in your pocket. Quit wasting everybody's time.
Yes! They could easily hit it to the net, but they swat it to the far reaches of the court or under a bench. Difficult to comprehend the thought pattern behind this if any, there's a few I know who do this regularly, weird, just delays the game.
Slovenly stupid people, (NOT you guys, but your opponents), exhibiting some deeply seated subconscious anti-social behavior. Also annoying when opponents win a game and slam the balls directly back hard at you so it's difficult to catch or bounces high over your head.
Players should not return a ball when your opponent is not facing you. I'll sometimes say, "Does it look like I have eyes behind the back of my head?" Or if they are wandering around in the court's wilderness looking for Godot, or have their backs turned to you talking about their Irish Setters, return the ball very slowly so it stops near the baseline where they will be serving.
There's also the truly anti-social ones, who try to make you look bad by hitting both balls back to you at the same time.
Also annoying are the ones who don't leave the balls at the baseline, when changing sides. They place them the "tea-tray" thingy on the net post, where they are forgotten about when it comes time to serve, and the server says, "Where are the balls?", and then more time wasted having to go get the balls.
While we're at it, why don't they position, that "tea-tray" thingy higher on the net post so you could hang a jacket on it so it doesn't lie on the ground. The hooks on them are useless because they are so low, no one ever hangs anything on them.
Designers are probably worried about suicides/homicides, tennis players can get so emotional...
The prim, proper and uppity country club attitude that predominates the rec scene. Whenever I get one of these for an opponent, I know there's going to be a lot of eye-rolling and glares of disgust simply because I'm an emotional player who likes to curse loudly, smash racquets and launch balls over the fence in frustration. Anyone who's a fan of tennis knows these things are to be expected; it's a mental game and sometimes you just have to vent.
I also can't stand it when parents yell at me just because their kids on the adjacent court can hear my profanity. You're out in public, you can't protect your kids from everything. Fortunately, I tend to feed off their anger and it bolsters my game.
How it takes multiple years, hundreds of thousands of tennis shots to finally start to get it, then grow too old to do it.
Frankly I am glad clubs have the discretion to ban people who behave like you describe. Even in public courts there are rules that have to be followed and violators can be cited.
You need to cut some slack for TTMR:twisted: He boasts about kicking up a kerfuffle at a public tennis court in the MID OF WINTER,when it is -40degrees. Don't feed the trolls
Yah, takes me two hours to get warmed up--and then I'm worn out.
Players....that for whatever reason.....feel the need to run to the score change......on even games. Dude.....we do change over on every odd game, is it really necessary to swiitch up the score to make it show 2-2???
Deleted. Just noticed that TTMR is a troll. I'll just say that the idea that "venting" is necessary, or in any way a good thing, is a mistaken one.
I don't think it's all that heavy. Just an example of more or less normal self-centered behavior. When people do it, and I tell them about it, they're only too happy to be more considerate about how they get the balls back to me.
Holy cow what a thread! I honestly can't think of any pet peeves I have in tennis. It does make me wonder about the guys/gals I'm playing though--are they about to blow up because I'm hitting net cords or not warming up exactly to their liking?
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