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  1. Tennis_Hands

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    That would be true for steel frames. Not many of those are to be found nowadays with the modern technologies.

    Water gets in and out ;-)

    Cleaner look has nothing to do with aero (regardless of what the marketing departments of the manifacturers are feeding us with). It is just .... neat.

    Fusker is right, though.
     
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    I went road biking a few days ago and according to the gps I burned 986 calories, I guess that's decent if it's even accurate. It was a 17 mile trip. I may go road biking tomorrow, I transferred a map that I found online to my gps so I might try it out. It's suppose to be a nice scenic route with little traffic and roughly 35 miles. I just got into road cycling recently, it's an expensive hobby but it's a great workout.

    When I did ride a few days ago, I suffered lower back pain for some reason. I'm going to bring it back to my LBS and get it fitted properly, I think I might need to move the seat back a little.
     
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    We haven't been riding at all since mid April, because tis windsurfing season for another month. Last weekend, rode 37 miles checking out the AC-45 boats, then to OceanBeach for a loop back to BART, then another loop home. Was kinda hard, on my butt. SanFrancisco seems kinda bike friendly, if you can find the bike streets. Of course, stay away from the fast thoroughfares thru town. Cars go 40.
     
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    Doing this one a week from Friday:

    Day 1:

    http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=451186

    Day 2:

    http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course.aspx?course=451176

    Check out the profile of the rides on the summary tab. Can switch to imperial units on the map tab on the right in options.

    Day 1, starts with 6 mile 3000 ft climb to 11000 ft, then 5 mi 1500 descent, then finishes with 5 mi 1000 ft climb.

    Camp at lakes *remember to bring cold weather gear.

    Day 2 is like 20 miles of downhill into Big Pine. Fun.
     
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    I mentioned I have friends just coming back from Switz/Italy/France on their yearly Euro "vacation". They like stuff like the MarklevilleDeathRide, LakeTahoe ++ rides, and the passes of the Swiss/Italian Alps.
    They ride kinda slow, they say, but like to grind for up to 10 hours a day. Me, I'm a sport rider, no panniers, pump out 30 miles in just over 2 hours, they sit around watching TV while sipping a beer.
     
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    Love biking.. especially down to the club. perfect way to warm up and to chill out after hitting, kills those pounds that used to carry around.
     
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    So, scariest moment ever today as a cyclist. I was slowing down so I could make a left turn, but before I did, I made sure to look back and see where the nearest car was. I figure the truck coming up was about 200+ feet behind me, so I was going to slow to a stop and make my turn. About 5 seconds later, hear the screeching of car brakes and see the truck swerving halfway into the left lane. Meanwhile, the redneck riding shotgun yells something at me.

    Very nerve wracking... I ended up just sitting off of the road for about 5 minutes to collect myself before getting back on my bike again. Closest I've been to getting hit by a car in my first year of riding...don't really like thinking about the possibility that I could have been pancaked by that pickup truck...

    In another news, I'm getting very comfortable riding with my clipless pedals!
     
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    1. you gotta signal, just like a car.
    2. Why come to a stop? Is there a stop sign. You seem to be inhibiting the normal flow of traffic by your weird manuever.
     
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    I stop because I don't feel like practicing dodgeball with methods from Patches O'Hoolihan. I'm not going to try and dodge cars coming from the oncoming lane to make my turn. It's also one of the ways at this spot that I'm sure that "most" times, the cars behind me aren't going to pancake me.
     
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    sounds great. thx for sharing... :)
    have fun !
     
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    If you gotta STOP to make a left, by all means, SIGNAL so the guy behind knows what you're doing!!!!!
     
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    Rode 39.9 miles this Sunday, taking on the WildcatCanyon climb at mile 23. About 500' elevation change. I"m no climber, that's for sure, but enough cars and motorcycles passed me that I needed to finish the climb and get out of their way.
    The descent was kinda cool, staying with most cars, getting passed only on the longer straightaways, and frying the brakes to stay attached.
    Ride took almost 4 hours, the climb averaging close to 6 mph foreever.
     
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    Anyone have experience with electric-assisted bikes? I'm researching them as a zero(almost)-carbonfootprint form of commuting 36 miles (roundtrip) daily. There's a guy selling a German line out of Portland, OR but I have no way to testride before purchase.
     
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    18 each way is a good commute distance, taking about and hour and a half pedelling.
    Without the motor, you'd need about 15 rides to settle in on the distance.
    I'd consider checking traffic laws in your area also, as here, you cannot ride on the sidewalk with mechanical powered bikes. Also, you might be subject to stringent enforcement of all the traffic rules in your area.
     
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    I ride a 1999 Marin Rift Zone mountain bike. I used to ride several times a week. I got married and that changed to once or twice a month. Had kids and that changed to a couple of times a year.

    Now I am 45 and beginning to hit the trails again. The only two problems are that my fearlessness is gone, and although I remember how to ride, my body won't do what I want it to.

    I have begun to ride to work and enjoy that greatly. I have to keep shoes at work since I don't have actual pedals.
     
