Biomimetic Max 200G

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  1. Shangri La

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    Based on the unstrung specs, these strung measurements are pretty spot on. Unless it has a huge sw that makes it not very maneuverable.

    Where did you get the sw number from ?
     
  2. JGads

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    The Dunlop rep, who checked with his boss in NY to confirm.
     
  3. Deuces Wild

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    I was a bit surprised too regarding how little the Volkl leather grip added in weight. Thanks for the tips on the lead weight. I have to add some lead to my shopping cart the next time I have a TW shipment. I'm all out.
     
  4. HenryS12

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    I have a feeling this is a Biomimetic 300 with a leather grip. If so, they could've made it in the 16x18 pattern, more open, around 11.6 or 7 oz with about 6 or 7 pts HL like the original AG300 16x18. But I'll still demo it when it becomes available.
     
  5. max200G

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    The original Dunlop Aerogel 300 was not 11.6 oz and it was not 6 or 7 pts HL.
    Also the Biomimetci Max200G has the same open string pattern 16X19 as
    the original AG 300

    Specification for the Aerogel 300 are :

    Strung Weight: 10.9oz / 309g
    Balance: 4pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 316
    Stiffness: 61
    Beam Width: 21.5 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: Graphite Multifilament / Aerogel
    Power Level: Low-Medium
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Hydramax Tour
    String Pattern:
    16 Mains / 19 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,8H
    One Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 55-65 pounds
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCDUNLOP-DAG300.html
     
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  6. Agent Orynge

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    I think it's open enough as it is, since the frame is very spin friendly. A lot of that could also be the stiffness, because the frame definitely feels like it's in the mid 60s, as opposed to several of Dunlop's other offerings that specced out similarly. It has a crisp feel, but is by no means jarring - and I've been known to have a sensitive arm.
     
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  7. Agent Orynge

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    Like I mentioned before, it feels substantial when you pick it up, but it is not so weighty as to be unmaneuverable. It swings very cleanly through the contact zone, also without being so light as to mess up my timing (since I am accustomed to heavier sticks). I don't foresee many people opting to put lead in the hoop, unless they have a really hard time generating pace - which might be their own failing more than the frame. However, I could see people putting weight in the handle to raise the swingweight, for those who are looking for more of a player's racquet experience, but then you begin to defeat the whole purpose of this frame. If you want 12 ounces of graphite, look elsewhere. That having been said, I had no problem with hitting deep into the back half of the court. So far as weight/balance/SW are concerned, I think they succeeded at creating a viable, if not ideal, midrange option here.
     
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  8. Agent Orynge

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    The stability is good, and I didn't find the racquet torquing much in my hand on off-center shots. I agree with J, the sweet spot size seems average for a 98" frame.
     
  9. Shangri La

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    Sounds very tempting. How did the control work for you? JGads seems to have struggled with it.. Thanks.
     
  10. Agent Orynge

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    I had no problem keeping the ball in the court, to be honest. Had mine strung with the Dunlop Silk that came with the frame, 58/55. I find it to be a very medium powered frame (which I must admit, does sort of undermine the "200" moniker), due to the stiffness and relatively head-heavy balance. Also, the stringbed response seems to me to be very immediate; that is to say, I didn't sense a whole lot of dwell time.

    You guys have to bear in mind that these are my impressions after just a few hours of hitting. I will have to stick it out a few more weeks to make a more concrete assessment of the frame.
     
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  11. ToneDaBass

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    I picked up a pamphlet when I was at IW:
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  12. Hidious

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    Holy **** thanks for that! This frame looks and sounds (spec-wise) amazing!
     
  13. KFwinds

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    Man, this frame is sounding more and more like the "Grail" I've been waiting for. I'll definitely be putting some lead in the handle, as I did on my Maxplys. Although this one looks like it has a slightly lower swingweight which will help - if I add enough weight on my Maxply to really get the balance I want, the swingweight gets a little out of my comfort zone.

    Very excited about this...
     
  14. li0scc0

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    Did you hit with it? DIdn't think it was bad at all, granted this was modified to 12 ounces to my typical spec. Stiff but not jarring, a lot like a friendlier K6.1
     
  15. tom4ny

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    now seeing the dunlop published specs and power wheel i have to agree that it is the bio 300 with new paint job and leather grip but it may have some more mass in the head than the regular 300.

    i like the bio 300 fine but prefer the feel of the 300T. i do not think that now will be getting one of these maxply's but if it helps sell the bio line i am for it.
     
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    I just wish dunlop will finally release Amelie Mauresmo's racket to the public already, that would be something worth buying dozens of.
     
  17. li0scc0

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    Sadly, that is probably all they would sell of it...a few dozen. :(
     
  18. gavna

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    It's for sale already at the Sony Ericsson - they only had 1/4 and 3/8 on the rack and said the 1/2 and 5/8 would be there by mid week.
     
  19. Azzurri

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    no doubt. seen some guys play awesome tennis with crap racquets (according to us racquet experts.:mrgreen:)
     
  20. bluetrain4

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    very tempted, but still seems a little light at around 11.5 oz strung, though it appears a little less headlight than most 200s, so SW could be fine. Was hoping for 11.7-11.9 oz strung.
     
  21. asekaran

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    Looks like a great frame. I really liked the Maxply McEnroe graphite. Can't wait to try this one out.
     
  22. biciomac

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    when will it release?
     
  23. Anton

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    Yey! Another bio 300 with an ugly paintjob and a leather grip.

    Choice is good I guess.
     
  24. hoodjem

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    FINALLY!

    A Dunlop 98 16 x 19, with some weight!
     
  25. asekaran

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    Aren't they supposed to go on sale soon? I heard people were getting them at Indian Wells and Miami tournaments.
     