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    I have seen the Trek electric bikes - quite neat and reliable. They are very fast and for most folks, they have to tone down the acceleration from the start. They are not cheap and are quite heavy, so don't expect to carry them up any stairways.

    If you don't have much in hills for your commute, I think you'd be better off without the electric.
     
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    Mortality is closer to your conscious brain as you get older. Try a backpack.
    Get different pedals.
     
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    I rode 16 miles today, I'm sure ill ride tomorrow too. I've been getting neck pain lately, hopefully I can find a way to resolve this.
     
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    Neck and shoulder pain is usually caused by having to reach too far. You need either a shorter stem to shorten the reach (from saddle to handlebar) and/or a stem with a higher angle to raise the bars (too much difference between saddle height and handlebar height causing you to lean forward too much).
     
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    Carbon-tipped forks on a commuter hybrid...do they really quiet the vibration for a 35-mile ride daily?
     
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    Vibration, maybe. Impact and shock, less so. Carbon is only good for it's lightweight, not much else.
    17 miles each way is a good commute, and will require some practice to get used to it. More important than composition of the forks is to get a good, stable riding position that your body can handle. Note... Tour riders ride with their seats FOUR inches higher than their handlebars. You and I cannot ride with that setup without breaking our necks.
    Use big tires, lower than max air pressures.
     
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    I personally prefer steel. It justs absorbs the shock better. Of course I am leaving winter parks brick roads before I hit the smooth trails.
     
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    Completely agree with the bolded part.
     
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    Carbon forks are really intended to reduce weight. Carbon does absorb shock well but overall bike design is important too. Aluminum is a fairly soft material (think soda can) that can be made into a very compliant bike (like the olf Alan and Vitus bikes) as well as super stiff (old Cannondale race bikes).

    The best way to minimize road shock is wider tires (700x28 to 700x32 is ideal for commuting) at low pressure, handlebar tape and padded gloves & shorts.

    My personal favorite tires for commuting & touring are Rivendell Rolly Polys and Ruffy Tuffys (they're made by Panaracer for Rivendell). They are relatively lightweight, good road grip and supple ride. Andy Hampsten, former top US racer, uses these on his bike for which he leads cycling tours in Tuscany. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t104.htm
     
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    Weight seems a real problem with all steel bikes. The lightest I can afford, in the $1,200 range, weigh in right at 23 lbs for a 56cm frame. My CannondaleCaad8-6 weights right at 20.2lbs. 2. something lbs. might not matter much for riding in the flats, but it's huge where climbing is a constant factor, and most double chain ring guys are using granny gear most of the climbs, even the racers.
    I like steel, use it on my mountain bike, but the road is another story. Cushy grip tape, standing up just off the seat, relaxed arms, more resilent wheels, and slightly lower pressures on my 700x23 tires sorta helps somewhat.
     
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    My steel bike weighs 18 pounds because I converted it to a fixed gear.

    It is now a relatively inexpensive, but high quality steelFuji frame from the early 80s.
     
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    I'll stick with my triple chainrings, headlight, taillight, 2 water bottle cages, heavy SPD pedals, tool sack, and heavy, sturdy tires for my needs.
     
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    I just finished rode biking 29 miles. It was a nice, scenic route where I passed through corn fields, a county forest, farms, streams, and I was chased by a dog too. It was a small dog, I'm not sure of the breed. My neck is still bothering me, I did raise the handlebars a little before riding and it still hurt after I finished.
     
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    That neck will hurt until you have finished at least 30 rides that distance, at which point you learn to stretch and adjust while riding, your muscles get stronger, and you start to worry about your butt and other things.
     
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    I went on a 16 mile ride today and my neck actually felt better today. I felt like I wasn't getting enough power from my legs so I raised the seat just a tad and for whatever reason I felt better. I decided to take a new route and I went through this area where it had a nice creek and waterfall, I had to stop and take a picture of it. It was a nice, scenic route, with a bunch of farms, and most importantly very little traffic. It's funny when I ride by farms, horses rarely ever stare at me, when I try to get their attention, they don't care but cows do. I went by a farm and every single cow, around 20 of them stared at me.
     
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    You DO know that when seated, you are not supposed the reach the ground on both sides, right?
    When seated, and right pedal is aligned with the seat tube, your right foot should be close to a level position.
    And you do know, horses are smarter than cows, so they don't bother looking at you, knowing you are not threat. A cow can't figure out what you are.
     
  32. vive le beau jeu !

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    Record for fastest 100km by a centenarian

    impressive stuff...
    from: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...nd-sets-new-100-kilometer-speed-record_240211

    guys, let's keep biking ! ;)
     
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    I just finished road biking 35 miles through Panther Lake, it was a fun, scenic route. I rode through a bunch of corn fields, farms, a lake, pond, leaves changing color, saw a fox, a beaver in Panther Lake and took a few pictures of the lake including the beaver. I was chased by a few dogs including 5 puppies. Overall it was a nice ride and the second time doing this route.
     
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    I've really upped my cycling in the past couple of years. 10 miles each way commuting. I've run out of knee cartilage so it is a good non impact sport.
     
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    please share the beaver with us ! ;)
     
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    Strange how I can't run, can't jog, my knee snaps when I walk (limp around), yet when riding the bikes, I can go close to 40 miles training once every two weeks, and everything seems just fine. My butt hurts (even with the best riding pants), my neck hurts, and my triceps hurt, but the legs only get tired normally.
     
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    Cycling is low impact on the legs and is often the first part of rehab from knee surgery. If your knees do hurt (tendonitis), the rule is:

    -- if the pain is in the front kneecap, you're seat is too low
    -- if the pain is in the back of the knee, you're seat is too high.

    As for your other body parts, it sounds like you are too stretched out on your bike: (1) either seat height vs handlebar height is too great a disparity; and/or (2) handlebars are too far away.

    As for your tush, you might need to try a different seat. Initially it will hurt until you ride regularly. But there is no best seat - one man's pleasure is another man's pain -- and is a bit of trial and error. Also, some seats feel great until you get into long rides (40+ miles). Some bike shops have demo models to try on your bike - Specialized dealers used to have such a program but I don't know if they still do. Once you find a saddle that works, I have always bought extras to use on all my bikes (I've got 8) and in case they break and become discontinued (they invariably do).

    FWIW, I've ridden (and formerly raced at amateur level) road bikes for over 25 years.
     
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    I appreciate your advice.
    My bike is '11 CannondaleCaad8-6, size 56, and I'm 5'11" in height.
    Caad8 is a rec easy rider, with handlebars about 1.5" below the seat. Toptube length is normal, but stem is close to 4", a little more than what I've used in 4 previous road bikes.
    I"m 63 years old. Have tons of shoulder injuries in the past. My triceps hurt until I start riding later in the season, like more than once every 2 weeks.
    Neck, my bad. I surfed shortboards for 25 years, and 20 years ago, after I stopped surfing, I already had neck problems.
    Butt. Stock seat, slight recess in the middle, fine if I ride more than once every 2 weeks.
    G/f is an ex Cat111 rider (7 years ago), who can still ride metric centuries in under 4 hours, training once a week for 40 miles. Me, I ain't riding on no rainy day with 30 mph crosswinds.
     
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    Planned on doing a 23 mile ride today, but stomach ache and other things derailed the plan. Still put in 17 or so, but boy did I suffer. I dunno if it was not riding for a few days, or the fact that I forgot about the one hill added on, but it was not fun for about 10 minutes :(
     
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    Did the GW Bridge down to Times Square run, that is a nice ride.
     
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    So you're in the BigApplie, but residence in Fl?
    Don't think I'd ever ride a bike thru NYC traffic, but you're braver than me.
    Assuming GW is WashingtonBridge?
     
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    The frame is the right size for you (I'm the same size and ride 56/57cm bikes). You may need to change the stem to something shorter and with more angle to raise the bars closer to your saddle height. From what it sounds like, your previous injuries preclude putting much weight on them. It would be interesting to see your position on the bike (got a pic?).
     
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    Back is about 45 degrees, much higher than any of my other road bikes, and a little higher than my mountain bikes. I've always had road bikes where the seats are 3" higher than the bars. Now barely 1.5" and the hoods are only .5" lower than the bars, almost a recreational touring bike setup.
    CaaD8 is a detuned road race bike, has a longer steering tube, for an upright riding stance.
    I'm just old and injured. I cannot raise my left hand over my head. Try that physical condition playing tennis.
     
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    Do you ride your other road bikes? And if you do, do you experience the same issues? In your earlier post, you said that the C'dale is a bit longer. Can you replicate the fit of your other bikes (if they don't cause any problems)? You'd be surprised how little differences (1 cm) can make a big difference in comfort/pain. If you think about it like shoes, if they were a little tight, they don't bother you walking a block or two. But if you had to walk 5 miles in those shoes, you'd suffer. Similarly with the bike and 25 miles.

    Fitting your bike takes time. Professional fitters can help can you to the right point but sometimes further adjustments are needed. Your position will evolve as you get more "bike" fitness and flexibility. A lot of racers start the spring season with their handlebars slightly higher as they are less flexible from the off-season, and lower the height as the season progresses.
     
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    Problem here is that summer is my off season for tennis and bike riding. The season for tennis and biking is Nov thru April, for me. Windsurfing takes precedence over everything right now.
    I"m riding a 38 miler once every 2-3 weeks, with no riding in between. NONE.
    Once I get a dozen rides in, even the tricep pain starts to go away.
    And yes, the other bikes with lower bars hurts both my neck and triceps much more, as my torso is leaning much farther forwards.
    Mountain rides, even though the bars a lower, I'm standing more peddling and downhill, and rides are usually 2/3's as long in distance and time.
     
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    I just noticed this thread, and have read a few posts, and will read more when not at work.
    I love the ride home on a summer afternoon after a hard tennis match. It is only 4-5 miles but is a good cool down.
    Any recumbent riders here?
     

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