  26. KFwinds

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    IT'S HERE! Just ordered mine :)
     
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    this is why i told my mom to hide my credit card lol. cant wait to read the reviews.
     
  28. SteveI

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    The SW seems low for the rest of the specs (I think it is about 325)... I am thinking it does not swing that easy. Also.. pretty sure I can lead my AG 300s to have the same specs. Hummmm... nothing new here.. another money grab. Let the reviews flow in...
     
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  29. SteveI

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    Hummmm.. have to go with you on this one. Maybe the higher RA will be an improvement?
     
  30. DevilDog

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    Thick paint, beam width is up to 22mm
     
  31. vsbabolat

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    Dunlop is shamelessly playing on the huge success they had in the past. But this new racquet will play nothing like the real Max200G. The only thing they have in common is the black, green, and gold paint.
    [​IMG]
    Can you see the real me?
    I would like to see Dunlop bring back Injection Molding. Surely now with modern materials they could successfully bring out a 95sqinch frame that will not be too heavy. They did try with the Max800i and Max500i but those were to heavy and did not have the strength for the larger headsize.
     
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  32. bluetrain4

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    It's very tempting for me, as someone who used a lot of 200 series frames (Revelation, Hot Melt, M-Fil, Aerogel, Aerogel 4D) to buy this frame, even though the aren't classic 200 series specs. I didn't like the regular Bio 200, and the specs of the Bio Max 200g look like they could be great (though I've played many frames with similar specs and specs are no guarantee).

    So, it's really the specs and the fact that I generally like Dunlop what is attracting me. Though I'm in my late 30s and played with a 200g derivative in high school (the Max 300i), which I loved, the fact that this is a "Max 200g" means little to me. I guess it's good marketing, but I don't see a lot of players falling for it. There's an entire generation of players who are familiar with the original Max 200g who know that this is nothing like that frame. Then, there are a ton of players who don't know the Max 200g or only know it as a dinosaur frame that "old" people used.

    At first, I thought I'd definitely buy it, without even demoing it. But, now I'll wait and demo it. The specs are really nice looking, but really not that special. With the Bio 200 Plus, the Bio 200 Lite, and the Bio 300 Tour, this frame seems completely unnecessary. I guess it's a combination of the 3 - larger head of the Plus, more open string pattern of the Lite, the same mold as the 300 Tour, more weight than the 300 Tour. I guess it's supposed to be the most powerful since it's stiffness rating is the highest and it's the heaviest of the aforementioned frames (but not heavier than the regular 200).

    But, being a Dunlop enthusiast, I'll definitely want to try it eventually.
     
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    Got to swing one of these about a month and a half ago. The stick itself is absolutely beautiful: I love the paintjob. Unfortunately, it swings like a club. Good plow-through at the sacrifice of feeling sluggish. I wish I could have played it at 50 with a softer poly... could have been a beast.

    Unfortunately, I don't see a huge market for this frame. It's a nice stick, sure, but I'm afraid it's going to pick up KPS88 status :(
     
  35. Herdsman76

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    I look at it this way, just like my 2012 Challenger is different from my old 1974 Challenger, it's the appearance that has my attention. Of course I would have liked to see the same green striped graphics like on the 80's 200g's but this one still looks cool. Will I play with it? Probably not but I'm sure I'll end up buying one or two just for nostalgia sake.

    Cheers!

    H76
     
  36. li0scc0

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    I saw the specs, and very disappointed. 5 points headlight with a SW under 320? If it were 8 points at that weight and swingweight, I would have already ordered 2. But not at 5 points.
     
  37. Anton

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    300 tour is 20mm, Max is 22mm, so it's not the same mold
     
  38. KFwinds

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    Adjusting the balance a few points is an easy fix. You can even do it without lead -
     
  39. alidisperanza

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    Precisely
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  40. rlau

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    Really? Its static weight and swing weight aren't that high, according to TW's specs.
     
  41. L4RZ

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    I dont get it, why 98sq and why 65RA? The original had like ~40RA and <90sq. It's closer to a babolat canon then anything else.
     
  42. vsbabolat

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    It's not the same MOLD as the 300 Tour. It's the same mold as the regular 300.
     
  43. DevilDog

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    Wrong

    10char
     
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    Never challenge vsbabolat.
     
  45. DevilDog

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    Whatever.
    Anyway, to produce a racquet from the same mold with a different beam thickness would require magic.
     
  46. bluetrain4

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    My mistake.
     
  47. eleventeenth street

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    sorry, but you're wrong, at least in terms of the beam thickness. as to whether the new max 200g and bio 300 are the same mold, vsbabolat is always a pretty reputable source of knowledge so i defer to him.

    but the official beam thickness of the bio max 200g is 21 mm, just like the biomimetic 300. every other site that carries it lists a 21 mm straight beam except TW, including a member of this board that purchased one early at indian wells.

    TW''s listed beam width is 22 mm because they conduct their own measurements and list the average of several racquets which is why many of their posted specs differ from other online stores and manufacturer's listed specs. check TW's beam widths for the yonex vcore line, then check the yonex site. all different
     
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  48. OriginalHockeytowner

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    I love the cosmetic of this new 200G, but I think the 4D 200 will be a better fit for me, spec-wise. Absolutely gorgeous, though!
     
  49. alidisperanza

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    Yup... Pick one up and it tells a different story. Dunno, just my personal .02
     
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    OMG the new challenger is just horrible... do you own an H2 with chrome 22's also??? how could anyone with taste and a brain buy a new crapslyer product??? (oh wait I guess that question answers it self..)

    Blahhhh!

    as for the frame im quite interested, sound like what Mcenroe would play with, id love to see some Touring pro playing with it!
     

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